[ARCHIVED THREAD] - H&K P7 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/18/2009 5:17:46 PM EDT
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At a gun store today I found a H&K P7 in mint shape in a HK box, 2 mags that look new and a cleaning rod still in wrap for $699.00. Is this a good price and can someone tell me some info on this firearm.
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They are neat pistols. Accurate, but heavy and low capacity. They also get hot from firing pretty quickly. Magazines are expensive. Aside from that, they are neat pistols that everyone should have a chance to own or shoot. They are a gas retarded, squeeze cocking pistol.
If it's in the shape you describe, then 699.99 is a good price. You are probably looking at a recent german police trade in from lower saxony. Check out www.hkpro.com for more info on these pistols. |
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That's not a bad deal.
The magazines alone are getting upwards of $100 on Gunbroker. The P-7 was a superbly engineered pistol, with the only drawback (as noted in the other reply above) of rapid heat build up in the gas system. I honestly do not know why HK stopped making them, and wish they still did. Here's mine. I had it refinished in Robar NP3. The grip panels are English walnut. ETA: This piece was also a German police trade in that was recently imported. 
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The fat finger on the keys. 
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Top Gun Supply list the PSP's at $529. Magazines, new at $69, used at $59 http://www.topgunsupply.com/handguns-hk/index2.html |
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At a gun store today I found a H&K P7 in mint shape in a HK box, 2 mags that look new and a cleaning rod still in wrap for $699.00. Is this a good price and can someone tell me some info on this firearm. Buy it, NOW! They are very accurate, reliable, and about the safest carry pistol ever produced. Especially if it gets in the "wrong" hands....almost everyone that doesn't know how the squeeze cock works fails to engage it. My only complaints are; It gets hot because of the gas retarded blowback during a long range session, and they are normally very expensive. Mags aren't cheap, either. And quality seeps out of the ejection port and gets all over everything. 
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At a gun store today I found a H&K P7 in mint shape in a HK box, 2 mags that look new and a cleaning rod still in wrap for $699.00. Is this a good price and can someone tell me some info on this firearm. If it's a P7M8, if you were in Ohio I'd be racing you to the store... |
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If it's a PSP that's too high IMHO. If it's a M8 grab it up. I absolutely love mine. I have quite a few high end handguns and it's by far one of my favorite to shoot. It would probably be number 1 if it weren't for the heat build up mentioned already. The heat isn't really a huge deal, especially if you wear gloves or swap guns every couple of mags. They are extremely accurate and reliable. Mine has never choked or failed in any way, shape or form with a few thousand rounds of cheap plinking ammo through it. I also wouldn't hesitate for a second to use it for CCW. Slap that fine piece of German engineering in a Milt Sparks VM2 and you're good to go. I felt like crying when I found out that Tripp wasn't accepting anymore pistols.  Oh well, Robar will have to do. |
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No way a P7M8 is gonna sell for $699 these days..............  Probably not, but every now and then you come across one that somehow slipped through the cracks of reality. Two years ago I found a like new P7M8 in a backwoods gun shop with a tag of $900. I went in intending to buy something else in particular, so I agonized over which I should buy for a very long time. The guy behind the counter said he would work on the price of the P7M8 for me. I said how much, he walked away and did some calculating. Came back and slid a paper to me on the counter that said $800. I still didn't take it that day, but I did come back in the morning and buy it. Granted, that was two years ago, but the average price of a LNIB P7M8 even then was more like $1200, minimum. |
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No way a P7M8 is gonna sell for $699 these days.............. Probably not, but every now and then you come across one that somehow slipped through the cracks of reality. Two years ago I found a like new P7M8 in a backwoods gun shop with a tag of $900. I went in intending to buy something else in particular, so I agonized over which I should buy for a very long time. The guy behind the counter said he would work on the price of the P7M8 for me. I said how much, he walked away and did some calculating. Came back and slid a paper to me on the counter that said $800. I still didn't take it that day, but I did come back in the morning and buy it. Granted, that was two years ago, but the average price of a LNIB P7M8 even then was more like $1200, minimum. I got a used P7M8 got around $600 at a gunshow, deals happen if you look enough |
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I bought my P7M8 twelve years ago for $650 and that was high at the time.
Sold it for $700 about five years later to pay for some kid related stuff. 
