Posted: 11/5/2009 7:43:16 PM EDT
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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. –– About 120 Fort Bragg paratroopers have been in lock-down since Oct. 29 because a pair of night-vision goggles is missing.
The Army is conducting a criminal investigation into the loss, said Maj. Brian Fickel, a spokesman for the 82nd Airborne Division's rear detachment at Fort Bragg. "They have reason to believe it was not an accident," Fickel said. Lock-downs are standard procedure when the military loses sensitive items such as weapons, high-tech devices or communications security equipment. No one is allowed to come or go from the unit area. The PVS-14 goggles were lost in the vicinity of Sicily Drop Zone during last week's Joint Forcible Entry Exercise. The Soldiers expected to be in the field for three days. "The unit involved was playing the aggressors for the training exercise, the opposing force," Fickel said. "They were already out in the training area." http://www.military.com/news/article/unit-in-lock-down-over-missing-goggles.html |
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Whenever we had a sensitive item go missing it was almost always skipped over in the arms room, and the more people said "Check with the armorer" the more the arms room guys said "Fuck you we're SURE we don't have it......" until somebody else did the count.\ and found 'em. We got locked down for a couple days a couple times because of NVG's or pluggers that were skipped.
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| When I was in Korea my unit got locked down for a missing M7 Bayonet after an alert was canceled. We searched the entire post for several hours. It turned out that the 1SG had found it; but wanted to make a point. A unit getting locked down over a pair of NVG's is pretty much SOP. Sucks though. |
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I've been held over for 12 miserable hours over missing night vision MOUNTS...just pieces of metal...we had just finished an exhausting 36 hour training regimen and marched over a dozen miles back from the field with zero sleep.
All of the NCOs had to drive home and get their "personal" mounts ("acquired" from other units...one of ours fell asleep at the wheel on the way back and had a head on collision with his brand new car but somehow only cut his arm.... Nothing like being awake for almost 48 hours with no sleep and having sweat out/drank about 15 liters of water. We were in body armor for the entire 36 hours and it was summer @ fort hood. |
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Spent three days comeing a live fire site in West Germany looking for a 2 inch by 3 inch encryption device for our radios back in 88; yeah...it's serious business. Lucky for the guy we found it. They had ANCDs back in 88? I was thinking KYK-13. this |
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Spent three days comeing a live fire site in West Germany looking for a 2 inch by 3 inch encryption device for our radios back in 88; yeah...it's serious business. Lucky for the guy we found it. They had ANCDs back in 88? Nope, KYK13's dam you guys totally beat me. I guess old dave_a is not the know it all after all. |
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Spent three days comeing a live fire site in West Germany looking for a 2 inch by 3 inch encryption device for our radios back in 88; yeah...it's serious business. Lucky for the guy we found it. They had ANCDs back in 88? Can't remember what the hell we called them; but...we'd plug them into the front of the radios to load encryption into the radios. Still had the little books for when we had to broadcast in the clear. |
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Spent three days comeing a live fire site in West Germany looking for a 2 inch by 3 inch encryption device for our radios back in 88; yeah...it's serious business. Lucky for the guy we found it. They had ANCDs back in 88? I was thinking KYK-13. That sounds familiar. |
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My guard unit was using the KYC-13 in 1991.I was RAT,31C then. I found the KYC and a modem out of one of the RAT rigs once on a NCO's truck tailgate with no one in sight.I even sat there for fifteen minutes or so waiting before I returned it to the commo chief. He was more than a little upset. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Spent three days comeing a live fire site in West Germany looking for a 2 inch by 3 inch encryption device for our radios back in 88; yeah...it's serious business. Lucky for the guy we found it. They had ANCDs back in 88? I was thinking KYK-13. That sounds familiar. |
| I was working in the Bn S-3 shop (The only one on duty) one night when a company came up short a pair of -14s after completing tng. I altered the Coc about the lost sensitive item and then sat on my ass for the rest of the night(I was only supposed to be there till about 22-2300, waiting for word to come in about the NVGs. Come 0600, the -3,5,6,and 7 show up and want to know any more pertinent information. I brief them and then the S-3 tells me to go back to the B's. I tell you what, I have never fled from work so fast. The Bn got locked down for the rest of the day till about 2300, while i enjoyed my day off. |
Yeah we got locked down for a day or for two missing 5.56 rounds. Commander said if anyone has those two rounds to drop them in the amnesty box, nothing would be said and everyone could go home. They checked the amnesty box the next day and found about fifteen rounds at the bottom. 
