[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shot Nazis? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/20/2009 7:04:50 AM EDT
| I have a Mosin Nagant made in 1943, any way to know if it killed Nazis? |
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Take the bolt to a psychic. +1 This is probably your best bet 
You might be able to see if you can contact the military and see who the gun was issued to via the serial number. You might be able to see what happened to its owner(s) botd pic removed...tbs |
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so no real chance of knowing? Is this a seriuos question? Get a hold of the KGB, give them the serial number, they can search their files archives and figure out which soldier used it. From here they can take a rubber hose to his house and make he talk and tell what he did with it. Other than that, come on man.
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| Russians didn't keep very accurate records back then. If there was any sort of serial at the time of manufacture, you might be able to find out when and where it was issued, maybe even the unit, but that's about it. War guns are amazing pieces of history. I have 1911's that belonged to each of my grandfathers. One went with my mom's father on bomber missions over Europe, where he served as a navigator on a B-17, and was no doubt a great comfort to him through some scary times. The other went island hoping with my dad's father with the 2nd Marines, making stops at Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan and Okinawa. It also accompanied him to Korea and Lebanon, and was carried as his duty weapon as a Philadelphia detective. Those two pistols are probably the only things I'd grab if my house caught on fire. |
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Sure, Nazi's, civilians, Polish men women & children, Ukrainians, lots of German civilians and then it spent the next 10 years shooting Russians. Not so much a serious question people, come on, I was just daydreaming and tossed it out there....But this is the best answer and satisfies at least my sense of humor. |
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The sell Luminal for tracking downed game. Take off the wood and see if you get a hit on the end grain or in a crack. Most peasants were butchered with the bayonet to save ammo. Thats an interesting idea - haven't thought of doing this on a rifle. Age might be a factor in any sign - correct? |
| New opressive internet game...... pull the DNA from your blood soaked stock and see if you are just as fucked today as the previous guests of the one way view..............There were probably more civllians killed in the ETO than soldiers at some point. Sad commentary but we were just as good or bad as the axis powers. Getting to the facts it was the kill everyting that moved view that helped the army get through, sometimes on reputation alone, that eventually saved lives. |
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Here's another thought.
How do you know it didn't kill innocent people? How do you know it wasn't held by some guard at a gulag as he worked political prisoners to death? How do we know if barrack obama's grandfather didn't use it to "liberate" aushwitz? And by "liberate" I mean rape and murder it's prisoners. After all, far more people where killed by the soviet union during peace time, than EVERYONE in world war 2, let alone only nazis. |
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Weren't there pretty much more rifles produced than there were infantrymen anyway? Quite the opposite. The Soviets had millions of conscripts. The opening scene in "Enemy At The Gates" is actually pretty accurate (about the only accurate part in the whole movie) to the early part of the war, the Soviets only had enough rifles for about half of there soldiers, so every other man would get a rifle, and the next man was told to follow the one with the rifle, when the one with the rifle was killed he was to take the rifle. Later in the war the situation improved as supply caught up, but they still didn't exactly have a surplus of Rifles. Because of the Soviets early supply issues, I would say that if your rifle were issued in 1942, or earlier it's virtually guaranteed to have seen action. 1942 was probably the worst year for supply, and you can see it in Rifles dated to that year, machining marks are very visible, and the whole thing is very crudely machined almost like it was chiseled out by hand, you can almost see the machines bit wobbling around the parts as there hurried out, production demand were so high then, the factory workers were litterly worked to death, when they died at there machines there bodies were dragged outside a new worker was grabbed off the street, and replaced them before there seat was even cold, adding to the problem was that the Tula factory had to be evacuated after the Germans over ran the area, and set up again in a temporary facilities on the other side of the Ural Mountains, the fighting was literally just outside the factory doors. The situation began to improve in 1943, and was pretty much solved by 1944, but the finished Rifles would have still gone directly to the front. The Soviets were still involved in very heavy fighting up to the end of the war in 1945. |
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It's kinda cool to think about, but the chances are slim.....
THere were like 3.5 million germans killed in the war, and there were about 20 million mosins made in the same time period. On top of that, not that many of them were killed with rifles. Alot of it was machine guns, mortars, and artillery. Most likely your rifle killed a Russian or eastern European cilvilian rather than a German soldier.
On the other hand, a Russian capture 98k is probably fairly likely to have killed someone (relatively speaking.) The germans killed 7 million Russian soldiers, not including the millions of civilians that died at their hands. Out of the five 98k's that my father and I own, two of them have heavy pitting on the reciever in small areas, but the rest of the rifle is in great shape. It may be blood pitting, it may not be. There's no way to tell. HOWEVER, odds are if you collect enough of these things, it's fairly likely at some point you will get one that has killed somebody. |
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Only one way, man: Seance! Join hands 'round the table with the Nagant laying in the middle, and chant like Bullwinkle; "Heebie jeebie, chilly beebie, the spirits are about to speak!" Then, ask for a sign. Or, Moisin-Ouija (that should be self-explanatory). Either way, post AAR in Swindle's 'Creepy Thread'.  |
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The OP was definitely wistfully daydreaming. As previous posters have stated the earlier the production year the increased chance of at least seeing use on the eastern front.
As far as figuring out where each rifle or batch went.... good luck. The records were lost, destroyed or never existed for many of these. Heck the Russians don't even know how many mosins were built during WWII |
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Manufactured in 1943? It probably was shot AT a Nazi, but considering the quality of training and marksmanship Soviet conscripts went through, there's no guarantee they HIT a Nazi.
My M91-30 was made in 1943 as well. I hope it's got a couple Nazi motherfuckers to its name, but I'll never know. |
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Ironically it probably shot more russians than nazis. this, so you should be proud for killing commies and nazis. If I wanted a gun that killed commies, I'd hunt down a Finnish Mosin. 
The last Finn I spoke to, I actually thanked him on behalf of his people for killing Soviets by the job lot. He quite pleasantly told me I was welcome and they would gladly do it again. 
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I own a rifle with hash marks cut into the grip..seven of them......it also has" Ich hole Tod" carved into the butt stock...Mauser btw. eta pic http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL611/2657297/5302578/112922908.jpg "I bring death", yes? |