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I just bought The Borg Fan Collective on DVD today and watched all of the Voyager episodes while I was working and I have a question.
In the episode End Game they seem to get back home and destroy The Borg with a virus. So was that it? The final end of The Borg? |
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Some say yes, some say no, that was the death of that particular group, since we've seen the Borg Queen "die" before.
I hope "no". Lame way to kill off the best villian in Star Trek. 'Course it doesn't really matter since they've rebooted the franchise. In the new timeline there may not even be a Voyager. |
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Some say yes, some say no, that was the death of that particular group, since we've seen the Borg Queen "die" before. I hope "no". Lame way to kill off the best villian in Star Trek. 'Course it doesn't really matter since they've rebooted the franchise. In the new timeline there may not even be a Voyager. In the new version if there was a voyager it would have 5x the armor be 5x larger and have 5x as much weaponry. Making anything in the next quadrant there bitch. |
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A similar thing happened in the TNG episode where they implanted the logic bomb into the borg they captured/rescued.
Data's evil brother lore was able to exploit the leaderless Borg into doing his will. In my opinion, the borg once again were decapitated but nonetheless pose a risk to the Federation. |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened.
The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. |
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I don't think so. No major character ever dies in Star Trek.  Kirk did. So did Data, and although I never watched DS9, I thought the last episode had Sisko roll off the edge into a pit of lava? That might have just been a season cliffhanger, though. Tasha Yar died, Jadzia Dax died, Harry Kim died. Rachel Garret and the entire crew of her ship. Sarek, Amanda Grayson. Kes ostensibly "transformed", but it could be counted as dying, too. That's not counting the legions of nameless red-shirts, either. 
If you toss in non-canon books (especially Shatner's stuff), the body count goes way up. Picard dies in one of the Q-focused books too, smashed like a grape like the guy at the end of the new SAW movie. |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Then John Crighton came by via a worm hole and created a black hole then got the fuck outta there. |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Then John Crighton came by via a worm hole and created a black hole then got the fuck outta there. While this was going on, a T-800 went back in time and killed the young John Crichton; therefore, the worm hole was never formed. |
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I don't think so. No major character ever dies in Star Trek. Kirk did. So did Data, and although I never watched DS9, I thought the last episode had Sisko roll off the edge into a pit of lava? That might have just been a season cliffhanger, though. Tasha Yar died, Jadzia Dax died, Harry Kim died. Rachel Garret and the entire crew of her ship. Sarek, Amanda Grayson. Kes ostensibly "transformed", but it could be counted as dying, too. That's not counting the legions of nameless red-shirts, either.
If you toss in non-canon books (especially Shatner's stuff), the body count goes way up. Picard dies in one of the Q-focused books too, smashed like a grape like the guy at the end of the new SAW movie.  I may have to find that book.
And if you're really counting the crew of the Enterprise-D died 17 times in one episode, and Tasha Yar was actually killed three times ("Skin Of Evil", implied in "Redemption Part II", and "...All Good Things Part II"). Wesley Crusher was also impaled through the back with a bayonet in, "Hide And Q" 
ETA: Almost forgot about Picard "dying" from a phaser blast to the artificial heart in "Tapestry". |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Honestly, there have been so many crossover things, timelines, blah, blah, that I don't even know if you are joking or not... |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Then John Crighton came by via a worm hole and created a black hole then got the fuck outta there. While this was going on, a T-800 went back in time and killed the young John Crichton; therefore, the worm hole was never formed. It did happen. Crighton can also travel through time as well as between alternate universes. A dead crighton would create a new time line. |
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I don't think so. No major character ever dies in Star Trek. Kirk did. So did Data, and although I never watched DS9, I thought the last episode had Sisko roll off the edge into a pit of lava? That might have just been a season cliffhanger, though. Tasha Yar died, Jadzia Dax died, Harry Kim died. Rachel Garret and the entire crew of her ship. Sarek, Amanda Grayson. Kes ostensibly "transformed", but it could be counted as dying, too. That's not counting the legions of nameless red-shirts, either.
If you toss in non-canon books (especially Shatner's stuff), the body count goes way up. Picard dies in one of the Q-focused books too, smashed like a grape like the guy at the end of the new SAW movie. I may have to find that book.
