[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gear Snobs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/18/2009 5:50:01 PM EDT
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Do you think that there are too many ger snobs on ARFCOM?
i.e. too many people that will bash you if you do not have/cannot afford high end weapons/optics/gear? |
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There are some snobs and some people who run their gear hard and know what works and what doesn't. I have a fair amount of cheap stuff, but I don't push it that hard and it hasn't failed me.
FWIW, I don't often show off my AR's here because I know what the consensus is on BSA red dots and the like. 
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| I was always a bolt rifle kind of shooter, I love my AR, and will buy more, but for right now I have a KISS Bushy with basic iron site setup, and I couldn't be happier. I live by the montage of, train with the basics, and move to the tech, because if the tech ever goes out, you have the basics down pat. |
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Every forum I've ever been on has it's snobs, this one is no different.
My favorite snobbery, not that I've been asked, is AK snobbery. THAT is ignorant. Funny, but ignorant. I mean, it's an AK, right? It's like comparing dumptrucks. Who cares what the finish look like, a $1100.00 AK doesn't perform any better than a $300.00 WASR. |
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I think there is 5% of the membership who looks down on anyone not running Noveskes with USO or S&B glass. Group A I think there is 25% of the membership who really likes the high end stuff, and can afford it, and buys it for those reasons alone. Group B I think there is 40% of the membership who buys the best they can afford, and has no ill will towards those that can't, while pining for Group A's gear. Group C I think there is 25% of the membership who buys frugally, likes KISS equipment, and doesn't wish to spend extra money on things they don't consider necessity. Group D I think there is 5% of the membership who thinks Barska is on par with Aimpoint, considers everything overpriced, and harbors extreme resentment towards those with pricey items. Group E Group A is for the most part quiet until provoked by Group E who starts threads of this nature on an almost daily basis in one forum or another. Group B sees firearms and ancillaries the way some people see vehicles or homes. They see the best and want it, but not for any particular reason other than that's what they like to do with their money. Group C is the largest group, and will argue mildly with the other groups, but is mostly concerned with having a good quality to cost ratio when buying their stuff. They consider purchases and weigh options before making decisions buying items. Group D simply wish to get the most out of every dollar, and sees little value in "top tier" items, and can live without unnecessary accessories. |
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There are a lot of gear snobs on here, but I don't think they hold it over anyone's head. Which is a good thing.
Personally, I don't buy shit and get good at the basics before I move up. I am sure that there are guys on here that have $3,000 into their rifle in trying to duplicate they Magpul instructor's rifles that I could outshoot with irons, because "The art of the defensive carbine" is the only training they ever had. All of that stuff is functional and quality, but you have to be at the level of Chris and Travis to actually take advantage of it. It would be like buying a liter bike to putz around the city in as a first bike. The same gear snobs make fun of my my "chickenwing"  . Whatever Pvt Cupcake, might want to move that target in.
