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8/10/2009 1:43:35 PM EDT
I cant believe this shit right after the attorney general said it is ok to do so. This is so infuriating a just blew a gasket.
MADISON (WKOW) –– What began as a political statement turned into a disorderly conduct citation in Madison over the weekend.

Around 5:15 p.m. on Saturday, a concerned citizen called police to report a man walking toward State Street with a holstered gun on his hip.

Officers tracked him down on S. Carroll St. where he told them he was making a political statement about the rights of citizens to openly carry firearms.

But police cited him for disorderly conduct because of the fact his actions were disturbing other citizens. An officer drove the man to his home to he could put the gun away.

Fucking communist Madison WI. We need to get rid of that piece of shit Doyle and soon. Sorry but this will be a dupe in the hometown forum as well. I asked about it at work the other day and they said not while I am on there clock. I wish i could say rant over But I cant! I am not threw with this yet! Thanks for letting me vent a little.


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8/10/2009 1:45:08 PM EDT
[#1]
Its the same in lots of other states.

Here in Ohio open carry is legal, but from what i have herd, you get hasled by the cops if you do it
8/10/2009 1:47:32 PM EDT
[#2]
I moved for work, not sure if I'll ever go back. I like a lot of things about WI, but there is a lot that could get better.  At least crime is low enough in most parts of the state that you stand a chance without a handgun.



Around here I feel naked driving to and from the Navy base, no weapons allowed
First thing I do when I get home is strap on my XD. Too many crazies out here.
8/10/2009 1:48:39 PM EDT
[#3]



Quoted:


Its the same in lots of other states.



Here in Ohio open carry is legal, but from what i have herd, you get hasled by the cops if you do it


Depends GREATLY on where you're at in Ohio.



 
8/10/2009 1:53:20 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I cant believe this shit right after the attorney general said it is ok to do so. This is so infuriating a just blew a gasket.
MADISON (WKOW) –– What began as a political statement turned into a disorderly conduct citation in Madison over the weekend.

Around 5:15 p.m. on Saturday, a concerned citizen called police to report a man walking toward State Street with a holstered gun on his hip.

Officers tracked him down on S. Carroll St. where he told them he was making a political statement about the rights of citizens to openly carry firearms.

But police cited him for disorderly conduct because of the fact his actions were disturbing other citizens. An officer drove the man to his home to he could put the gun away.

Fucking communist Madison WI. We need to get rid of that piece of shit Doyle and soon. Sorry but this will be a dupe in the hometown forum as well. I asked about it at work the other day and they said not while I am on there clock. I wish i could say rant over But I cant! I am not threw with this yet! Thanks for letting me vent a little.


So why don't you people do like the people in Ohio did and have open carry walks.  If you get lots of people together, the cops won't be able to ticket all of them.  If they do, everyone request a jury trial, and then if found guilty, ask to spend time in jail instead of paying a fine.  You can beat these guys, you just have to have some commitment.  Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
8/10/2009 1:54:04 PM EDT
[#5]
In before the topic change.
8/10/2009 1:55:46 PM EDT
[#6]
The people of WI do not deserve the kind of treatment they have been getting for a long time. Fuck any state govt that goes out of it's way to leave its law abiding citizens defenseless.
8/10/2009 1:58:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Texas is not much different. Even there is no law against OC anyone who is open carrying and doesn't appear to be a cop will not be doing it for long in most cities. Our state is changing thanks to the influx of liberals, illegals, and democratic voting ethnic groups (I'll let you figure that one out).
8/10/2009 2:02:33 PM EDT
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Texas is not much different. Even there is no law against OC.....


There is a law against OC of PISTOLS in Texas.

Since the subject of this thread was about pistols I thought that was relevant to bring up.
8/10/2009 2:07:56 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Texas is not much different. Even there is no law against OC anyone who is open carrying and doesn't appear to be a cop will not be doing it for long in most cities. Our state is changing thanks to the influx of liberals, illegals, and democratic voting ethnic groups (I'll let you figure that one out).
It is NOT LEGAL to open carry a handgun in Texas. OC on your own property and hunting have different rules, I believe.

OC of long guns is legal.  

8/10/2009 2:09:00 PM EDT
[#10]
It wasn't so very long ago I lived in Texas, Austin area.
You could have a locked and loaded full auto M16 hanging in your pick-up truck window rack and that was legal.

If you had an unloaded .25 auto in the glovebox, that was a felony.

