[ARCHIVED THREAD] - So while Obama procrastinates... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/4/2009 3:10:31 AM EDT
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Another eight American service members were killed in Afghanistan overnight.
What a total tragedy and lack of concern for our men in women in unform. 
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I read this this morning as well, and my gut just clenched,,another case of rome burning while Nero Fiddles...and the number 2 spot was the wookie and the Messiah were celebrating an anniversary of thier landing on our planet..or something
the the second thing that hit me is' I keep seeing one deaad, 4 dead, 8 American Dead but I never see 30 Talliban dead, 13 al Quida killed, 25 Iranian Guard found and executed in Afagastan  once agian the press is protraying our Kids, OUR FINEST, our NATIONS WARRIORS as on the losing side, incapable of carrying out the mission..
FUCK THEM,,,,I saw this shit during NAM and all I can do is write or call in my opinion to be ignored by the LEFTIST PINHEADS who run the news mills.. coxxukers
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You don't think the Taliban and Al Queda watch CNN to see what the O administration is signaling them to do to win? I guarantee you O knows, or if he doesn't then he is incompetent to the point that he needs to be removed from office right now! He needs to be removed either way. It's too bad the Democrats are to cowardly to admit their mistake... |
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KABUL – Militant fighters streaming from an Afghan village and a mosque attacked a pair of remote outposts near the Pakistani border, killing eight U.S. soldiers and as many as seven Afghan forces in one of the fiercest battles of the eight-year war.
The Taliban claimed responsibility for the deadliest attack for coalition forces since a similar raid in July 2008 killed nine American soldiers in the same mountainous region known as an al-Qaida haven. The U.S. has already said it plans to pull its soldiers from the isolated area to focus on Afghan population centers. Fighting began around dawn Saturday and lasted several hours, punctuated by American airstrikes. Jamaludin Badar, governor of Nuristan province, said the two outposts were on a hill — one near the top and one at the foot of the slope — flanked by the village on one side and the mosque on the other. Nearly 300 militant fighters flooded the lower, Afghan outpost then swept around it to reach the American station on higher ground from both directions, said Mohammad Qasim Jangulbagh, the provincial police chief. The U.S. military statement said the Americans and Afghans repelled the attack by tribal fighters and "inflicted heavy enemy casualties." Jangulbagh said that the gunbattle included U.S. airstrikes and that 15 Afghan police were captured by the Taliban, including the local police chief and his deputy. A Taliban spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, said a council would decide the fates of the police, confirming the capture of the two top local officers. Badar said five or six Afghan soldiers died, as did one policeman. Afghan forces were sent as reinforcements, but Jangulbagh said all communications to the district, Kamdesh, were severed and he had no way of knowing how they were faring Sunday. The area is just 20 miles (30 kilometers) from the Pakistani border and 150 miles (230 kilometers) from Kabul. "This was a complex attack in a difficult area," U.S. Col. Randy George, the area commander, said in the American statement. "Both the U.S. and Afghan soldiers fought bravely together." Jangulbagh said the bodies of five enemy fighters were found after the battle. U.S. Capt. Elizabeth Mathias, a military spokeswoman, said American forces continued to man the outpost and there was scattered fighting early Sunday. She said was unclear if the attackers were Taliban or from another group linked to them. She said American officials were working with the Afghan army to relay messages to Afghan forces in the area. Separately, a roadside bomb southwest of Kabul killed a U.S. service member on Saturday, Mathias said. Nuristan, bordering Pakistan, was where a militant raid on another outpost in July 2008 claimed the lives of nine American soldiers and led to allegations of negligence by their senior commanders. Army Gen. David Petraeus last week ordered a new investigation into that fighting, in which some 200 militants armed with machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars pushed their way into the base, which is no longer operating. Badar said he had sought more security forces for Kamdesh district. He said Taliban fighters had fled to Nuristan and neighboring Kunar province after Pakistani forces drove many extremists from the Swat Valley earlier this year. "When there are few security forces, this is what happens," he said. He also complained about a lack of coordination between international forces and Afghans. The U.S. statement said the attack would not change previously announced plans to leave the area. Afghanistan's northeastern Nuristan and Kunar provinces are home to al-Qaida bases as well as those of wanted terrorist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, whose military chief Kashmir Khan has been unsuccessfully targeted by U.S. missiles over the past eight years. Kamdesh district has no regular cell phone or landline contact and few roads, dirt or paved. Local security forces communicate by handheld radio. The region was key for Arab militants who battled alongside Afghan warriors during the 1980s U.S.-backed war against invading Russians because it is a rare place in South Asia where the Wahhabi sect of Islam is practiced — the same sect followed by Osama bin Laden and most Saudis. Many Arabs remained in Afghanistan, marrying Afghans and integrating themselves into local society. Many also belonged to Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami group, now sought as terrorists by the U.S.-led coalition. Bin Laden also considered the region a useful hiding ground, his former bodyguard, Naseer Ahmed Al-Bahri, told The Associated Press in a 2006 interview in Yemen. It sits directly across the border from Pakistan's Bajaur Agency, where bin Laden's No. 2, Ayman al Zawahri, was last seen.
