[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Premier Reticles (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/3/2010 10:57:56 AM EDT
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It seems there is some info going around the industry about the possible demise of this company.
I'm editing this as the company is saying it was just a disgruntled employee. I hope Premier Reticles stays in the game for a very long time. |
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Source? How can they be rolling out new products at shot one week and going under the next? thats exactly what I was thinking. I remember seeing a few of their optics in SHOT pictures. At their prices however only a select few outside gov probably own them |
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Source? How can they be rolling out new products at shot one week and going under the next? thats exactly what I was thinking. I remember seeing a few of their optics in SHOT pictures. At their prices however only a select few outside gov probably own them I own two 5-25 PHs. I know quite a few folks with 3-15s and 5-25s. This post reaks of gun counter bullshit. |
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I just called the company and spoke with Chris.
He says they're still in business. Website's up, phones are still connected. Chris mentioned he's had to let a few people go in the past few months, but the company is still in business. p.s. OP you scared the shit out of me I was in the middle of placing an order. |
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I just called the company and spoke with Chris. He says they're still in business. Website's up, phones are still connected. Chris mentioned he's had to let a few people go in the past few months, but the company is still in business. p.s. OP you scared the shit out of me I was in the middle of placing an order. How would like to be in the office,working,minding your own and out of the blue people start calling you to ask if your still in business 
The next phone call I made would be an ad agency |
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I think they stepped on their dick when they stopped putting USMC mil-dots in 3rd party scopes. I know it's not enough to really hurt business but they lost some prestige in the community. You realize Leupold stopped this practice by using the courts, don't you? |
| This rumor as been floating around for a couple of months now, and seams to have continually been debunked. I am interested in seeing what specific information this claim is being based upon, or if it is simply an extension of the internet conjecture that has continually been put forward. Again, I am not doubting your claim, but looking for a bit more than was put forth in your initial post. |
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Premier Reticles, who had just received a USMC contract for sniper scopes to replace the current issue Schmidt&Benders is going out of business. From what I was told it was due to financial problems. So the economy has claimed another company right after Charles Daly/KBI went under. It will be interesting to see what happens to the USMC contract. S&B was working with Premier so that pretty much leaves USO and Hensoldt to pick up the ball. What is your source, Sir? If not ironclad, this post should be deleted, immediately and you should be banned. |
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I think they stepped on their dick when they stopped putting USMC mil-dots in 3rd party scopes. I know it's not enough to really hurt business but they lost some prestige in the community. I disagree completely. Since the change in business from only doing reticle 3 years ago (maybe longer?)they have released two new optics that are in the same level of quality as schmidt and bender. They also have a third, shirt-dot style, optic they showed at shot that I was also impressed with. The loss of the business relationship with s&b has contributed to the current winning of their 3-15 heritage for the SSDS contract. If anything since 2006 S&B has lost sone prestiege in the community. Espicially with the tactical bolt gun crowd, who I see transitioning back to USO and nightforce optics. Leupold will probably make a small comeback in the coming year with their new .1mrad turrets finally getting put into the prooven reliable mk4 series. |
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Premier Reticles, who had just received a USMC contract for sniper scopes to replace the current issue Schmidt&Benders is going out of business. From what I was told it was due to financial problems. So the economy has claimed another company right after Charles Daly/KBI went under. It will be interesting to see what happens to the USMC contract. S&B was working with Premier so that pretty much leaves USO and Hensoldt to pick up the ball. What is your source, Sir? If not ironclad, this post should be deleted, immediately and you should be banned. If it was an accident then these things happen. He will fix it. The OP has a lot of credibility around here. |
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Premier Reticles, who had just received a USMC contract for sniper scopes to replace the current issue Schmidt&Benders is going out of business. From what I was told it was due to financial problems. So the economy has claimed another company right after Charles Daly/KBI went under. It will be interesting to see what happens to the USMC contract. S&B was working with Premier so that pretty much leaves USO and Hensoldt to pick up the ball. What is your source, Sir? If not ironclad, this post should be deleted, immediately and you should be banned. If it was an accident then these things happen. He will fix it. The OP has a lot of credibility around here. I agree. That's why a verifiable source is so important. Especially for him. It sounds like the people working there don't even know. Have some decency, for fuck's sake. |
You don't say! Although as a Canadian I probably couldn't get one Quoted: i don't know but i'll take a surplus schmidt and bender on the cheap! Quoted: Why is the USMC replacing the newly bought S&Bs?  And what's the story behind Leupold and PR? I heard Leupold gave PR the shaft in a major way. |
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Source? How can they be rolling out new products at shot one week and going under the next? I once saw a company (non-firearms related) go out of business *AT* a tradeshow. They told the staff in the show booth they didn't have jobs any longer. OP: I suggest that you change the thread title or request a lock until this gets sorted out. No company needs their status put in question in this economy. |
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Why is the USMC replacing the newly bought S&Bs?
