[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Another wrong house raid (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/3/2010 7:36:55 AM EDT
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http://dcist.com/2010/01/dc_police_raided_the_wrong_house.php
How hard is it to to some kind of corroboration? These guys just take the word of a shit-bag as to what doors the should bust down? |
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D.C. Police Raided the Wrong House
D.C. police obtained a warrant to search a house in the Capitol Hill neighborhood last May. They brought a battering ram with them, and started trying to break through the iron bars in the rear of the house. The only problem? The family of the suspect they were investigating hadn't lived there for about 18 months. The current owners of the home, Allyson and David Kitchel, told WJLA/ABC7 all about it. Kitchel explained just days before the raid, a 19-year-old man was arrested on gun charges. "They asked the young man's mother where does he live and she said he lives at what is my house. That wasn't true," stated Kitchel. It wasn't true because Kitchel said she and her husband bought the house from the suspect's family back in 2007. Uh, whoops? And the Kitchels say they are still trying to get the city to pay for the damage to their home. The Office of Risk Management apparently denied their claim because the warrant was "authorized and valid and that MPD officers determined there was sufficient probable cause." Seems like maybe police should have double-checked the claims of this young man's mother before they started breaking down the door though, doesn't it? I wonder if they end up paying for the door... |
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D.C. Police Raided the Wrong House
D.C. police obtained a warrant to search a house in the Capitol Hill neighborhood last May. They brought a battering ram with them, and started trying to break through the iron bars in the rear of the house. The only problem? The family of the suspect they were investigating hadn't lived there for about 18 months. The current owners of the home, Allyson and David Kitchel, told WJLA/ABC7 all about it. Kitchel explained just days before the raid, a 19-year-old man was arrested on gun charges. "They asked the young man's mother where does he live and she said he lives at what is my house. That wasn't true," stated Kitchel. It wasn't true because Kitchel said she and her husband bought the house from the suspect's family back in 2007. Uh, whoops? And the Kitchels say they are still trying to get the city to pay for the damage to their home. The Office of Risk Management apparently denied their claim because the warrant was "authorized and valid and that MPD officers determined there was sufficient probable cause." Seems like maybe police should have double-checked the claims of this young man's mother before they started breaking down the door though, doesn't it? I wonder if they end up paying for the door... Claim denied: http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0110/699598.html |
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How difficult would it be to just check the damned property tax and/or DMV records? Should take all of five minutes. Their warrant application said they were looking for lease and ownership papers along with the usual. So the judge should have realized they didn't do any investigation and he should have denied the warrant. The judge should be tossed out on his ass. |
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At first I just thought, intel error then I realized it said DC or (MPD) police. Pretty much sums it up. I mean if you really look into all the corruption and mishaps that go in within the MPD one has to wonder WTF? Drawing your sidearm at kids that threw a snow ball. Really...........
This is the NATIONS CAPITAL too bad it doesn't look like one. What a shit hole. Having lived near this area for the majority of my life I know DC somewhat well. I have also visited other nations capital cities and DC is pretty far down on the list as far as cleanliness and appeal. 
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It's just funny, by now. The poor ignorant bastards know not what they do & their handlers keep on keepin' on. This will be justified by many here, starting in a few minutes.  I'm sure Dave A will pop in with a "They bought a house from a family of criminals, if they didn't want this happening they shouldn't have moved there" |
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How difficult would it be to just check the damned property tax and/or DMV records? Should take all of five minutes. Their warrant application said they were looking for lease and ownership papers along with the usual. So the judge should have realized they didn't do any investigation and he should have denied the warrant. The judge should be tossed out on his ass. the .gov has no excuse for making mistakes like this when the records are there. It is their fault that they are not organized enough to access the information. |
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How difficult would it be to just check the damned property tax and/or DMV records? Should take all of five minutes. Their warrant application said they were looking for lease and ownership papers along with the usual. So the judge should have realized they didn't do any investigation and he should have denied the warrant. The judge should be tossed out on his ass. the .gov has no excuse for making mistakes like this when the records are there. It is their fault that they are not organized enough to access the information. The police are going to be as zealous AND as lazy as the gate-keeper lets them. The judge's JOB was to keep the police from over reaching. Instead he was a rubber stamp. I would support a law making judges personally liable for the damages resulting from a "wrong house" warrant where a majority of a committee of 7 legal experts agree that the warrant application was flawed or should have been denied. I would support strict liability and penalties on any police officer who presents a warrant application containing false, misleading, or intentionally inaccurate information or omissions of information. |
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D.C. Police Raided the Wrong House
D.C. police obtained a warrant to search a house in the Capitol Hill neighborhood last May. They brought a battering ram with them, and started trying to break through the iron bars in the rear of the house. The only problem? The family of the suspect they were investigating hadn't lived there for about 18 months. The current owners of the home, Allyson and David Kitchel, told WJLA/ABC7 all about it. Kitchel explained just days before the raid, a 19-year-old man was arrested on gun charges. "They asked the young man's mother where does he live and she said he lives at what is my house. That wasn't true," stated Kitchel. It wasn't true because Kitchel said she and her husband bought the house from the suspect's family back in 2007. Uh, whoops? And the Kitchels say they are still trying to get the city to pay for the damage to their home. The Office of Risk Management apparently denied their claim because the warrant was "authorized and valid and that MPD officers determined there was sufficient probable cause." Seems like maybe police should have double-checked the claims of this young man's mother before they started breaking down the door though, doesn't it? I wonder if they end up paying for the door... Claim denied: http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0110/699598.html Phase 2: Killdozer. |
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D.C. Police Raided the Wrong House
D.C. police obtained a warrant to search a house in the Capitol Hill neighborhood last May. They brought a battering ram with them, and started trying to break through the iron bars in the rear of the house. The only problem? The family of the suspect they were investigating hadn't lived there for about 18 months. The current owners of the home, Allyson and David Kitchel, told WJLA/ABC7 all about it. Kitchel explained just days before the raid, a 19-year-old man was arrested on gun charges. "They asked the young man's mother where does he live and she said he lives at what is my house. That wasn't true," stated Kitchel. It wasn't true because Kitchel said she and her husband bought the house from the suspect's family back in 2007. Uh, whoops? And the Kitchels say they are still trying to get the city to pay for the damage to their home. The Office of Risk Management apparently denied their claim because the warrant was "authorized and valid and that MPD officers determined there was sufficient probable cause." Seems like maybe police should have double-checked the claims of this young man's mother before they started breaking down the door though, doesn't it? I wonder if they end up paying for the door... Claim denied: http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0110/699598.html Phase 2: Killdozer. 