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Not seeing the caskets arriving now are we? What's changed?  This scheme to abdicate power and just be "one of many" may backfire. Here's one writer's opinion... Be wary, O Europe, above all, of liberal internationalist Americans bearing gifts of multilateralism. An America that does not assert, rudely and brusquely, its own interests and views first through Nato and elsewhere, an America that sings sweet songs of multilateral interdependence is, surely, a superpower that has decided to simply go along with what everyone else does, which is another way of saying it has tired of supporting the free riders, which is another way of saying that it, too, says one thing but might do another, and what it might do is not show up when the big battalions are finally needed. Prudent Europeans fear and do not trust, above all, an America that does not put its own interests first and carry the rest along in train. Re-read Raymond Aron. Europe will soon enough face an Iranian nuclear weapon along with its massive dependence upon Russian natural gas, even as its military strength declines yearly – hourly – and in important respects it is today at least arguablymore dependent on the American security guarantee, not less, than at any time since 1990. |
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You have to look at this from Obama's perspective. Those soldiers, while certainly brave, dedicated patriots, probably were not registered Demoncrats. That makes them a threat to The One. Now that they are deceased, ACORN can see to it that they ARE registered Demoncrats. Thus they are now of greater value to our Fearless Leader.
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Interestingly even some libtards at DU know more about the subject than some experts around here..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1629078 A quick google for the MSNbots (one of many results) : Link After a sea of lies and a tsunami of propaganda, the ugly truth behind the Iraq and Afghanistan wars finally emerged into full view this week. Four major western oil companies, Exxon, Mobil, Shell, BP and Total, are about to sign US-brokered no-bid contracts with the US-installed Baghdad regime to begin exploiting Iraq’s oil fields. Saddam Hussein had kicked these firms out three decades ago when he nationalized Iraq’s foreign-owned oil industry for the benefit of Iraq’s national development. The Baghdad regime is turning back the clock. This agreement comes as talks are continuing between the Washington and its Baghdad client regime over future US basing rights in Iraq. After some face-saving Iraqi objections, it is expected that Baghdad will sign a compact with Washington giving US forces control of Iraq and its air space in a manner very similar to Great Britain’s colonial arrangement with Iraq. Interestingly, the same oil companies that used to exploit Iraq when it was a British colony are now returning. As former US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan recently admitted, the Iraq war was all about oil. VP Dick Cheney stated in 2003 that the invasion of Iraq was about oil, and for the sake of Israel. Meanwhile, according to Pakistani and Indian sources, Afghanistan just signed a major deal to launch a long-planned, 1680 km long pipeline project expected to cost $ 8 billion. If completed, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline (TAPI) will export gas and, later, oil from the Caspian Basin to Pakistan’s coast where tankers will transport it to the west. The Caspian Basin located under the Central Asian states of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakkstan, holds an estimated 300 trillion cubic feet of gas and 100–200 billion barrels of oil. Securing the world’s last remaining known energy Eldorado is strategic priority for the western powers. China can only look on with envy. But there are only two practical ways to get gas and oil out of landlocked Central Asia to the sea: through Iran, or through Afghanistan to Pakistan. For Washington, Iran is tabu. That leaves Pakistan, but to get there, the planned pipeline must cross western Afghanistan, including the cities of Herat and Kandahar. In 1998, the Afghan anti-Communist movement Taliban and a western oil consortium led by the US firm UNOCAL signed a major pipeline deal. UNOCAL lavished money and attention on Taliban, flew a senior delegation to Texas, and also hired an minor Afghan official, one Hamid Karzai. Enter Osama bin Laden. He advised the unworldly Taliban leaders to reject the US deal and got them to accept a better offer from an Argentine consortium, Bridas. Washington was furious and, according to some accounts, threatened Taliban with war. In early 2001, six or seven months before 9/11, Washington made the decision to invade Afghanistan, overthrow Taliban, and install a client regime that would build the energy pipelines. But Washington still kept up sending money to Taliban until four months before 9/11 in