And what's the story behind Leupold and PR? I heard Leupold gave PR the shaft in a major way. Pr was the service center for s&b when the 2006 ssds co tract was given to them for s&b 4-16x50s. S&b didn't like pr doing reticle changes, fallout from that caused a split and pr wasn't their service center anymore. Pr in 2006 was also the supplier to the usmc for the s&b scope. S&b still does not have a us service center and broken scopes go to Germany. Leupold did not like pr doing reticles and officially voided their warranty for people with them. However, to not shaft the customer they still serviced the scopes. They sued, premier stopped. |
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PR was doing reticle changes on the new out of the box S&Bs before shipping them to the USMC? No. Usmc scopes were supplied per contract afaik. It was civi scopes that people were sending in for different reticles. I don't know what exactly caused the umsc to replace the s&bs.. Could be breakage, warranty repair replacement issues due to no us center, or just that the contract duration expired. |
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I just called the company and spoke with Chris. He says they're still in business. Website's up, phones are still connected. Chris mentioned he's had to let a few people go in the past few months, but the company is still in business. p.s. OP you scared the shit out of me I was in the middle of placing an order. How would like to be in the office,working,minding your own and out of the blue people start calling you to ask if your still in business
"We are, but not for long. You better stock up now... I'll give you 5% off on an order of twenty." 
Or have a big "Not going out of business" sale. |
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Source? How can they be rolling out new products at shot one week and going under the next? I once saw a company (non-firearms related) go out of business *AT* a tradeshow. They told the staff in the show booth they didn't have jobs any longer. OP: I suggest that you change the thread title or request a lock until this gets sorted out. No company needs their status put in question in this economy. Exactly. |
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If it was an accident then these things happen. He will fix it. The OP has a lot of credibility around here. Obviously there are several people in this thread who don't know who the OP is. This. I imagine there's something to this story... Not saying there isn't something to it, but the drive by nature of the post seems a bit odd & lack of ANY source seems a bit odd, as well. edit-Saw the reply & seems to be solid. Another good one down, if true. |
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Geez, Dave, that's a credibility buster if you can't provide a verifiable source.  Their head of their PR department emailed me today. Said he was done and that the company was folding tomorrow. When the head of a dept like that says the company is going under, well you tend to believe it. I hope it is not so, but what I was told by someone inside the company who I've known for years. That's a credible source to me. |
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Geez, Dave, that's a credibility buster if you can't provide a verifiable source. Their head of their PR department emailed me today. Said he was done and that the company was folding tomorrow. When the head of a dept like that says the company is going under, well you tend to believe it. I hope it is not so, but what I was told by someone inside the company who I've known for years. Thanks for posting that. Hope the story isn't true, but it sounds like you got it from a reliable source. Sorry I doubted. |
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PR was doing reticle changes on the new out of the box S&Bs before shipping them to the USMC? No. Usmc scopes were supplied per contract afaik. It was civi scopes that people were sending in for different reticles. I don't know what exactly caused the umsc to replace the s&bs.. Could be breakage, warranty repair replacement issues due to no us center, or just that the contract duration expired. IIRC Premier put the Gen2 reticles in the SSDS after they arrived in the States. I have the commercial version of the SSDS, PM II 3-12x50 Gen2, MRAD, MTC, but not marked "USMC Sniper". |
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Pr was the service center for s&b when the 2006 ssds co tract was given to them for s&b 4-16x50s. S&b didn't like pr doing reticle changes, fallout from that caused a split and pr wasn't their service center anymore. Pr in 2006 was also the supplier to the usmc for the s&b scope. S&b still does not have a us service center and broken scopes go to Germany. [/div] SSDS is 3-12x50 double turn turret, not 4-16x50 |
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I don't understand why S&B can't supply the SSDS without Premier's involvement.
S&B built the scopes. The only thing they needed Premier for was a US base and the Gen2 reticle. S&B has the US office now, and the USMC could come up with a new reticle or use an existing S&B reticle like the P4F. |
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Quoted: I don't understand why S&B can't supply the SSDS without Premier's involvement. S&B built the scopes. The only thing they needed Premier for was a US base and the Gen2 reticle. S&B has the US office now, and the USMC could come up with a new reticle or use an existing S&B reticle like the P4F. S&B has plenty of fine reticles. I believe we gave them the contract to provide and maintain our PMIIs and are using S&Bs reticle. |
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S&B has plenty of fine reticles. I believe we gave them the contract to provide and maintain our PMIIs and are using S&Bs reticle. Right, I know. The SSDS contract specifically stipulated the Premier Gen2 reticle, but since S&B can't use it anymore, new S&Bs delivered to the Corps would have to modify the original contract or make a new one. |
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Source? How can they be rolling out new products at shot one week and going under the next? thats exactly what I was thinking. I remember seeing a few of their optics in SHOT pictures. At their prices however only a select few outside gov probably own them I own two 5-25 PHs. I know quite a few folks with 3-15s and 5-25s. This post reaks of gun counter bullshit. The OP is..um...far above gun counter bullshit. |
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Why is the USMC replacing the newly bought S&Bs?
And what's the story behind Leupold and PR? I heard Leupold gave PR the shaft in a major way. The company in question was replacing the reticles per USMC specifications. S&B didn't supply the reticle the USMC wanted, so a third party was contracted to change them. |