[ARCHIVED THREAD] - fist fight while armed (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 10/3/2009 10:56:58 AM EDT
| I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot? If by chance I get into a fight with someone should I wait until I'm having my ass handed to me, by then it might be too late to draw. If it's a good old fashioned fight how much trouble could I get in for drawing the weapon? |
| I am an easy going person I don't start problems and I've only been in 3 real fights, last one was 18 years ago. I'm just asking if some asshole started a problem, maybe starting shit with my wife, maybe he hits my car. You know the kind of shit you can't predict and you don't start. I'm not talkink about a puffed up chest and acting like a bad ass. |
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I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot?... I read that far and determined you probably shouldn't be carrying anyway.... 
I know when to shoot when it's a life threatening situation but what about stopping a conflict, before it goes too far? |
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I am an easy going person I don't start problems and I've only been in 3 real fights, last one was 18 years ago. I'm just asking if some asshole started a problem, maybe starting shit with my wife, maybe he hits my car. You know the kind of shit you can't predict and you don't start. I'm not talkink about a puffed up chest and acting like a bad ass. Another .
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I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot?... I read that far and determined you probably shouldn't be carrying anyway....
I know when to shoot when it's a life threatening situation but what about stopping a conflict, before it goes too far? i believe you're missing a vital observation |
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If it's an even fight, or even a semi-fair fight, deadly force is not justified.
If you are outnumbered or you are an 85lb woman being attacked by a gorilla then deadly force is justified. If you are in a fair fight, your opponent notices that you are carrying and makes an attempt to grab your weapon, you may use deadly force. It all depends on state law. Here in AZ brandishing (sorry, "display of a firearm for defensive purposes") just became legal. I try not to get in confrontations higher than friendly wrestling matches. If it came to such a fight I would make every attempt to deescalate and/or safely leave before even throwing a punch, let alone bringing out a carry gun. You can't shoot someone because they backed into your car in a parking lot. |
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I am an easy going person I don't start problems and I've only been in 3 real fights, last one was 18 years ago. I'm just asking if some asshole started a problem, maybe starting shit with my wife, maybe he hits my car. You know the kind of shit you can't predict and you don't start. I'm not talkink about a puffed up chest and acting like a bad ass. Yeah...that would be justified...
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I am an easy going person I don't start problems and I've only been in 3 real fights, last one was 18 years ago. I'm just asking if some asshole started a problem, maybe starting shit with my wife, maybe he hits my car. You know the kind of shit you can't predict and you don't start. I'm not talkink about a puffed up chest and acting like a bad ass. 
and this is you saving face. No offense but you are clueless. Probably shouldn't carry a gun. |
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I am an easy going person I don't start problems and I've only been in 3 real fights, last one was 18 years ago. I'm just asking if some asshole started a problem, maybe starting shit with my wife, maybe he hits my car. You know the kind of shit you can't predict and you don't start. I'm not talkink about a puffed up chest and acting like a bad ass. Yeah...that would be justified...
I think you missed what he is saying. He's saying if some asshole hits his car, and started a fight with OP over it. Not him starting a fight or shooting someone over the car. |
| I wouldn't pull my gun out unless I felt like I was justified in using deadly force (ie a serious threat of death or great bodily harm to me or someone else, or to stop a forcible felony). Anything else is called brandishing and will lead to a trip to jail as well as revocation of your ccw. Avoid getting into a "fight" while armed. If you are assaulted, that's a different matter. |
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If you pull out a gun during a fist fight and the other guy is unarmed, you're a pussy. Abso-fucking-lutely. That 87 year old man on a walker had no business whatsover pulling his pistol out on the 26 year old trained boxer that was trying to push his nose bones down his throat. Why, that old man deserves to have his man card revoked for such wimpy, pussy like behavior. He should have put up his dukes and knocked that kid into next Tuesday! |
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OP, I would get with someone you know who is a LEO for some pointers. Or take some classes.
Either way, when you're armed you need to remember to keep your head. There are a lot of variables to consider ahead of time. And in the end it comes down to a judgement call on whether you are in fear for your life, of the life of another. |
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If your asking this on here, you should not be carrying a firearm since you will probably get yourself in a shitload of problems you dont want or need.
I would recommend you either calm down and avoid fighting at all costs or continue to fight whenever without your firearm with you. I used to do a lot of fighting, since Im full of piss and vinegar, but getting my CCW permit has honestly calmed me down 100%. I have eaten crow tons due to the simple legal implications and possible jail for using my firearm in the worng situations, such as your talking about of just an ordinary fist fight or street fight. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you pull out a gun during a fist fight and the other guy is unarmed, you're a pussy. Abso-fucking-lutely. That 87 year old man on a walker had no business whatsover pulling his pistol out on the 26 year old trained boxer that was trying to push his nose bones down his throat. Why, that old man deserves to have his man card revoked for such wimpy, pussy like behavior. He should have put up his dukes and knocked that kid into next Tuesday! Thanks for your contribution, drama queen. Could you have given a more over the top example? Maybe the old man should be blind and have one arm. |
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Some of you guys are fuckin stupid.