an effort to keep it "on side" for possible use in a war or strikes against Iran. The 9/11 attacks, about which Taliban knew nothing, supplied the pretext to invade Afghanistan. The initial US operation had the legitimate objective of wiping out Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida. But after its 300 members fled to Pakistan, the US stayed on, built bases – which just happened to be adjacent to the planned pipeline route – and installed former UNOCAL"consultant" Hamid Karzai as leader. Washington disguised its energy geopolitics by claiming the Afghan occupation was to fight "Islamic terrorism," liberate women, build schools, and promote democracy. Ironically, the Soviets made exactly the same claims when they occupied Afghanistan from 1979-1989. The cover story for Iraq was weapons of mass destruction, Saddam’s supposed links to 9/11, and promoting democracy. Work will begin on the TAPI once Taliban forces are cleared from the pipeline route by US, Canadian and NATO forces. As American analyst Kevin Phillips writes, the US military and its allies have become an "energy protection force." From Washington’s viewpoint, the TAPI deal has the added benefit of scuttling another proposed pipeline project that would have delivered Iranian gas and oil to Pakistan and India. India’s energy needs are expected to triple over the next decade to 8 billion barrels of oil and 80 million cubic meters of gas daily. Delhi, which has its own designs on Afghanistan and has been stirring the pot there, is cock-a-hoop over the new pipeline plan. Russia, by contrast, is grumpy, having hoped to monopolize Central Asian energy exports. Energy is more important than blood in our modern world. The US is a great power with massive energy needs. Domination of oil is a pillar of America’s world power. Afghanistan and Iraq are all about control of oil. |
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US policy is we don't do body counts anymore. Only our own. Well that is the thing, most of us in the military would don't really want the casualty figures released because we understand most Americans don't have the stomach for war and releasing them supports the enemies BDA and their war effort. However, we also understand if we did that the same people who we say we aren't winning etc, would be asking what do we have to hide. |
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Another eight American service members were killed in Afghanistan overnight. What a total tragedy and lack of concern for our men in women in unform. He was doing something more important. He was trying to get the Olympics for Chicago. You just don't have the right priorities. |
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Interestingly even some libtards at DU know more about the subject than some experts around here.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1629078 A quick google for the MSNbots (one of many results) : Link If it was really about oil, we would be exploiting ANWAR and going full throttle with domestic oil exploration. And moving forward with breeder reactors, working on tech to exploit shale oil, etc. The simple truth is that the wars in A'stan and Iraq were about terrorism. Sometimes the simple answer is the right one, and the conspiracy theory is usually wrong. |
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First people have to admit that Pakistan is no longer our ally. It needs to be invaded. If they chose to resist us then we need to find a way to invite India to join us. Well there are quite a few things Pakistan is doing and letting us do that generally aren't in the news. The problem is the FETA is not under their control and they fear too much interference in the region will cause their government to fall installing the fundamentalist, pro-Taliban group. |
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Interestingly even some libtards at DU know more about the subject than some experts around here.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1629078 A quick google for the MSNbots (one of many results) : Link If it was really about oil, we would be exploiting ANWAR and going full throttle with domestic oil exploration. And moving forward with breeder reactors, working on tech to exploit shale oil, etc. The simple truth is that the wars in A'stan and Iraq were about terrorism. Sometimes the simple answer is the right one, and the conspiracy theory is usually wrong. Believe MSN, the .gov, what ever you like. There is no "hope", NOTHING has changed for a very, very long time and nothing is going to change anytime soon. But go get that flu shot, by all means! |
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You don't think the Taliban and Al Queda watch CNN to see what the O administration is signaling them to do to win? I guarantee you O knows, or if he doesn't then he is incompetent to the point that he needs to be removed from office right now! He needs to be removed either way. It's too bad the Democrats are to cowardly to admit their mistake... The Dims are looking at their bottom line, if he can create or allow to happen a large enough fiasco they feel that they have a lock on the government through martial law to do anything they want. |