Illinois does not have a law against open carry yet if you do so in public they will cite you for disorderly conduct, and one wrong word the the invetigating officer will get you a disrespect to a police officer charge.

If they can't get you one way, they will get you another.
8/10/2009 2:10:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Its the same in lots of other states.

Here in Ohio open carry is legal, but from what i have herd, you get hasled by the cops if you do it


Yes, it even happens in Kentucky.

8/10/2009 2:11:20 PM EDT
[#12]
I am so glad I live in AZ, OC is not only preempted statewide, but it is common and the cops are familiar with the laws regarding it.
8/10/2009 2:12:16 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
It wasn't so very long ago I lived in Texas, Austin area.
You could have a locked and loaded full auto M16 hanging in your pick-up truck window rack and that was legal.

If you had an unloaded .25 auto in the glovebox, that was a felony.

Illinois does not have a law against open carry yet if you do so in public they will cite you for disorderly conduct, and one wrong word the the invetigating officer will get you a disrespect to a police officer charge.

If they can't get you one way, they will get you another.

It is now legal to have a loaded pistol in your car as long as it isn't in open view.
8/10/2009 2:15:15 PM EDT
[#14]
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Illinois does not have a law against open carry yet if you do so in public they will cite you for disorderly conduct...


In a vehicle they do not allow any carry.

8/10/2009 2:21:53 PM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


In before the topic change.


A peaceful man walking down the street (gun or no gun) is not "disorderly conduct"!




 
8/10/2009 2:23:34 PM EDT
[#16]



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Quoted:

In before the topic change.


A peaceful man walking down the street (gun or no gun) is not "disorderly conduct"!


 


Yep.  He wasn't doing anything to disturb anyone else.  His actions were entirely legal.  



I'd contest the charges.  It's not MY fault if my LEGAL actions make someone else wet their pants.  



 
8/10/2009 2:25:15 PM EDT
[#17]



If I exercise my first amendment rights and carry some sort of protest sign and it upsets people, can I be cited for disorderly conduct?

8/10/2009 2:26:09 PM EDT
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If I exercise my first amendment rights and carry some sort of protest sign and it upsets people, can I be cited for disorderly conduct?



By this standard I would say YES.




 
8/10/2009 2:26:44 PM EDT
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The people of WI do not deserve the kind of treatment they have been getting for a long time. Fuck any state govt that goes out of it's way to leave its law abiding citizens defenseless.


Agreed, except in Green Bay fuck the Packers.




 
8/10/2009 2:32:18 PM EDT
[#20]
IBTC
8/10/2009 2:37:20 PM EDT
[#21]
I agree, people of those states need to form a OC walk or something...
8/10/2009 2:43:02 PM EDT
[#22]
He needs to contest the charges and then walk circles around the police station with a gun on his hip and a sign saying exactly what they did after he wins.
8/10/2009 2:44:00 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:

Quoted:
In before the topic change.

A peaceful man walking down the street (gun or no gun) is not "disorderly conduct"!
 


In Michigan, we had to have the State Police send a bulletin to all local units of LE to tell them that OC was legal, then follow it up a month later to "educate" them that OC was not "brandishing" or Disorderly Conduct. OC isn't a big deal outside of big cities, but I'd bet we'll see a law as soon as some retard OC's his AK underfolder to the mall.

ETA: I'll begrudgingly admit it was due to the efforts of the OC crowd here in MI, but I think that they have been "poking the bear" since then.
8/10/2009 2:48:57 PM EDT
[#24]



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Texas is not much different. Even there is no law against OC anyone who is open carrying and doesn't appear to be a cop will not be doing it for long in most cities. Our state is changing thanks to the influx of liberals, illegals, and democratic voting ethnic groups (I'll let you figure that one out).






Hey, I didn't bring any of that with me!  I wiped my shoes in Oklahoma before entering the state.



 
8/10/2009 2:52:40 PM EDT
[#25]



Quoted:



Quoted:


Quoted:

In before the topic change.
A peaceful man walking down the street (gun or no gun) is not "disorderly conduct"!


 
In Michigan, we had to have the State Police send a bulletin to all local units of LE to tell them that OC was legal, then follow it up a month later to "educate" them that OC was not "brandishing" or Disorderly Conduct. OC isn't a big deal outside of big cities, but I'd bet we'll see a law as soon as some retard OC's his AK underfolder to the mall.