OP, I get what your trying to say. If you are carrying and some asshole starts to instigate a fight, then unfortunately you really need to just back down. It's not smart to get into a fist fight while you have a gun on your hip. I will assume you know when it's ok to use deadly force. If your the type that just can't back down, then don't carry bro. |
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WTF is wrong with some of you people? Pull a gun in a simple fist fight? If somebody hits your car? What's next, you going to draw down if somebody 'disses' your woman?  Here's an idea: If you're in a fair fight and get your ass kicked, suck it the fuck up, take your licks and move on. Better yet, why not make an attempt to learn the law as it pertains to the use of deadly force in your state. There's a certain thing called 'responsibility' that comes with carrying a firearm... Learn what it means... |
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If you pull out a gun during a fist fight and the other guy is unarmed, you're a pussy. Abso-fucking-lutely. That 87 year old man on a walker had no business whatsover pulling his pistol out on the 26 year old trained boxer that was trying to push his nose bones down his throat. Why, that old man deserves to have his man card revoked for such wimpy, pussy like behavior. He should have put up his dukes and knocked that kid into next Tuesday! I agree. Making a blanket statement saying someone's a pussy because they pulled a gun during a fist-fight is ignoring the specific circumstances. |
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Quoted: WTF is wrong with some of you people? Pull a gun in a simple fist fight? If somebody hits your car? What's next, you going to draw down if somebody 'disses' your woman? Here's an idea: If you're in a fair fight and get your ass kicked, suck it the fuck up, take your licks and move on... Better yet, why not make an attempt to learn the law as it pertains to the use of deadly force in your state. There's a certain thing called 'responsibility' that comes with carrying a firearm... Learn what it means... I saw a guy in Chicago get his neck broken. He got hit once and fell down some subway steps. I saw another guy get hit in the face, fall down and hit his head on the concrete. I heard later he was in a coma. A third guy was pushed out into traffic and got hit by a cab driver. His legs were broken instantly. I'm not going out like that. |
| Let me explain something. I'm not claiming to be the next Kimbo Slice, but I work out just as much as the average fit guy. I have no doubt that a punch from me to the head of someone else has at least a 10% chance of killing them. A "normal fist fight" IS DEADLY FORCE, weather you realize it or not. If you feel that you need to throw a punch, draw down. If it is worth killing, use the best tool you have, if not, keep your gun concealed and your hands down. |
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If you pull out a gun during a fist fight and the other guy is unarmed, you're a pussy. Yeah, OK. Plenty of people have died in "Fist fights" the old school way of thinking when it comes to a fight is retarded these days. If you think there is a possibility of bodily harm, take every advantage. Never level the playing field in any fight, thats a good way to die.
Unless my attacker is totally naked, I don't know if he has a gun or knife anyway. So when in doubt, I whip it out. I'll deal with any consequences later without my ass having been kicked. Thats why I carry a gun, to avoid shit like that. |
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I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot? Good point. 
ETA: My original points still stand. Don't get into any fist fight while you are carrying. Avoid it at all costs. Even if it takes running away. If you're the type that can't do that, don't carry a gun. |
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I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot? If by chance I get into a fight with someone should I wait until I'm having my ass handed to me, by then it might be too late to draw. If it's a good old fashioned fight how much trouble could I get in for drawing the weapon? agg assault. |
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Quoted: Every fight, by its very nature, has a certain amount of risk to it. When armed, the better part of valor is to avoid them and walk away. It comes with the added responsibility of being a gun owner........ If you draw down and shoot everybody that throws a punch at you, then be prepared to face the consequences. I've seen countless people locked up for pulling knives, guns and other deadly weapons because they couldn't handle a simple fist fight. You'll just be another on that long list.Quoted: WTF is wrong with some of you people? Pull a gun in a simple fist fight? If somebody hits your car? What's next, you going to draw down if somebody 'disses' your woman? Here's an idea: If you're in a fair fight and get your ass kicked, suck it the fuck up, take your licks and move on... Better yet, why not make an attempt to learn the law as it pertains to the use of deadly force in your state. There's a certain thing called 'responsibility' that comes with carrying a firearm... Learn what it means... I saw a guy in Chicago get his neck broken. He got hit once and fell down some subway steps. I saw another guy get hit in the face, fall down and hit his head on the concrete. I heard later he was in a coma. A third guy was pushed out into traffic and got hit by a cab driver. His legs were broken instantly. I'm not going out like that. |
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only way I would ever draw on an unarmed person would be if there was 5 of them and I was on the ground having my head stomped in. This was after I ran a full block from them and they still caught me. (this has happened to me, it was before I was a gun owner. and if anyone cares..... 2 bones were broken in my face including my jaw, I was 15 yrs old, one of the sinuses in my face still has problems) fist fight with one unarmed person? either run away or tell him you will be right back (lol) and go put your "burner" in your car. :P |
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Also, at least around here, the homies who like to fight don't do it alone. They have one aggressor usually, and his brothas circle around and back him up if he starts to get his ass beat. Then they all start jumping and kicking like a pack of goddam monkeys when you are down on the ground, so maybe pulling a gun out in the early stages of a "Fight" would discourage your attackers.
