Posted: 1/31/2012 12:02:54 AM EDT
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I was wondering about selling an Ar15 after i built it myself. What uppers, lowers, lpk's and other things would sell the best. What brands would you suggest as a rifle that would sell better. Would a better lower with a general upper go for a better price or are people looking for a upper that is name brands compared to all mil spec lowers.
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| You are gonna lose money no matter what parts you use. If you are looking to have an AR for awhile then sell it...buy a Colt or other name brand. A factory built weapon will sell better and for more that a rifle cobbled together from a bunch of unknown spec parts assembled by some redneck in a garage. Thats not to say thats you, but thats the way I look at homebuilt rifles. A factory build still has a warranty as well. The parts generally sell better than the whole. |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... |
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You are gonna lose money no matter what parts you use. If you are looking to have an AR for awhile then sell it...buy a Colt or other name brand. A factory built weapon will sell better and for more that a rifle cobbled together from a bunch of unknown spec parts assembled by some redneck in a garage. Thats not to say thats you, but thats the way I look at homebuilt rifles. A factory build still has a warranty as well. The parts generally sell better than the whole. this.^ |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? That's the key. It would be perfectly legal to do that. However, buying all the parts to build lowers for the sole purpose of paying his morgage can be considered manufacturing. |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? NO, that person can't pay the FET because they are not a licensed manufacturer. Only licensed manufacturers can assemble from parts, then register and sell a complete firearm. If anyone else wants to sell a rifle they assembled, they need to at least break it into 2 pieces first, and let the buyer do the final assembly. This isnt usually an issue, until guys at gun shows assemble complete lowers, and complete uppers into rifles and sell them complete... |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? That's the key. It would be perfectly legal to do that. However, buying all the parts to build lowers for the sole purpose of paying his morgage can be considered manufacturing. Wrong. Only licensed manufacturers can assemble and sell complete rifles. |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? That's the key. It would be perfectly legal to do that. However, buying all the parts to build lowers for the sole purpose of paying his morgage can be considered manufacturing. OK, Gotcha, but the intent part would be hard to prove especially if a build and sell time frame were many months apart. One or two sales could be justified but multiple sales would definately raise a red flag. |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? That's the key. It would be perfectly legal to do that. However, buying all the parts to build lowers for the sole purpose of paying his morgage can be considered manufacturing. Wrong. Only licensed manufacturers can assemble and sell complete rifles. So If I build a rifle and shoot the thing then sell it a year later to pay for my kids braces I could end up in FED prison? |
| NO... You can sell your rifle at anytime you want, You think you can make money and put together a AR you can sell it, you want to have a website and advertise as a custom rifle shop etc etc.. Thats a different story.. There is no difference from me buying a Stag Model 2 and I put on a Timney Trigger, samson Forend, etc and I sell it for more cause its custom as long as we fill out the right paperwork there is no issue with selling it at all... |
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illegal to buy with the intent to sell. Of course, intent is one hell of a hard thing to prove. No its very easy to prove. The ATF agent looks up the SN, and if it was sold as a stripped receiver, and the FET was never paid by a manufacturer as a complete rifle = case closed. Odds are no one will ever check, but its a chance you take.... So if I understand this correctly, If a person wants to sell his AR to make the mortgage payment, he can't unless he pays the FET? That's the key. It would be perfectly legal to do that. However, buying all the parts to build lowers for the sole purpose of paying his morgage can be considered manufacturing. Wrong. Only licensed manufacturers can assemble and sell complete rifles. So If I build a rifle and shoot the thing then sell it a year later to pay for my kids braces I could end up in FED prison? unlikely, but yes. |
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So If I build a rifle and shoot the thing then sell it a year later to pay for my kids braces I could end up in FED prison? Not likely. If you read the OP it sounds like he is asking about which components to purchase for the specific purpose of making a rifle more desirable for a buyer. To me that implies he's building specifically to sell, which requires an 07 or 10 FFL. <–– 07/C2 (Do we tell him about ITAR yet?  )
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| It was not a looking to just build a gun then sell it to make a profit. I was at work a guy came in looking for ammo and we got onto the topic of AR's. He was saying that the guys at the gun store were saying that a high quality lower would sell a gun better. I am not looking to get time in a FED jail. Thanks for all the feed back and being worried about my behalf. |
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No serial number to start with you really are not the Manufacturer, whoever made the lower and put the Numbers on it is. The lower is the only part of an AR That must pass through the hands of an FFL, that is the part That is a firearm and if you want to take your new firearm That you just bought and add stuff to increase it's value And someone wants to buy it... what is illegal about that? |
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Unless someone builds an AR on a 80% receiver with No serial number to start with you really are not the Manufacturer, whoever made the lower and put the Numbers on it is. The lower is the only part of an AR That must pass through the hands of an FFL, that is the part That is a firearm and if you want to take your new firearm That you just bought and add stuff to increase it's value And someone wants to buy it... what is illegal about that? Only licensed manufacturers can assemble a complete firearm(FET paid) and sell it......what's so hard to understand about that? |
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Unless someone builds an AR on a 80% receiver with No serial number to start with you really are not the Manufacturer, whoever made the lower and put the Numbers on it is. The lower is the only part of an AR That must pass through the hands of an FFL, that is the part That is a firearm and if you want to take your new firearm That you just bought and add stuff to increase it's value And someone wants to buy it... what is illegal about that? Only licensed manufacturers can assemble a complete firearm(FET paid) and sell it......what's so hard to understand about that? I guess I just don't see myself as the manufacturer since I didn't Make the part that holds the serial numbers unless I am building an SBR or a supressor on a form 1 but it would not be the first time my logic has run contrary to what the law states. |