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Yeah we got locked down for a day or for two missing 5.56 rounds. Commander said if anyone has those two rounds to drop them in the amnesty box, nothing would be said and everyone could go home. They checked the amnesty box the next day and found about fifteen rounds at the bottom. 
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Hey guys, don't laugh. I still use a KYK-13 at the office. Hell I still have a KOI-18 that I use too. +1. Getting them to work sometimes is like trying to fix an original Nintendo. Guys blowing on the connector, rubbing erasers on the connections, good stuff. |
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Yeah we got locked down for a day or for two missing 5.56 rounds. Commander said if anyone has those two rounds to drop them in the amnesty box, nothing would be said and everyone could go home. They checked the amnesty box the next day and found about fifteen rounds at the bottom. http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/2/28/Futurama_snu_snu.gif/120px-Futurama_snu_snu.gif Death by Snu Snu! 
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Hey guys, don't laugh. I still use a KYK-13 at the office. Hell I still have a KOI-18 that I use too. The KYK-13 is the greatest piece of fill gear ever invented. It's practically indestructible, and completely irreplaceable. Couldn't agree more! I mean really, how many times do you need more than 6 keys regularly? Hell, I had to help troops troubleshoot a problem until 3 in the morning over the phone because no one could operate a new SKL correctly. |
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Hey guys, don't laugh. I still use a KYK-13 at the office. Hell I still have a KOI-18 that I use too. The KYK-13 is the greatest piece of fill gear ever invented. It's practically indestructible, and completely irreplaceable. Couldn't agree more! I mean really, how many times do you need more than 6 keys regularly? Hell, I had to help troops troubleshoot a problem until 3 in the morning over the phone because no one could operate a new SKL correctly. Exactly. For troops in the field, the KYK is the ideal piece of gear. I've had very little exposure to the SKL –– what I've seen, I do not like. I suppose it's better than the crazy-10, though –– that thing's got to be the worst user interface ever designed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hey guys, don't laugh. I still use a KYK-13 at the office. Hell I still have a KOI-18 that I use too. The KYK-13 is the greatest piece of fill gear ever invented. It's practically indestructible, and completely irreplaceable. Couldn't agree more! I mean really, how many times do you need more than 6 keys regularly? Hell, I had to help troops troubleshoot a problem until 3 in the morning over the phone because no one could operate a new SKL correctly. Exactly. For troops in the field, the KYK is the ideal piece of gear. I've had very little exposure to the SKL –– what I've seen, I do not like. I suppose it's better than the crazy-10, though –– that thing's got to be the worst user interface ever designed. The CYZ-10 is a fucking piece of dogshit and the fucking moron retard that designed it needs to have it shoved right the fuck up his faggy fucking ass until he spits out ones and fucking zeroes out his fucking shriveled cock. The SKL is somewhat better, but give me a KYK-13 or even a KOI-18 any day. The CIKs being used on newer crypto gear (KG-175 TACLANE) makes COMSEC idiot proof with regards to loading and unloading / zeroizing the gear. |
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Hey guys, don't laugh. I still use a KYK-13 at the office. Hell I still have a KOI-18 that I use too. The KYK-13 is the greatest piece of fill gear ever invented. It's practically indestructible, and completely irreplaceable. Couldn't agree more! I mean really, how many times do you need more than 6 keys regularly? Hell, I had to help troops troubleshoot a problem until 3 in the morning over the phone because no one could operate a new SKL correctly. Exactly. For troops in the field, the KYK is the ideal piece of gear. I've had very little exposure to the SKL –– what I've seen, I do not like. I suppose it's better than the crazy-10, though –– that thing's got to be the worst user interface ever designed. The CYZ-10 is a fucking piece of dogshit and the fucking moron retard that designed it needs to have it shoved right the fuck up his faggy fucking ass until he spits out ones and fucking zeroes out his fucking shriveled cock. The SKL is somewhat better, but give me a KYK-13 or even a KOI-18 any day. The CIKs being used on newer crypto gear (KG-175 TACLANE) makes COMSEC idiot proof with regards to loading and unloading / zeroizing the gear. 