ETA: I'll begrudgingly admit it was due to the efforts of the OC crowd here in MI, but I think that they have been "poking the bear" since then.


You can't kill the bear unless you poke it a few times with a sharp stick.




 
8/10/2009 3:16:51 PM EDT
[#26]
I didn't think you could carry at all in WI??
8/11/2009 2:17:08 AM EDT
[#27]
Now the rest of the story

MADISON (WKOW) –– A UW-Madison graduate student says he will fight a ticket he received last weekend after walking through the downtown area carrying a gun in broad daylight.

Travis Yates asked us not to show his face, but agreed to show the gun that got him ticketed.

"It's just your typical run of the mill handgun that most people would want to buy for self defense," he said of the .9 semiautomatic weapon. "I always try to keep the shirt off of it so it doesn't conceal it."

It was like that on his right hip when he walked about a dozen blocks early Saturday evening from his home east of the Capitol to halfway down State Street. Yates said he never took it out of the holster, but someone called police.

An arriving officer handcuffed him, then took him back to his home and eventually cited him with disorderly conduct.

Yates called his protest proof that Wisconsin's ban against concealed carry creates a Catch-22.

"If I were concealing it in my backpack, nobody would have seen it, but then it's concealed," he said. "You're damned if you do, damned if you don't."

"We can't just theoretically have the right to defend ourselves," he added. "It has to be an actual right, people have to do it."

This walk through Wisconsin's gun laws comes three months after Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen issued an advisory to the state's district attorneys, asking them to consider circumstances before charging someone who openly carries with disorderly conduct. That memorandum was issued following an incident in West Allis in February in which a homeowner was charged after a neighbor saw him walking on his lawn with a gun in plain view.

Madison Police Captain Victor Wahl wrote in a internal newsletter this spring that police procedures likely won't change, and that "the location of the incident, the behavior of the suspect and the reactions of the witnesses will all be relevant to this determination."

People downtown on Monday were mixed on how they would react.

"I'd still be concerned if it wasn't law enforcement because what happens if I accidentally bump into him," said Chris Dwight, who was visiting from Seattle. "What's the reaction going to be?"

UW-Whitewater sophomore Matt Seefeldt said it would depend on how the person was acting with the weapon. "If he was waving it around I would call, but if it was on his hip, I would still be worried, but I wouldn't freak out that much about it."

"It's not my fault that somebody gets scared by me exercising my rights," said Yates. "I don't know if they're honestly scared. I don't know if they honestly felt like something bad was going to happen."

Yates said he understands if someone calls his actions in, but would like dispatchers or police to ask more questions about why that person is openly carrying a gun before handcuffing and ticketing them with disorderly conduct. He said he spent months studying Wisconsin's gun laws before deciding to make his protest. In fact, he had a copy of them in his pocket to show the responding officer.

Madison city attorney Michael May declined comment on this case at this time.

Yates' court date is set for September. He faces a $429 fine.

Email Carl Agnelly at [email protected]
8/11/2009 2:51:04 AM EDT
[#28]



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Quoted:

Its the same in lots of other states.



Here in Ohio open carry is legal, but from what i have herd, you get hasled by the cops if you do it


Depends GREATLY on where you're at in Ohio.

 


Much like WI.




 
8/11/2009 2:54:23 AM EDT
[#29]



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So why don't you people do like the people in Ohio did and have open carry walks.  If you get lots of people together, the cops won't be able to ticket all of them.  If they do, everyone request a jury trial, and then if found guilty, ask to spend time in jail instead of paying a fine.  You can beat these guys, you just have to have some commitment.  Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.


He wasn't charged with a crime.  He was charged with a civil forfeiture. There is no jail time associated with it.  He either pays the fine, or his Drivers License gets suspended. (If he is found guilty)



 
8/11/2009 3:06:46 AM EDT
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In before the title change
8/11/2009 3:21:50 AM EDT
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In before the title change




8/11/2009 3:27:44 AM EDT
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In before the title change
This.





 
8/11/2009 3:32:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:

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In before the title change
This.

 


mods sleeping?
8/11/2009 3:33:25 AM EDT
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In before the title change


Meh, keep the title...

 



I'm pretty fucking pissed off at my state too
8/11/2009 3:33:52 AM EDT
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In before the topic change.


8/11/2009 3:34:47 AM EDT
[#36]
Is this a new record?

Mods must be asleep or something.