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10/13/2005 4:20:08 AM EDT
Ok tin foil hat on real tight.

I just got a shot gun news ( I usually pick them up every month or two) Anyway I see something I haven't noticed before.

They had full aut0 drop in sears for your ar15. ( Which I don't have anyway ). Now I know all about the NFA laws and these seem to be in violation of it. Is this a setup to get you arrested or are they legit? To me it screams scam at best, or 30 years in club fed at the worst. So what is the scoop?

10/13/2005 4:29:49 AM EDT
[#1]
How do you think folks go about aquiring full-auto weapons?

Ya fill out your BATF forms, receive approval to purchase a auto-sear or lightnening link and pay the tax.

Any other non-legal method and your somebody's butt buddy for about 10 years.....


Mike
10/13/2005 4:45:52 AM EDT
[#2]
I realy don't have much interest in FA other than the cool factor. Just too expensive. I am just curious about the add if it was legit or not. To me it looks like a scam just wondering what the 411 was on these things.
10/13/2005 4:50:24 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
How do you think folks go about aquiring full-auto weapons?

Ya fill out your BATF forms, receive approval to purchase a auto-sear or lightnening link and pay the tax.

Any other non-legal method and your somebody's butt buddy for about 10 years.....


Mike



You CANNOT buy a new lightning link or autosear!

You have to buy one that was registered before the '86 deadline.
10/13/2005 5:18:41 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

You CANNOT buy a new lightning link or autosear!

You have to buy one that was registered before the '86 deadline.






You should talk to NFA_Investments, local boy, who makes them and sells them then.

Mike
10/13/2005 6:29:30 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You CANNOT buy a new lightning link or autosear!

You have to buy one that was registered before the '86 deadline.






You should talk to NFA_Investments, local boy, who makes them and sells them then.

Mike


Is his name Melbo?

Remember guys, we have an excellent Legal forum here.  I think you can boy or own one as long as you don't own or have an AR in the house.  If you do it becomes intent to make a full auto just by having the gun and autosear in your posession.

To each his own on this one.  I prefer not to see them around me.
10/13/2005 6:34:11 AM EDT
[#6]
I heard that the add you are refuring to is a sting by ATF. Note that they only take one form of payment and that add has been running for many years unchanged. I don't think that the supply of registerd auto parts are unlimited.
My gut tells me no friggen way.
10/13/2005 6:57:10 AM EDT
[#7]
I saw that add-It's a new one.The same old one from J.A.M. is still in there too.

I would never in a million years order one of those-has set-up written all over it to me.

Supposedly they are the older "safety sears" and are legal to own.

Full auto was fun when Uncle Sugar was supplying ammo,but I really don't see the need for it.

10/13/2005 7:01:56 AM EDT
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10/13/2005 7:05:30 AM EDT
[#9]
my rule of thought is, that if it sounds too good to be true, then its a scam,
besides the companies ancronym is J.A.M., which is what somebodys gonna
be doing with their dick in your ass for a very long time if you happen to buy
a dias from them.
10/20/2005 2:32:12 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
my rule of thought is, that if it sounds too good to be true, then its a scam,
besides the companies ancronym is J.A.M., which is what somebodys gonna
be doing with their dick in your ass
for a very long time if you happen to buy
a dias from them.


10/20/2005 5:59:25 AM EDT
[#11]
www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jim_jeffries/jim3.txt

The fact that two physically identical autosears can have a
different legal identity has given rise to a very dangerous
situation in the Title II firearms community.  Possessing an
unregistered post-November 1981 autosear is possession of an
unregistered machinegun.  Possession of a pre-November 1981
autosear is simply possession of a 15 piece of steel unless you
also possess an AR-15 with M16 parts.  Then you are also in
possession of an unregistered machinegun.

In short, the only AR-15 autosears worth $120 are those which
were registered with BATF before the May 19, 1986, ban on further
production of privately owned machineguns (18 U.S.C. section
922(o)).  Any other autosears are not only worthless commercially,
but will constitute possession of an unregistered machinegun if
found (by a jury) to have been manufactured after November 1, 1981.
Assuming you had no incriminating AR-15 with the tell-tale M16
parts, how would you prove your autosear was one of the
pre-November 1981 curiosities?  By a "letter of authentication"
supplied by a merchant engaged in a patently illegal solicitation?
Right.  I am unaware of any forensic test which can establish that
the date of production of an autosear was prior to November of
1981.  But a BATF toolmark examiner could easily establish that it
was milled on a specific machine which did not exist in 1981.  Keep
in mind also that even if you had irrefutable proof of the pre-1981
provenance of your sear, the only thing that keeps it from being an
unregistered machinegun is a unilateral (and not very logical) 1981
ruling by BATF which it could revoke tomorrow.  In other words, you
are not legally protected by a statute or a Treasury Regulation,
but rather by an internal ruling by BATF which does not have the
force of law and which can be changed in a heartbeat.
10/21/2005 1:57:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Keep in mind that was probably written before 1986.

Anyhow, for all useful purposes, the drop in sears for $275 are useless unless you like cufflinks.  One that can legally make your rifle go FA will run 30 times that price.