[ARCHIVED THREAD] - A Clockwork Orange (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/23/2010 3:04:53 PM EDT
Just watched it for the first time. What a fucked up movie. Edit: I'm not an idiot. I understand the movie, and that is exactly why, like I said, it's fucked up. |
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Excellent film....on of the few that followed the novel accurately, minus the last chapter.
I recommend reading the novel by Burgess...as stated, its basically the same story, but you can explore some of the scenes at your own pace...the book fills in some of the blank spaces, the language is easier to understand in context, and also, the last chapter continues the story a bit further. I've been told that the underlying theme was loosely based upon an idea that Burgess had, contemplating what might have happened in England had the revolution been fought there, instead of America....and the rebels won. Essentially it was social commentary about a legacy of violence in the Queens England. Not even sure that is all true, just something I heard many years ago. I try not to get caught up in the politics...its fiction 
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| One of my college roommates totally threw me under the bus over this movie. We had talked about watching it a bunch of times, and finally rented it on a slow night. Then this chick who my roommate wanted to bang comes by and asks what we are watching and my roommate says "We're watching the strange movie that happycynic wanted to watch and this chick gets raped in it and happycynic was totally into that and I didn't want to watch it at all." Thanks asshole. From then on "Clockwork Orange" became a verb for when you threw a buddy under the bus to impress a chick. As in "we ran into these hot chicks and so and so totally clockwork oranged me." |
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Quoted: What makes you think I didn't get it? Hold on let me check my OP where I said I didn't get it...Quoted: Just watched it for the first time. What a fucked up movie. You obviously didn't get it. Watch it again. Dr. Strangelove would probably sail right over you too. |
| The story was about the perils of socialism. It was about the government running everything and running it all amuck.... It was about bureaucratic solutions that become worse than the original problem. Burges was the ani-Orwell and he offered this as an alternative to Orwell’s views on what a socialist state would be like. George Orwell ( 1984/ big brother) feared the tyrannical socialist state, even though he was a proponent of socialism while Burgess was against socialism and thought that it would just become so screwed up and ineffective that people could not tolerate it any more. You know, kinda like Obama care….. |
| I just read the book this year. Love it, just like the movie, but the final chapter does make it a better story. Burgess says in the introduction that he was trying to write a traditional morality story involving the destructive power of youth giving into the order of adulthood, but primarily a novel about moral choice. Also, the odd "nadsat" language was designed to convey pornographic ideas without pornographic language in order to get it by the UK censors. It was a literary experiment of sorts. He didn't particularly like it, thought it was too "preachy" and considers his other works to be better. |
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From then on "Clockwork Orange" became a verb for when you threw a buddy under the bus to impress a chick. As in "we ran into these hot chicks and so and so totally clockwork oranged me." That's actually not a bad interpretation of the title...it fits with the (many) other definitions quite well. |
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CO was a little twisted but it had nothing on Naked Lunch. NL was stream of consciousness... it was supposed to be messed up. CO has a coherent plot and theme... it just does it with very disturbing imagery (which is still disturbing 30 years later.. pretty remarkable) |
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I couldn't leave this thread for the night without quoting one of my all-time favorite movie lines:
He will be your true Christian, ready to turn the other cheek, ready to be crucified rather than crucify, sick to the heart at the thought of killing a fly. Reclamation! Joy before the angels of God! The point is that it works!
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Quoted: The story was about the perils of socialism. It was about the government running everything and running it all amuck.... It was about bureaucratic solutions that become worse than the original problem. Burges was the ani-Orwell and he offered this as an alternative to Orwell’s views on what a socialist state would be like. George Orwell ( 1984/ big brother) feared the tyrannical socialist state, even though he was a proponent of socialism while Burgess was against socialism and thought that it would just become so screwed up and ineffective that people could not tolerate it any more. You know, kinda like Obama care….. I did not know this, but thanks for posting. A lot of people overlook the fact that Orwell was a huge proponent of socialism. 1984 was great and all as a warning of a totalitarian state... but folks don't realize what the author was truly after. Why play up the role of the proles so much? The guy was one of those "for the workers" types. |
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Way overrated  All your taste is in your mouth. Academy Awards nominated Best Director - Stanley Kubrick nominated Best Film Editing - Bill Butler nominated Best Picture nominated Best Adapted Screenplay - Stanley Kubrick BAFTA Awards BAFTA Film Award Best Art Direction - John Barry Best Cinematography - John Alcott Best Direction - Stanley Kubrick Best Film Best Film Editing - William Butler Best Screenplay - Stanley Kubrick Best Sound Track - Brian Blamey, John Jordan, Bill Rowe Directors Guild of America 1972 Nominated DGA Award Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Motion Pictures - Stanley Kubrick Golden Globes nominated 1972 Nominated Golden Globe Best Director: Motion Picture - Stanley Kubrick nominated Best Motion Picture - Drama nominated Best Motion Picture Actor: Drama - Malcolm McDowell Hugo Awards 1972 Won Hugo Best Dramatic Presentation New York Film Critics Circle Awards 1971 Won NYFCC Award Best Director - Stanley Kubrick Best Film Writers Guild of America, United States 1972 Nominated WGA Award (Screen) Best Drama Adapted from Another Medium - Stanley Kubrick American Film Institute recognition AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies (1998) - #46 AFI's 100 Years... 100 Thrills (2001) - #21 AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes and Villains (2003): Alex De Large - #12 Villain AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies (10th Anniversary Edition) (2007) - #70 AFI's 10 Top 10 (2008) - #4 Sci-Fi Film |