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10/26/2009 1:06:45 PM EDT
I've never shipped a firearm across State lines, I've got some things to sell and will have both pistols and long guns to ship. Can anyone provide me with a site or info that explains the ins and outs of shipping both hand guns and long guns.



Is UPS my only option to ship a HG?



Can I ship long guns through the USPS?



Thanks!

10/26/2009 1:55:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
I've never shipped a firearm across State lines, I've got some things to sell and will have both pistols and long guns to ship. Can anyone provide me with a site or info that explains the ins and outs of shipping both hand guns and long guns.

Is UPS my only option to ship a HG?

Can I ship long guns through the USPS?

Thanks!


Here is a link to the ATF rules -> http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1  Hopefully this will answer your questions.

10/26/2009 2:04:24 PM EDT
[#2]
unless you ship through a FFL dealer, FedEx and UPS are your only options to ship a handgun.  has to go overnight and will cost you about $50.
if you ship your handgun through a FFL you can cut that cost in half or better because he can use USPS and it will cost him about $5.  the rest of his charge is for his time and effort.

you can ship a long gun any way you like.  USPS is the cheapest option.  it does not have to go overnight.  
when i ship a long gun through USPS i like to remove an important part, such as the bolt, and i either ship it separately or wrapped up inside the box.  i'm not sure if that is required, but it makes me feel better.

gunbroker has a lot of helpful info on this subject under the "for sellers" tab.
10/26/2009 5:24:55 PM EDT
[#3]
AS A SHIPPER OF FIREARMS

For a quick reference,  check these links:

http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandconditions/restrictions.html

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm

http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.pdf


AS A SHIPPER - THE SHORT COURSE ON SHIPPING FIREARMS

***Declare all firearm shipments***AND***Unless prohibited by your state or local laws***

A Non-FFL Dealer, CAN ship a long gun (rifle or shotgun), via the US Mail or common/contract carrier (Fed Ex, UPS, etc.) to an FFL, back to the factory, or gunsmith, or out of state (to yourself), or to another non-prohibited person within your state.

A Non-FFL Dealer, CANNOT ship a handgun via the US Mail.  However, the Non-FFL Dealer, MAY USE a common/contract carrier for handgun shipments…….to an FFL, back to the factory, or gunsmith, or out of state (to yourself), or to another non-prohibited person within your state.  

That being said.....as a Non-FFL, I've found it cheaper, to take my handgun(s) to my FFL Dealer (even w/ his fee) and have the handgun(s) shipped via the USPS, registered mail and insured. YMWV.

For an FFL Dealer, a firearm (handgun or long gun) can be shipped by either the US Mail or common/contract carrier.

*The US Postal Service does NOT recognize a C&R Lic. (Collector Lic.), as being the same thing as an FFL (Dealer Lic.).

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The common carriers make their own rules on how they want firearms to be shipped (overnight, same day or whatever). Mostly it's because, they can't trust their employees w/ the possibility of THEFT. The shipping charges can quickly mount.

*THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED* Because of poor training, some UPS and FedEx employees THINK that shipping of firearms is authorized ONLY between FFLs. That is just NOT true. Speak to the KNOWLEGABLE people. It's also a good idea to have a printed copy of their rules in hand, before going to the shipping center. *THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED*
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DON’T TRY TO SKIRT THE LAW

Some people, may advise others to ship their firearms in pieces…….”Parts are Parts.”   But, note what the BATF says: Frames or receivers of firearms are "firearms" as defined in the law and subject to the same controls as complete firearms.  

You Have Been Warned.
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SHIPPING TO AN FFL DEALER, WITHOUT A SIGNED INKED FFL IN YOUR HAND

The shipper/seller, for their protection, needs to verify the receiver is an FFL Dealer. They need to ask for the receiver's FFL Number.
The shipper should then go to this website to verify the license and address: ATF FFL Ez Check Site.
The shipper should print the screen they get.
They can then legally ship the firearm to the receiver, but only at the address verified at the Ez Check Site.
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IF YOU’RE THE BUYER OF A FIREARM (FROM ANOTHER STATE)

Since this is SALE of a firearm, the seller will ship the firearm to your FFL (not directly to you). Once the firearm is at your local FFL, the FFL will record it in his book, he'll be responsible to check you out. Making sure you're not a prohibited person, have followed your local and state laws, have paid the correct fees (if applicable), and of course filled out form 4473.
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SHIPPING ANTIQUES

Under the Federal definition, an antique firearm (as described below) can be sent ANYWAY you like.   But, local and state laws may vary, so remember to check them too.

Title 18, Section 921(a)(16) then defines "antique firearm" as follows:

The term "antique firearm" means -

(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -

(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or

(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

And, from the ATF site, FAQ............

(A3) Do antique firearms come within the purview of the GCA? [Back]


No.

[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3) and (16), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.141(d)]

Advice for shipping an Antique Firearm.......

Ship them via the USPS, registered mail and insured. They are "antique firearms" and therefore are not controlled by the same laws as regular firearms.

c. Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are
generally permitted as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM C024.2.0.

Taken from the USPS Publication 52.

And, beware: Just because a firearm is a, "qualified C&R Firearm" it's NOT always, an "antique firearm."
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HTH.

Aloha, Mark



10/26/2009 5:32:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Lately it has been costing private sellers 100+ dollars to ship pistols. When I sold a couple pistols like 2 years ago, it cost me some ungodly amount to ship them. Like 80 bucks. The last pistol I bought, it cost the seller $130 to ship it UPS.

Find a FFL that can ship it for you, it's a lot cheaper.
10/26/2009 5:40:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
when I ship a long gun through USPS I like to remove an important part, such as the bolt, and I either ship it separately or wrapped up inside the box.


I've shipped a few of my own rifles to myself, from one state to another (legal) and I decided to strip the firearms to just the receiver or barreled action. It is my own little insurance against something going wrong. Neither box looks like it has a rifle inside since the boxes are smaller and of a different profile than a complete rifle.

A person might choose this method to send rifles that are sold on GunBroker or our own EE. Send the receiver to the FFL and all the other parts directly to the buyer. If something goes wrong, or the FFL is a prick, the buyer at least has a portion of what he paid for. I know the probability is low that this scenario would play out, but if you were a bettin' man, then the hedge is understandable.
10/26/2009 5:51:52 PM EDT
[#6]
ive wondered about this too.

i would most likely be shipping to CA, anyone know if they have more stupid hoops to jump through, for example, if i have to ship to an FFL even though I own it would I need to wait 10 days to pick up my firearm even though I already own it?

I would just like to ship it to my brothers house.
10/27/2009 2:25:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Man, you are on your own when it comes to dealing with California. Even when I had an FFL in Colorado, i never gave enough of a shit about California to know anything about their laws. I hope someone here gives you great advice.