[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Firefly (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/18/2010 6:39:36 AM EDT
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Ok, I know there is about one of these threads a month... But wow! What a great show!! I just wish they continued it...
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it…
But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX. |
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX. On purpose. The chief characters were former brown coats who fought against the progressive alliance. You could say that the brown coats were for smaller government. Definite political overtones to today. |
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Quoted: Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.  |
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.
Blame Summer for dropped lines (running joke with the cast), but definitely not for the demise of the show. That was pure Fox exec fuckup right there. They aired the episodes out of order, at seemingly random times, and didn't advertise it at all. It was set up to fail from the start. |
thanks for bring it back up....................................GREAT FUCKING SHOW
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.
Blame FOX for Firefly and the writers for Sarah Connor Chronicles.....did not watch the others. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past.  You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I figured it was something bad, but never got the operative connection. Where did you come up with that? |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. |
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.
Actually, Dollhouse was scheduled for its endpoint before she started on the show. And she is dead, anyway. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I figured it was something bad, but never got the operative connection. Where did you come up with that? Reading between the lines, when he and Mal were talking in Haven. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I figured it was something bad, but never got the operative connection. Where did you come up with that? He knew how to fight with his hands (Pilot) and guns (War Stories). He knew more about crime than the average Sheppard would (The Train Job & Our Mrs. Reynolds) His ID card got him special treatment from the Alliance (Safe). Identified the rifle and ship used to kidnap Mal and Wash (War Stories) The bounty hunter said he wasn't a Sheppard (Objects in Space). He was familiar with Alliance law enforcement procedure (The Message). He had a pretty good idea of how the operative worked (Serenity). |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. On one hand, I kinda like your theory better, but... remember when Book was injured and they brought him to the Alliance ship? A retired General ID card wouldn't get you the kind of service he got. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. On one hand, I kinda like your theory better, but... remember when Book was injured and they brought him to the Alliance ship? A retired General ID card wouldn't get you the kind of service he got. Maybe, maybe not. We don't have all the in's and out's of Alliance bureaucracy. I find it hard to believe that an Alliance crew would withhold any medical resources from a retired General or retired Colonel. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. The one problem I have with that is high ranking officers don't shoot or fight much. |
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With Nathan Fillion now on Castle (until it gets axed at the end of the year), I think Fire Fly, as good as it was, is dead for good. Wait what? They're canceling Castle?!? That show is great! That Halloween show was pretty good. Richard Castle as Mal Reynolds. 
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. The one problem I have with that is high ranking officers don't shoot or fight much. If they've moved up through the ranks they certainly had the training at some point. And there's nothing keeping an officer from keeping up on those skills if he so desires. I noticed how Book would work out with Jayne on occasion. Book was the type of man who preferred to stay "conditioned" even as a preacher. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. The one problem I have with that is high ranking officers don't shoot or fight much. If they've moved up through the ranks they certainly had the training at some point. And there's nothing keeping an officer from keeping up on those skills if he so desires. I noticed how Book would work out with Jayne on occasion. Book was the type of man who preferred to stay "conditioned" even as a preacher. It's one thing to work out and keep fit. It's entirely another to shoot several thousand rounds a week to keep sharp, and sparing several times a week. You don't use it, you lose it. That's the hard truth of it. Even if he was an operative, it would have to be rather recent. He'd have to have been only recently stopped using firearms and fighting to retain much of the muscle memory. |
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My take on the operatives -
They were "enhanced", now if they were genetically enhanced or of they went through "training" like River did, I won't speculate. Book lost what it took to be an operative (disenchanted with the system), he was "allowed" to retire, probably with the stipulation that if he "caused trouble" he would be dealt with. |
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My take on the operatives - They were "enhanced", now if they were genetically enhanced or of they went through "training" like River did, I won't speculate. Book lost what it took to be an operative (disenchanted with the system), he was "allowed" to retire, probably with the stipulation that if he "caused trouble" he would be dealt with. I can see that, just like the new operative did...makes sense. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. The one problem I have with that is high ranking officers don't shoot or fight much. If they've moved up through the ranks they certainly had the training at some point. And there's nothing keeping an officer from keeping up on those skills if he so desires. I noticed how Book would work out with Jayne on occasion. Book was the type of man who preferred to stay "conditioned" even as a preacher. It's one thing to work out and keep fit. It's entirely another to shoot several thousand rounds a week to keep sharp, and sparing several times a week. You don't use it, you lose it. That's the hard truth of it. Even if he was an operative, it would have to be rather recent. He'd have to have been only recently stopped using firearms and fighting to retain much of the muscle memory. I think you might be assuming more skill than the show manifested. He shot one man in the leg with a carbine at relatively close range. It was a decent shot, but not extraordinary. He jumped the Fed and knocked him out, but the Fed was distracted by multiple possible threats at the time. Again it showed basic skill, but wasn't extraordinary. Other than that the only time I can remember Book handling a gun of any type was the anti-aircraft gun in Serenity. Generally speaking, Book shows basic competency more than high-speed-low-drag combat skills. A military officer could easily have that basic level of hand to hand and firearm competency. |