Gear whores = paracord on EVERYTHING  
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Quoted: I think there is 5% of the membership who looks down on anyone not running Noveskes with USO or S&B glass. Group A I think there is 25% of the membership who really likes the high end stuff, and can afford it, and buys it for those reasons alone. Group B I think there is 40% of the membership who buys the best they can afford, and has no ill will towards those that can't, while pining for Group A's gear. Group C I think there is 25% of the membership who buys frugally, likes KISS equipment, and doesn't wish to spend extra money on things they don't consider necessity. Group D I think there is 5% of the membership who thinks Barska is on par with Aimpoint, considers everything overpriced, and harbors extreme resentment towards those with pricey items. Group E Group A is for the most part quiet until provoked by Group E who starts threads of this nature on an almost daily basis in one forum or another. Group B sees firearms and ancillaries the way some people see vehicles or homes. They see the best and want it, but not for any particular reason other than that's what they like to do with their money. Group C is the largest group, and will argue mildly with the other groups, but is mostly concerned with having a good quality to cost ratio when buying their stuff. They consider purchases and weigh options before making decisions buying items. Group D simply wish to get the most out of every dollar, and sees little value in "top tier" items, and can live without unnecessary accessories. This. /thread ETA: I'm a Group C type, with some Group D tendencies. |
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Quoted: I think there is 5% of the membership who looks down on anyone not running Noveskes with USO or S&B glass. Group A I think there is 25% of the membership who really likes the high end stuff, and can afford it, and buys it for those reasons alone. Group B I think there is 40% of the membership who buys the best they can afford, and has no ill will towards those that can't, while pining for Group A's gear. Group C I think there is 25% of the membership who buys frugally, likes KISS equipment, and doesn't wish to spend extra money on things they don't consider necessity. Group D I think there is 5% of the membership who thinks Barska is on par with Aimpoint, considers everything overpriced, and harbors extreme resentment towards those with pricey items. Group E Group A is for the most part quiet until provoked by Group E who starts threads of this nature on an almost daily basis in one forum or another. Group B sees firearms and ancillaries the way some people see vehicles or homes. They see the best and want it, but not for any particular reason other than that's what they like to do with their money. Group C is the largest group, and will argue mildly with the other groups, but is mostly concerned with having a good quality to cost ratio when buying their stuff. They consider purchases and weigh options before making decisions buying items. Group D simply wish to get the most out of every dollar, and sees little value in "top tier" items, and can live without unnecessary accessories. Well put, sir! Group C member here.... |
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WTF is a gear snob? Is that the guy that won't buy generic stuff at the grocery store? If so, to hell with 'em. If it's the guy that won't take cheap chinese crap of unknown quality, color me a snob. I think the definition of "gear snob" is someone who won't admit that B grade stuff has its place on a rifle. They seem to assume that everyone is using every AR as a life saving tool of the apocalypse. A LARue rail may be the ferrari but unless you plan to race another brand may do just as well (I know a YHM rail is not everything a Larue is but most people are going to be gentle enough to never see a difference). One easy example is every thread about the Tarus judge. I know it is all but worthless for "real" use but it is really a fun gun. Just because its worthless for self defence doesn't mean it is a stupid purchase. |
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I'm not sure where I stand in all this. I have 4 AR15 type rifles. None of them are crap, and none of them are top teir. I suppose I could have bought one really nice rifle for what I paid for the 4 of them, but I guess I figure if one of them goes down, there's 3 more waiting in line to replace it, not to mention a whole box full of springs, pins, gas rings bolts, etc. for spares. I also have 3 1911s. I don't have a top tier there either, but I do have 2 decent ones and a low-grade one with lots of upgrades on it. Again, for what I paid for those three, I could have bought one full custom gun. I do often tell people to steer away from guns I have had bad experiences with, but I always preface those statements with "I owned one" so people (hopefully) will understand that I'm not just trashing their decision, I'm trying to save them from having a similar bad experience. |
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Quoted: I have seen guys with $400 Shotguns beat guys with $15,000 shotguns. I personally have done both. Use what you have to the best of your ability and let the others try to beat you no matter what you use. I always get a kick out of seeing all of the mall ninjas show up at the range with multi-thousand dollar rigs and can't hit shit at 100 yards. Learn how to shoot ––THEN upgrade your shit. |
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Buy the best quality gear you can afford. If you have to save your $$$ to get a quality piece of kit, then I say it's worth it..."Buy Nice or Buy Twice" and all that.