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Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... |
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Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... Exactly what I was thinking. |
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Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... The didn't accidentally damage it. They did it on purpose. And a judge told them they could. That's their defense. |
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Practices like this are a great way for innocent people to die. I wonder if it has happened before? 
This is just gross negligence on all the "officials" involved... How can so many preach "responsibility" and never practice it.. I hate to say it but there needs to be a law suit filed and people need to be fired. |
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Practices like this are a great way for innocent people to die. I wonder if it has happened before?
This is just gross negligence on all the "officials" involved... How can so many preach "responsibility" and never practice it.. I hate to say it but there needs to be a law suit filed and people need to be fired. Pfft. Like that will ever happen. |
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Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... The didn't accidentally damage it. They did it on purpose. And a judge told them they could. That's their defense. Got an idea...make the judge pay for damages |
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Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... The didn't accidentally damage it. They did it on purpose. And a judge told them they could. That's their defense. Got an idea...make the judge pay for damages 
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Quoted: Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events...  |
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Quoted: Why the heck isn't the city responsible for 'accidentally' damaged private property? I guarantee you, if I have an accident and it breaks my neighbor's door or window, it doesn't matter if I was well intentioned or had a permit for whatever it was I was doing, I'm liable to fix it. Seems like this type of common sense should apply to government as well. In fact, if the city was liable, it might cut down significantly on the number of "oops, I raided the wrong house" events... I honestly can't understand how anyone can disagree with that line of reasoning... Why is this even a topic of Debate? Government makes a mistake, fucks up your house... they should pay for it! WHO IS SO RETARDED that they would disagree with that? And What JACKASS line of reasoning would excuse that type of irresponsibility? Since I was a kid, I was told "You break it... you buy it". Why doesn't this apply to the government? |
| Nothing against LEO's here, but so theoretically if they have probable cause they can bulldoze my house and I wouldn't be able to get claim from the government? Two separate things here - LEO should have double checked but they can also make a mistake. That is unfortunately unavoidable at some point because they are human too but government denying the claim is a total croak of bullshit. |
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Going back over a decade here, but my dept. (250 sworn) and city's (300K+ population) policy was to send a City crew over to repair doors, jambs, screens, whatever was damaged during entry and search - even if you arrested everybody in the house. Saved a lot of money on claims and bad feelings.
And hell, just my team alone forced entry about twice a day on average, and that didn't include anything patrol or Vice was doing, too. That City repair crew stayed very busy. I'm not getting up the cops' ass too deeply over this, but it appears a little due diligence may have gone a long way in this case. 
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So who is liable in these situations if the wrongly accosted home owner drags out a 450 Bushmaster and smashes the living shit out of the "home invaders" and there are only boneless nuggets left? As a former LEO, I am certainly not a cop basher, but if somebody busts into my house during the wee hours I am likely to respond with overkill until I actually wake up. oh, wait...   |
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Quoted: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1Quoted: Practices like this are a great way for innocent people to die. I wonder if it has happened before? This is just gross negligence on all the "officials" involved... How can so many preach "responsibility" and never practice it.. I hate to say it but there needs to be a law suit filed and people need to be fired. A 61-year-old man was shot to death by police while his wife was handcuffed in another room during a drug raid on the wrong house. Police admitted their mistake, saying faulty information from a drug informant contributed to the death of John Adams Wednesday night. They intended to raid the home next door. The two officers, 25-year-old Kyle Shedran and 24-year-old Greg Day, were placed on administrative leave with pay. “They need to get rid of those men, boys with toys,” said Adams’ 70-year-old widow, Loraine. John Adams was watching television when his wife heard pounding on the door. Police claim they identified themselves and wore police jackets. Loraine Adams said she had no indication the men were police. “I thought it was a home invasion. I said ‘Baby, get your gun!,” she said, sitting amid friends and relatives gathered at her home to cook and prepare for Sunday’s funeral. Resident Fired First Police say her husband fired first with a sawed-off shotgun and they responded. He was shot at least three times and died later at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. Loraine Adams said she was handcuffed and thrown to her knees in another room when the shooting began. |