I recently bought this P7 for $599+tax at a big box sporting goods store. I expect it will also climb in value as these guns dry up on the market but I have no intention of selling mine. I wanted the heel magazine release version of the pistol all along. I was never comfortable or happy with the side release M8 version even though they are a bit faster to reload and there are more options for replacement sights on the market. |
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That's not a bad deal. The magazines alone are getting upwards of $100 on Gunbroker. The P-7 was a superbly engineered pistol, with the only drawback (as noted in the other reply above) of rapid heat build up in the gas system. They also tend to stop working when carbon builds up on them after a significant round count. I honestly do not know why HK stopped making them, and wish they still did. They were expensive as hell to produce, meaning nobody was buying them in the Glock era. The P7M8 saw limited adoption by a few police departments, most noteably the New Jersey State Police, but they were out of the price range of most police departments and military agencies here and abroad. They are neat guns to be sure...but the market just had too many other acceptable options and that eventually killed them. |
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That's not a bad deal. The magazines alone are getting upwards of $100 on Gunbroker. The P-7 was a superbly engineered pistol, with the only drawback (as noted in the other reply above) of rapid heat build up in the gas system. They also tend to stop working when carbon builds up on them after a significant round count. I honestly do not know why HK stopped making them, and wish they still did. They were expensive as hell to produce, meaning nobody was buying them in the Glock era. The P7M8 saw limited adoption by a few police departments, most noteably the New Jersey State Police, but they were out of the price range of most police departments and military agencies here and abroad. They are neat guns to be sure...but the market just had too many other acceptable options and that eventually killed them. +1 Heavy by todays standards coupled with a small number of rounds on board, expensive replacement magazines, hard to find and expensive holsters make the gun not so useful as a carry piece today. They still make a fine range gun and pleasure shooting pistol. Every gun a man owns does not need to be cutting edge "tacticool" to be a pleasure to own and shoot. |
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I just shot my P7 PSP for the first time today. I love it, it's a sweet shooter. I got it from CDNN a few months ago for IIRC about $600 and it was absolutely like new when I got it. The box was beat up though so I got a discount for that. I'd highly recommend it, and when I get to a state that allows CCW I intend to carry it extensively. |
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They still make a fine range gun and pleasure shooting pistol. Every gun a man owns does not need to be cutting edge "tacticool" to be a pleasure to own and shoot. +1 The accuracy alone on these are simply phenomenal. Every other shortcoming pales in comparison, IMO. |
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I wanted one bad when I was younger bought a PSP didn't like it so I bought a M8 didn't like it either 2 major prolems to me at least 1 HEAT even the M8 would get a bit hot at the end of a IPSC string , yes that is not the propuse of the pistol but the course i shot at made the course revolver frendly and were never more than 24 rounds long it would get hot enought to be uncomfortable to hold your finger stright along the frame like you are supposed to if ya wanted to be a douche and keep your finger on the trigger all the time its was OK and a afternoon of plinking? yeah better bring a second pistol 2 for me at least i could rarely pull off a fast smooth magazine change with either |
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1 HEAT and a afternoon of plinking? yeah better bring a second pistol Who goes to the range with but one pistol?
Way to beat the heat build up=leather shooting glove. Remember that German Police are commonly issued but one spare magazine and a shooting encounter was expected to be solved by the Policeman with the cartridges loaded in the pistol so heat wasn't an issue for them. There is an effective speed magazine change drill and I may do a video on the technique someday. It still isn't as fast as a tactical magazine change using an american release button but it is fast enough to keep the shooter in the game and as a plus, your magazines never hit the ground unless you choose to drop them. |
When I had my P7M13, I found that it hated my reloads. I was shooting a plated bullet from either Frontier or Rainier at the time, and after about two mags, the slide would freeze in place because the gas piston was choked with copper shavings. I'd have to force the slide off and brush off the gas piston and run the cleaning tool into the gas chamber to get it running again.