Plan ahead...try to figure out what you need. Prioritize & don't buy shit you don't need. Try out gear other people have if you can. Ask them their likes and dislikes about it. These days, when I buy gear, I get stuff that I know will hold up to hard use and harsh conditions. That doesn't mean it's the most expensive, however...I comparison shop and attempt to get the most "bang for my buck". These are some very troubled times we live in. I may have to use that gear to defend/take care of myself and my family. You can call me paranoid. You can call me alarmist. You can call me delusional. Just make sure you also call me well equipped with quality, reliable gear. |
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Every forum I've ever been on has it's snobs, this one is no different. My favorite snobbery, not that I've been asked, is AK snobbery. THAT is ignorant. Funny, but ignorant. I mean, it's an AK, right? It's like comparing dumptrucks. Who cares what the finish look like, a $1100.00 AK doesn't perform any better than a $300.00 WASR I wish |
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Quoted: This. I'm in group D, and get sick of people in group A making fun of my stuff. Quoted: I think there is 5% of the membership who looks down on anyone not running Noveskes with USO or S&B glass. Group A I think there is 25% of the membership who really likes the high end stuff, and can afford it, and buys it for those reasons alone. Group B I think there is 40% of the membership who buys the best they can afford, and has no ill will towards those that can't, while pining for Group A's gear. Group C I think there is 25% of the membership who buys frugally, likes KISS equipment, and doesn't wish to spend extra money on things they don't consider necessity. Group D I think there is 5% of the membership who thinks Barska is on par with Aimpoint, considers everything overpriced, and harbors extreme resentment towards those with pricey items. Group E Group A is for the most part quiet until provoked by Group E who starts threads of this nature on an almost daily basis in one forum or another. Group B sees firearms and ancillaries the way some people see vehicles or homes. They see the best and want it, but not for any particular reason other than that's what they like to do with their money. Group C is the largest group, and will argue mildly with the other groups, but is mostly concerned with having a good quality to cost ratio when buying their stuff. They consider purchases and weigh options before making decisions buying items. Group D simply wish to get the most out of every dollar, and sees little value in "top tier" items, and can live without unnecessary accessories. This. /thread ETA: I'm a Group C type, with some Group D tendencies.  ETA: Not on this site, just at shooting competitions and at the range and such.  |
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Every forum I've ever been on has it's snobs, this one is no different. My favorite snobbery, not that I've been asked, is AK snobbery. THAT is ignorant. Funny, but ignorant. I mean, it's an AK, right? It's like comparing dumptrucks. Who cares what the finish look like, a $1100.00 AK doesn't perform any better than a $300.00 WASR. No. A $1100 AK does perform better than a $300 WASR. In guns, you actually get what you pay for. |
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Quoted: They are under $400 from AIM right now. I bought mine a few months ago from them when they were still $500.Quoted: Every forum I've ever been on has it's snobs, this one is no different. My favorite snobbery, not that I've been asked, is AK snobbery. THAT is ignorant. Funny, but ignorant. I mean, it's an AK, right? It's like comparing dumptrucks. Who cares what the finish look like, a $1100.00 AK doesn't perform any better than a $300.00 WASR I wish  |
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I don't think so. A lot of people on here just like quality gear. I see very little of crapping on people's gear. They might say I would change that later, but not that it sucks balls or anything like that. This is what the tech forum is for on this site to help people and I think that the members do a good job in that area. |
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Every forum I've ever been on has it's snobs, this one is no different. My favorite snobbery, not that I've been asked, is AK snobbery. THAT is ignorant. Funny, but ignorant. I mean, it's an AK, right? It's like comparing dumptrucks. Who cares what the finish look like, a $1100.00 AK doesn't perform any better than a $300.00 WASR. No. A $1100 AK does perform better than a $300 WASR. In guns, you actually get what you pay for. Mine shot every time I squeezed the trigger, at "minute of man" accuracy. The mags locked in liked they were supposed to, and the Tapco G-2 trigger was pretty nice. Does a Kreb's or a Fuller-made AK do better than that? They might have more bells and whistles, they are definately prettier, but do they PERFORM any better? |
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May be true they have the latest high speed lot of drag gear(makes the damn gun heavy as hell for little REAL benefit)................BUT......................The sights on my Colt SP-1 or Bushy XM15E2S (A2 Clone)will never shatter lenses, run out of batteries or have their mounts broken or stripped.
There are great things to be said for the K.I.S.S. principle. |