I concur on the CYZ. I worked with it for years, and it seemed like every time I picked it up I had to re-learn something funky with the UI. I picked one up after about a 4 year hiatus, and literally couldn't figure out how to use the damned thing anymore –– I had to go get an IT to load my KYK. That was embarrassing. Unfortunately, the KOI is going to be completely useless very soon. It was another piece of gear that pretty much just worked –– couldn't screw it up. |
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In 2001, my ship (an FFG) only used KYK-13s and the occasional KOI-18. I got out in June 2001 and joined the ANG in August 2001. KYK-13s were being rapidly phased out in favor of CYZ-10s.  One time, there was a remote COMEX between two AN/TRC-170 Troposcatter terminals. Our guys were in Pacific Beach, WA; the distant end was at Camp Rilea, OR. Our guys were issued the wrong CIK with their CYZ-10––hence, they had no keymat. I got to drive keymat from Seattle to Pacific Beach. Oh yeah, we found out about this debacle at 1400 on Saturday. I got home at 2200. If they had the KYK-13, all they would have had to do was turn a dial and press a button to observe a lit LED. Since the CYZ-10 is a Mongolian clusterfuck of Biblical proportion to operate, that check never happened apparently.
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Formation for 6 hours for missing Ka-Bar. Myself and a buddy found it when searching humvee's, some one had stuffed it in the visor.
I remember the cyz being OK to fill radios (Prc-113 and 113f). Just hit enter a bunch of times and it was all good. Then again our comm bubbas would set them up to be easy to use at issue. That and my boot camp watch for setting the time. |
| This must me a ARMY and USMC thing. I know for a fact the USAF looses all kinds of shit out here in NM, UT and AZ all the time. People have found new radios, NVDs, tires, mags, all kinds of "sensitive" stuff. Sometimes it gets turned in at a local SO other times it goes into Bubba's closet. Shit go out to White Sands just off base and you can find all kinds of crap new and old. |
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In 2001, my ship (an FFG) only used KYK-13s and the occasional KOI-18. I got out in June 2001 and joined the ANG in August 2001. KYK-13s were being rapidly phased out in favor of CYZ-10s.
One time, there was a remote COMEX between two AN/TRC-170 Troposcatter terminals. Our guys were in Pacific Beach, WA; the distant end was at Camp Rilea, OR. Our guys were issued the wrong CIK with their CYZ-10––hence, they had no keymat. I got to drive keymat from Seattle to Pacific Beach. Oh yeah, we found out about this debacle at 1400 on Saturday. I got home at 2200. If they had the KYK-13, all they would have had to do was turn a dial and press a button to observe a lit LED. Since the CYZ-10 is a Mongolian clusterfuck of Biblical proportion to operate, that check never happened apparently. Yikes... I hate when people don't understand the uses of a piece of gear. The CYZ is a whole different type of device –– replacing a KYK with it makes no sense at all. KYKs are made for non-techs, and that's why I love them. I still haven't figured out who the CYZ was made for. |
We trained exclusively on the SKL before we deployed but they pretty much all broke as our training cycle wound down so we only used ancd/cyz-10s in afghanistan....god I hated that mother fucker. I knew I had filled too many radios when we were setting up a night ambush and a radio lost its fill, I filled it at night with no light with the damn CYZ10 (the backlight function was broken too). And FYI the letters/numbers don't show up on the screen when you view the screen with PVS14s even if you focus it 
I couldn't tell you how to fill it blindfolded but I damn well could do it from muscle memory. Oh, and we killed people later that day in the ambush. 
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We trained exclusively on the SKL before we deployed but they pretty much all broke as our training cycle wound down so we only used ancd/cyz-10s in afghanistan....god I hated that mother fucker. I knew I had filled too many radios when we were setting up a night ambush and a radio lost its fill, I filled it at night with no light with the damn CYZ10 (the backlight function was broken too). And FYI the letters/numbers don't show up on the screen when you view the screen with PVS14s even if you focus it
I couldn't tell you how to fill it blindfolded but I damn well could do it from muscle memory. Oh, and we killed people later that day in the ambush.