My other reloads are lead, and I wasn't stupid enough to try those too. I don't know if that behavior with plated bullets is par for the course with P7s, or whether something was wrong with mine. The heat issue also got bothersome when you were doing things like Bill Drills. At any rate, I saw no point in having a gun I couldn't shoot. It went on down the road to pay for something I shoot much more often, an Infinity. I'll say one thing about HK: I've never lost money selling one yet. |
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When I had my P7M13, I found that it hated my reloads. I was shooting a plated bullet from either Frontier or Rainier at the time, and after about two mags, the slide would freeze in place because the gas piston was choked with copper shavings. I'd have to force the slide off and brush off the gas piston and run the cleaning tool into the gas chamber to get it running again. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/hkp7-2-1.jpg My other reloads are lead, and I wasn't stupid enough to try those too. I don't know if that behavior with plated bullets is par for the course with P7s, or whether something was wrong with mine. The heat issue also got bothersome when you were doing things like Bill Drills. At any rate, I saw no point in having a gun I couldn't shoot. It went on down the road to pay for something I shoot much more often, an Infinity. I'll say one thing about HK: I've never lost money selling one yet. Never heard of that happening. It's possible your gas port had a slight burr on it? |
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When I had my P7M13, I found that it hated my reloads. I was shooting a plated bullet from either Frontier or Rainier at the time, and after about two mags, the slide would freeze in place because the gas piston was choked with copper shavings. I'd have to force the slide off and brush off the gas piston and run the cleaning tool into the gas chamber to get it running again. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/hkp7-2-1.jpg My other reloads are lead, and I wasn't stupid enough to try those too. I don't know if that behavior with plated bullets is par for the course with P7s, or whether something was wrong with mine. The heat issue also got bothersome when you were doing things like Bill Drills. At any rate, I saw no point in having a gun I couldn't shoot. It went on down the road to pay for something I shoot much more often, an Infinity. I'll say one thing about HK: I've never lost money selling one yet. Never heard of that happening. It's possible your gas port had a slight burr on it? Anything's possible, though nothing was visible just from inspecting the chamber. |
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No it is a common occurance.
Jacketed and only jacketed bullets for the H&K pistols, all of them. I usually shoot Sellier and Bellot 9mm FMJ in my P7. They have a hard cupronickle coating on the outside of the bullet and leave very little metal fouling in the bore. You have to be careful of some cupronickle plated bullets as the coating is somewhat soft and thin and these bullets will literally nickle plate the barrel bore. S&Bs haven't displayed this tendency yet. |
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Quoted: why? its just more shit to clean1 HEAT and a afternoon of plinking? yeah better bring a second pistol Who goes to the range with but one pistol? Way to beat the heat build up=leather shooting glove. Remember that German Police are commonly issued but one spare magazine and a shooting encounter was expected to be solved by the Policeman with the cartridges loaded in the pistol so heat wasn't an issue for them. There is an effective speed magazine change drill and I may do a video on the technique someday. It still isn't as fast as a tactical magazine change using an american release button but it is fast enough to keep the shooter in the game and as a plus, your magazines never hit the ground unless you choose to drop them. a glock or a beretta or a SIG or a USP or a CZ75 or a even a hi point can do a whole afternoon pretty much non-stop with no problems nothing wrong with the guns mine shot very well and I could get sub 3 sec mag changes with either the PSP or M8 but most any other pistol I can cut that time in half neat guns that shoot very very well but there are many better alternatives for 1/2 the price and on the other hand why should I adapt to a pistol that has alternatives for 1/2 the price that do not require adapting didt most polizei normally have a sub machine gun to go along with their 7 shot pistol and don't they now have 15 shot USPs anyway? |
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I have both the P7 PSP and the M8.
Personally I greatly perfer the PSP. To easy to inadvertantly drop the mag on the M8. The PSP is one of my 2 CCW "go to" pistols (the PSP and my Baer TRS). Do yourself a favor if you buy one , buy the Milt Sparks VM2 holster for it. You will thank me later. |
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Way to beat the heat build up=leather shooting glove. I was just at a training course with a fellow using a P7M8 as his primary. He had two pistols and was wearing gloves. Both weapons were retired before day 1 was even finished. The only guy I have ever seen with a P7 that he used all throughout the course had three guns and a cooler. Two were in the cooler, one was in the holster. They were frequently rotated and cleaned every night. |
| I bought one of the German Police trade in's from TGS and I'll say this they must not get much range time over in Germany. The barrel and piston looked almost new, sure there was a lot of holster wear but I had it refinished and it's like new. They are very accurate pistols that are better suited for carry than extended range sessions to be sure. I love mine. |