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The melancholy silver lining to its early demise is the show ended still at it's finest. It never jumped the shark or got drawn out past it's goodness. Still, I wish we could have had a few more glimpses into Book's fascinating past. You saw Serenity, right? That was Book's past; they just used another operative to show it. Book was an operative. I know that's one popular theory. I don't argue against it, either. I also have a theory that Book was a high ranking officer in the war, possibly commanding at the battle of Serenity Valley, and the carnage of it led him to retire from active service and enter the ministry. So when he saw Serenity parked at Persephone he viewed it as a heavenly sign and chose to get on board. Thus, his interactions with Mal bring everything full circle and become a part of Book's redemption. As a high ranking military officer he'd still have his combat knowledge (both with firearms and hand to hand), he'd understand jurisdictions the way he did in The Message, understand Alliance thinking and the use of operatives, etc. Just my thinking. The one problem I have with that is high ranking officers don't shoot or fight much. If they've moved up through the ranks they certainly had the training at some point. And there's nothing keeping an officer from keeping up on those skills if he so desires. I noticed how Book would work out with Jayne on occasion. Book was the type of man who preferred to stay "conditioned" even as a preacher. It's one thing to work out and keep fit. It's entirely another to shoot several thousand rounds a week to keep sharp, and sparing several times a week. You don't use it, you lose it. That's the hard truth of it. Even if he was an operative, it would have to be rather recent. He'd have to have been only recently stopped using firearms and fighting to retain much of the muscle memory. I think you might be assuming more skill than the show manifested. He shot one man in the leg with a carbine at relatively close range. It was a decent shot, but not extraordinary. He jumped the Fed and knocked him out, but the Fed was distracted by multiple possible threats at the time. Again it showed basic skill, but wasn't extraordinary. Other than that the only time I can remember Book handling a gun of any type was the anti-aircraft gun in Serenity. Generally speaking, Book shows basic competency more than high-speed-low-drag combat skills. A military officer could easily have that basic level of hand to hand and firearm competency. Well, you do make an excellent point. Especially considering that most of the manifestation was in specific knowledge or in making a clever plan. Such as a good commander would do. |
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.
Actually, Dollhouse was scheduled for its endpoint before she started on the show. And she is dead, anyway. 
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Yes it was great and I wish they had continued it… But, the actors have all (mostly) moved on to other things. And Firefly was a character driven show. Without the characters you don’t have any show to continue. No doubt Joss Whedon could come up with new characters in the same universe, but there wouldn’t be a point. Unfortunately, Firefly is dead, killed by evil executives at FOX Summer Glau. Fixed. Maybe not directly, but she has been the kiss of death for Fox shows. Firefly, The Unit, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and now Dollhouse. Want a show to die? Cast her. And sure, she's easy on the eyes but that doesn't change the pattern she's developing.
Actually, Dollhouse was scheduled for its endpoint before she started on the show. And she is dead, anyway.
Or do you mean the show Dollhouse or her character on the show? Well the acctress(Glau) is not dead. Her character on the show is dead. And the show seems to be coming to an end soon. |
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Looks like they killed her off in the show.... and the show as well. Last episode to air 29 Jan if Wikipedia is to be trusted. From Wikipedia: Bennett Halverson (Summer Glau), introduced in "The Public Eye," is the D.C. Dollhouse's programmer. Even Topher regards her as a genius. Prior to the events of the series (and becoming Echo), Caroline is Bennett's best friend. Although viewers were initially led to believe that Caroline betrayed Bennett and left her for dead, it is later revealed that she was attempting to disavow Bennett's involvement with the bombing attack Caroline and Bennett mounted against Rossum - something Bennett does not forgive Caroline for. When Bennett attempts to kill Echo by imprinting Daniel Perrin with an assassin persona, she is thwarted by Topher, who initially develops an attraction towards her.E-19 Eventually, she is kidnapped by Paul and Anthony, taking her back to the dollhouse in order to fix Caroline's wedge, however she is killed by Dr. Saunders directly after sharing her first kiss with Topher.E-2 |
| I always got the feeling that Book was supposed to have had a position in government somewhere. Maybe a background in the military. You can see from the blue-hand guys that the Alliance has no qualms about killing off lower lever functionaries that know too much, or have outlived their usefulness. I pictured Book as being someone that has skills or knowledge that may come in handy should the Alliance need to call him up at a later date. |
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With Nathan Fillion now on Castle (until it gets axed at the end of the year), I think Fire Fly, as good as it was, is dead for good. Wait what? They're canceling Castle?!? That show is great! That Halloween show was pretty good. Richard Castle as Mal Reynolds.  Huh. Mal Reynolds looks quite a bit different nowadays... 
What's this about they're cancelling Castle? 
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