Bottom line is this: Don't bring your fist to my gun fight. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Every fight, by its very nature, has a certain amount of risk to it. When armed, the better part of valor is to avoid them and walk away. It comes with the added responsibility of being a gun owner........ If you draw down and shoot everybody that throws a punch at you, then be prepared to face the consequences. I've seen countless people locked up for pulling knives, guns and other deadly weapons because they couldn't handle a simple fist fight. You'll just be another on that long list.Quoted: WTF is wrong with some of you people? Pull a gun in a simple fist fight? If somebody hits your car? What's next, you going to draw down if somebody 'disses' your woman? Here's an idea: If you're in a fair fight and get your ass kicked, suck it the fuck up, take your licks and move on... Better yet, why not make an attempt to learn the law as it pertains to the use of deadly force in your state. There's a certain thing called 'responsibility' that comes with carrying a firearm... Learn what it means... I saw a guy in Chicago get his neck broken. He got hit once and fell down some subway steps. I saw another guy get hit in the face, fall down and hit his head on the concrete. I heard later he was in a coma. A third guy was pushed out into traffic and got hit by a cab driver. His legs were broken instantly. I'm not going out like that. Whatever happens later, happens later. It won't save me from getting my head split open or dying at that moment. All I have to legally be in fear of in order to use deadly force in my state is "serious bodily injury". I can do a pretty good job of articulating that fear. Now, I'll always try to walk away; as I am not out there wanting to kill anybody. But I will NEVER turn my back on my enemy and run. People like to advocate turning your back and running, as though the bad guy can't just run after you, and probably catch you, and shove a kitchen knife in your back. We're not all young, marathon running Navy SEALs, you know. |
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Avoid physical altercations of any kind while carrying. From a LEO perspective I would say many officers are shot with and struggle for their own firearm. I can also confidently say it has cost many an officer his life as well. Their job is different than a citizen carrying. Avoid physical altercations of any kind when carrying. |
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Originally Posted By -GunNutJuell
Yeah, OK. Plenty of people have died in "Fist fights" the old school way of thinking when it comes to a fight is retarded these days. If you think there is a possibility of bodily harm, take every advantage. Never level the playing field in any fight, thats a good way to die.
Unless my attacker is totally naked, I don't know if he has a gun or knife anyway. So when in doubt, I whip it out. I'll deal with any consequences later without my ass having been kicked. Thats why I carry a gun, to avoid shit like that. I seriously hope you are kidding. I do hope ou do not get yourself in trouble for such a foolish way of looking at carrying. Countless street fights and if you know how to fight.....you should be A ok in the evnt you have to face a person in some bullshit consequence. Your advice or whatever your offering is going to get people in jail or dead possibly yourself included. ETA: Gun all your worldy advice about homies etc, are actually isolated incidents. If your worried about a street fight with 5 or more people, you should probably rethink the area you are in. I honestly hope you use some common sense when your out and about and stay out of jail. |
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Quoted: I carry almost everywhere I go. When is it appropriate to pull and shoot? If by chance I get into a fight with someone should I wait until I'm having my ass handed to me, by then it might be too late to draw. If it's a good old fashioned fight how much trouble could I get in for drawing the weapon? The step-by-step proper way to handle a situation like this, is: 1. Signal a time-out. 2. Turn towards your bodyguards. 3. Give them the "no interference" sign. 4. Unholster both of your Desert Eagle .50s 5. Toss them to one of your bodyguards. 6. Turn towards your opponent and signal "time in." 7. Proceed to get the everlovin' shit kicked out of you. 8. When you wake up in the hospital, (and you should wake up b/c your bodyguards not wanting to lose a paycheck would step in shortly before you took a fatal beating) you'll have many months in static traction to reflect on "Why did I even bother to get a CCW?" Seriously, a fistfight while carrying? Bottom line, when you're carrying a weapon you truly hold the power of life and death over others. If you're asking questions like this and they're not in jest, you might not be ready for this kind of responsibility. |