Posted: 10/8/2009 12:03:01 PM EDT
| I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? |
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Disinfectant of some sort (individual sealed wipes probably best?) Little burn kit as well. I wouldn't worry about the disinfectant. The term "blowout kit" seems to imply that it is a compact trauma kit, and cleanliness is at the back of the line when it comes to trauma priorities. Skip the Bandaids, Purell, Advil, tweezers, and Neosporin, and focus on gear that can be used to treat MAJOR injuries. Tourniquets, compression bandages, hemostatic agents, airway adjuncts, etc.. Add some shears, and you've got a good basic kit. |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? definitely add a tourniquet or two to the list. training is more important than gear in this area though. |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? definitely add a tourniquet or two to the list. training is more important than gear in this area though. Really the only thing I'm not that familiar with is the Celox stuff. I know how to bandage wounds, apply pressure dressings, CPR, mouth to mouth, plus some slightly more advanced stuff like starting IV's, giving injections, etc. The problem is civilians can't buy the equipment or drugs necessary to make those skills particularly useful. |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? definitely add a tourniquet or two to the list. training is more important than gear in this area though. Really the only thing I'm not that familiar with is the Celox stuff. I know how to bandage wounds, apply pressure dressings, CPR, mouth to mouth, plus some slightly more advanced stuff like starting IV's, giving injections, etc. The problem is civilians can't buy the equipment or drugs necessary to make those skills particularly useful. What kind of loadout would you be carrying if you could buy whatever you wanted? What kind of scenario are you planning for? |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? definitely add a tourniquet or two to the list. training is more important than gear in this area though. Really the only thing I'm not that familiar with is the Celox stuff. I know how to bandage wounds, apply pressure dressings, CPR, mouth to mouth, plus some slightly more advanced stuff like starting IV's, giving injections, etc. The problem is civilians can't buy the equipment or drugs necessary to make those skills particularly useful. What kind of loadout would you be carrying if you could buy whatever you wanted? What kind of scenario are you planning for? Just a personal kit to leave in my BOB. Something for treating gunshot wounds as well as other injuries one is likely to encounter. I know very little about pharmacy so that is the other reason the skills like starting IV's are not very helpful. I know how to do it, just don't know what to give 
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? definitely add a tourniquet or two to the list. training is more important than gear in this area though. Really the only thing I'm not that familiar with is the Celox stuff. I know how to bandage wounds, apply pressure dressings, CPR, mouth to mouth, plus some slightly more advanced stuff like starting IV's, giving injections, etc. The problem is civilians can't buy the equipment or drugs necessary to make those skills particularly useful. What kind of loadout would you be carrying if you could buy whatever you wanted? What kind of scenario are you planning for? Just a personal kit to leave in my BOB. Something for treating gunshot wounds as well as other injuries one is likely to encounter. I know very little about pharmacy so that is the other reason the skills like starting IV's are not very helpful. I know how to do it, just don't know what to give
If you are planning to provide care in any area where EMS response is going to happen, then you should be fine with a very basic kit that is oriented towards maintaining control of the ABCs(airway, breathing, and circulation). Being able to start an IV, decompress a chest, and intubate someone is cool and all, but BLS is what most often makes the difference. There are several threads on this subject in Tactical Gear in the Armory subforum. |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? This is a good premade kit. http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2417 You might not need the needle for tension pneumothorax, or the nasal airway thingy, but it can't hurt to have it. 
I'm building mine off one of these http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_118&products_id=2136, added or adding extra curlex, celox, glowsticks, and a mini roll of duct tape. |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? If you don't know what the essentials are you may need some training. If an ambulance will arrive in minutes then a 1st Aid class from the local fire department will be OK. As a grad I'm not a fan of the Red Cross First Aid class. If you a actually need to do real BLS then I'd recommend an 80 hour Wilderness First Responder class. I just did it in 9 days and really it's bare minimum of training. Yes there are 2 and 3 day classes but in the context of a BOB they do no get you proficient in BLS. Books give you knowledge not proficiency. |
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I'm posting from an alternate universe, wherein I can't give you the AR15.com link at the moment.
Head on over to the Armory:Tactical Gear section. There are a number of discussions on IFAKs. My bullet point opinions: Get training; wilderness or trauma medicine in particular. First Responder would be a good start. Realize that you don't want to carry an ambulance in your pocket - just enough to stabilize until able to get to higher level of care. Your IFAK is meant to be used on you - even if you don't know how to use the needle or nasal airway, someone else may come along that does. Most of my blowout kits are based on the VOK from Tactical Response. If you don't have medical training, at least strongly consider buying their Gunshot Wound Basics DVD. Bang for the buck, look into buying one of the newer surplus IFAKs you see on eBay and everywhere else. Want to spend more $$$, look into North American Rescue Products at http://www.narescue.com/. I have a couple of their casualty response kits, and they are very nice. I'm a bit of a med gear enthusiast and have several kits around. My main home or vehicle-based medic bag is set up for major traumas, but it is a bit specialized in some areas (and pretty big). HTH |
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I am looking to put together a medical kit that fits inside a 5.11 med pouch. What are some essentials? I was thinking some Celox gauze, bandages, gauze, etc. Where are some good places to get this stuff and does anyone sell pre made kits that are good? This is a good premade kit. http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2417 You might not need the needle for tension pneumothorax, or the nasal airway thingy, but it can't hurt to have it.
I'm building mine off one of these http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_118&products_id=2136, added or adding extra curlex, celox, glowsticks, and a mini roll of duct tape. another vote for the VOK here. price point is outstanding, and it solves all of the true BOK needs with one purchase. personally, i keep the BOK down to absolutely essential items. all i add is a large burn-gel dressing and a pair of EMT shears––everything else i keep in the BBK. |
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Just don't put anything in there you don't know how to use, you CAN make things worse if you don't know how to use the stuff in the kit. another topic of debate. i fall on the side of "my BOK is intended to be used on me". because of that, i keep the airway and cath in the kit, because i'd feel really, really stupid if a trained individual were present, but i didn't have the tools (though i draw the line at a certain point––i don't pack a cricoidotomy kit or anything). for a half-ounce of weight penalty, i'd rather have the tools available. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Just don't put anything in there you don't know how to use, you CAN make things worse if you don't know how to use the stuff in the kit. another topic of debate. i fall on the side of "my BOK is intended to be used on me". because of that, i keep the airway and cath in the kit, because i'd feel really, really stupid if a trained individual were present, but i didn't have the tools (though i draw the line at a certain point––i don't pack a cricoidotomy kit or anything). for a half-ounce of weight penalty, i'd rather have the tools available. I do, too. There's an ongoing discussion over here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=247358&page=5&#2575411 Here's an excerpt from my comment that I posted minutes ago. It mirrors your statement: My ATLS (Advanced Trauma Life Support) training won't do much good without the tools to implement it. If you don't have a needle, and I randomly come across you on the street with a tension pneumo, that's unfortunate. I'll know why you're dying, but only be able to watch. (OK, well maybe I'd consider something drastic like a field incisional thoracostomy - I'm probably carrying a pocket knife). |