ETA: Never even heard of the KYK. That's the important part! The KYK-13 is not normally being issued anymore. They're trying to phase it out, but the replacement device isn't nearly ruggedized enough (at least not for NSW). They're still in use some places. |
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Man fuck SKL's! I have to boot one up, put my dumb password in with a broken stylus, wait for it to load, only to find out that it dropped its fill AGAIN! Then I have to do the same thing over on my other SKL. Why do I need two of them anyway? Just in case one of them looses its fill.
Then there's COMSEC changeover. If I'm out of our BN's AO, which has happened quite a few times, there's no SKL's to be found anywhere. HQ and the CO RTO is 50 klicks away from our platoon, so I can't get it from them. Every other unit uses ANCD's. Now I have to ask ODA if I can use their SKL and transfer as many keys as I can, since S6 only lets me keep one key at a time. Our BN has nothing but SKL's and only two ANCD's, S6 keeps them. I'll take the CYZ-10 any day. Ahh what a headache! Thank God we're back at home station. |
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We had so many ANCDs at our platoon firebase it was rediculous. We had an SKL broken in a box somewhere, and 6 ANCDs on a shelf. We only took ANCDs on big missions. Actually, the one mission that I really needed it was the only mission that I took it on....no one wants to risk losing it because of the punishment especially because it's such a piece of shit.
There was only one other time that someone's MBITTR dropped comsec fill but it was at a fucked up time, my PSG was patrol leader and he lost his fill right as important realtime SIGINT was coming over the wire, we were crossing a stream. Taliban: Shoot when they are vulnerable.... We start to cross stream...right as platoon sgt begins to cross Taliban: Shoot, Shoot, Shoot, Allahu Akbar!!! Rest of Patrol *dives for cover* PSG in middle of stream *WTF?* 3 seconds later we hear taliban PKMs and RPGs open up on a different American patrol that is online with the direction finding antenna and ourselves about 1 mile further away .
It was kinda funny though but the PSG didn't think it was as funny as the rest of us that he was the one stuck out there and no one yelled to him what was going on. |
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Yeah we got locked down for a day or for two missing 5.56 rounds. Commander said if anyone has those two rounds to drop them in the amnesty box, nothing would be said and everyone could go home. They checked the amnesty box the next day and found about fifteen rounds at the bottom. Good for those troops. I used to keep spare civvy mags, ammo, etc, in my locker for just such occasions. When my 60 troops would turn in equipment after a busy shift or FTX, and something came up missing, I was always the one to "find" the missing item, usually in a vehicle. It allowed dead-tired troops to get some rest, instead of wasting 300+ man-hours searching for a $10 mag. Asswipe back-office pukes had no problem sipping coffee in a cozy office, while ordering my flight to "search until found" in hellacious weather. It became a bit of a running joke, and other OICs would sometimes request my "assistance" when they had a similar situation. At first, we did have a problem of guys losing a round, and replacing it with a broken pencil at the bottom of the magazine. All because of the shitstorm that would occur over a lost round of .556. Some guys would swipe a few during weapons quals for spares. |
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Quoted: Theoretically? Yes, but not to worry, a higher-up will hang somebody out to dry. Since this seems to be common procedure, can someone answer me this? If the goggles are *never* found, and the investigation comes up with nothing on figuring out where they went, how long would the lock down last? Weeks? Months? Years? |
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Theoretically? Yes, but not to worry, a higher-up will hang somebody out to dry.
Since this seems to be common procedure, can someone answer me this? If the goggles are *never* found, and the investigation comes up with nothing on figuring out where they went, how long would the lock down last? Weeks? Months? Years?
Yep. I performed dozens of USAF investigations of missing and damaged govt property (all on my "off duty" time )
Even when there was no one clearly at fault, the wing kings had to have their pound of flesh, and they'd crucify some poor airman. They'd make an example out of him, to create fear amongst the troops, and they'd dock his pay so the accounting balance sheets never showed any discrepancies, and it put a tidy closure on an open investigation. No one in a position to stop this idiocy, had enough integrity to do so. So goddamn much fun. 20 hrs of my "free" time for the investigation, probably 20-40 hrs of others people's time wasted, some airman gets destroyed, and unit morale takes another big hit. But hey, the govt got their 50 cents back, for that one lost round of .38 special ammo.
And if you really wanted to see the olympics of USAF stupidity, it was the vehicle abuse investigations. |