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This is the second time that Taliban forces have amassed in large numbers and attacked a US outpost. The first time was back in July 2008 at Wanat. This one initially sounds a lot like the the attack at Wanat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wanat The attack on the American and Afghan troops began around 4:30 a.m. Taliban forces fired on the base from the village using machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades, and mortars, exploiting homes, a bazaar, and a mosque in the village as cover. Another 100 militants attacked the observation post from farmland to the east. The first RPG and machine gun fire hit the forward operating base's mortar pit, knocking out the 120mm mortars. The insurgents next destroyed the TOW truck inside the combat outpost with RPGs. The attack concentrated on the base's observation post, where nine soldiers were positioned on a tiny hill about 50 to 75 meters from the main base. Of those nine, five died, and at least three others were wounded, with four of them killed in the first 20 minutes of the battle. Three times teams of soldiers from the main base ran through Taliban fire to resupply the observation post and carry back the dead and wounded |
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This is the second time that Taliban forces have amassed in large numbers and attacked a US outpost. The first time was back in July 2008 at Wanat. This one initially sounds a lot like the the attack at Wanat. They have attempted similar at Lash Kagarh against the Brits last fall. I am interested at what comes out this on the SIPR in the next couple of weeks. The Wanat attack was organized by foreign (non-Paki/Punjabi) from the Caucasus, wonder if this is similar. |
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RIP Soldiers.
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Interestingly even some libtards at DU know more about the subject than some experts around here.. A quick google for the MSNbots (one of many results) : Link In early 2001, six or seven months before 9/11, Washington made the decision to invade Afghanistan, overthrow Taliban, and install a client regime that would build the energy pipelines. But Washington still kept up sending money to Taliban until four months before 9/11 in an effort to keep it "on side" for possible use in a war or strikes against Iran. Please tell, is this what you call knowing more than the "experts"? |
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Interestingly even some libtards at DU know more about the subject than some experts around here.. A quick google for the MSNbots (one of many results) : Link In early 2001, six or seven months before 9/11, Washington made the decision to invade Afghanistan, overthrow Taliban, and install a client regime that would build the energy pipelines. But Washington still kept up sending money to Taliban until four months before 9/11 in an effort to keep it "on side" for possible use in a war or strikes against Iran. Please tell, is this what you call knowing more than the "experts"? Now we know why Bush / Cheney caused 9/11. 
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Quoted: This isn't about lives, it's about maintaining $ per gallon. Ban him... Also, we will be revoking your Texas membership. You're doomed to live in California for 6 months. Please see EXPCustom for your indoctrination. I for once, would like to see how we are actually doing the job with the constraints and resources we have. However, that doesn't sell in the "new media". |
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Spooky should have rained death upon those two hundred Taliban. Oh, permission must be granted by Obama before Spooky can shoot and we mustn't wake him up, must we? Actually, Spooky was present. I'm not going to go into the details, but once the attack kicked off, there was very little support which was not made available. By way of example, over 18 tons of bombs were dropped. Ultimately, when you get that amount of people shooting at your unit, no matter how bad shots they may be, eventually the opposition will get kills. It's only a matter of expending the ammo. NTM |
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Quoted: Glad to hear they got what they needed, still would like to know more details, please.Actually, Spooky was present. I'm not going to go into the details, but once the attack kicked off, there was very little support which was not made available. By way of example, over 18 tons of bombs were dropped. Ultimately, when you get that amount of people shooting at your unit, no matter how bad shots they may be, eventually the opposition will get kills. It's only a matter of expending the ammo. NTM |