And if you're really counting the crew of the Enterprise-D died 17 times in one episode, and Tasha Yar was actually killed three times ("Skin Of Evil", implied in "Redemption Part II", and "...All Good Things Part II"). Wesley Crusher was also impaled through the chest with a bayonet in, "Hide And Q" I think it was I, Q. It's after the Civil War-setting Voyager episode, when he's finally married "She Q" and had a kid, I think. Pretty good book, written by John deLancie. Actually, thinking about ship-wide deaths, didn't the entire crew of Voyager die in one, where the two ships were doing the mirror universe thing and occupying the same space at the same time, but one had been attacked and the other hadn't? That's an actual full-death, since it was a complete mirror universe crew, and they went boom at the end. Can't remember if that's the one where they switch Kim's, though......one gets sucked out of a hull breach, so that crew grabs the live one at some point. |
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I don't think so. No major character ever dies in Star Trek. Kirk did. So did Data, and although I never watched DS9, I thought the last episode had Sisko roll off the edge into a pit of lava? That might have just been a season cliffhanger, though. Tasha Yar died, Jadzia Dax died, Harry Kim died. Rachel Garret and the entire crew of her ship. Sarek, Amanda Grayson. Kes ostensibly "transformed", but it could be counted as dying, too. That's not counting the legions of nameless red-shirts, either.
If you toss in non-canon books (especially Shatner's stuff), the body count goes way up. Picard dies in one of the Q-focused books too, smashed like a grape like the guy at the end of the new SAW movie. I spanked it so hard after Denise Crosby AKA Tasha Yar posed nude in Playboy that one day after an extremely powerful and totally draining orgasm my head was spinning so hard that I really believed I had created a Wormhole. Im not sure what happened but I passed out. When I awoke I was missing time. Like 2 hours and my watch had stopped. |
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I think it was I, Q. It's after the Civil War-setting Voyager episode, when he's finally married "She Q" and had a kid, I think. Pretty good book, written by John deLancie. Actually, thinking about ship-wide deaths, didn't the entire crew of Voyager die in one, where the two ships were doing the mirror universe thing and occupying the same space at the same time, but one had been attacked and the other hadn't? That's an actual full-death, since it was a complete mirror universe crew, and they went boom at the end. Can't remember if that's the one where they switch Kim's, though......one gets sucked out of a hull breach, so that crew grabs the live one at some point. haha. I read "I,Q" a long time ago. Good book, too and I've been trying to find it ever since. I'll have to read it again since it seems I have forgotten parts. And I know the Voyager episode you're talking about. I'm more of a TNG geek, so I don't have the Voyager eps memorized to the same level of geekdom. I remember that being a good ep. |
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I think it was I, Q. It's after the Civil War-setting Voyager episode, when he's finally married "She Q" and had a kid, I think. Pretty good book, written by John deLancie. Actually, thinking about ship-wide deaths, didn't the entire crew of Voyager die in one, where the two ships were doing the mirror universe thing and occupying the same space at the same time, but one had been attacked and the other hadn't? That's an actual full-death, since it was a complete mirror universe crew, and they went boom at the end. Can't remember if that's the one where they switch Kim's, though......one gets sucked out of a hull breach, so that crew grabs the live one at some point. haha. I read "I,Q" a long time ago. Good book, too and I've been trying to find it ever since. I'll have to read it again since it seems I have forgotten parts. And I know the Voyager episode you're talking about. I'm more of a TNG geek, so I don't have the Voyager eps memorized to the same level of geekdom. I remember that being a good ep. I'm not old enough to really remember TNG, although I did watch TOS reruns every night on the SciFi channel. I caught the very end of DS9, but had no clue who was who or what was happening, so I didn't follow it much. Watched Voyager from the middle of the second season through to the end. I think DS9 has some extremely good non-canon written stuff though, especially - most especially - the "Millennium" trilogy. Voyager was sorta gut-punched by some not-so-great acting, but they did have some of the most interesting characters (Neelix, the Doctor, 7 of 9). |
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Then John Crighton came by via a worm hole and created a black hole then got the fuck outta there. While this was going on, a T-800 went back in time and killed the young John Crichton; therefore, the worm hole was never formed. ...meanwhile the crew of the Red Dwarf was knocked out of a prime space port docking space, by the crew of the Serenity who had just returned from salvaging the wreckage of the Deathstar Which had been lost because Vader was puzzling over wtf Trelane was babbling on about when he randomly popped in on a meeting between Vader and the Emperor, while wearing a powdered wig and a 1812 British commodore's uniform. |
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I'm not old enough to really remember TNG, although I did watch TOS reruns every night on the SciFi channel. I caught the very end of DS9, but had no clue who was who or what was happening, so I didn't follow it much. Watched Voyager from the middle of the second season through to the end. I think DS9 has some extremely good non-canon written stuff though, especially - most especially - the "Millennium" trilogy. Voyager was sorta gut-punched by some not-so-great acting, but they did have some of the most interesting characters (Neelix, the Doctor, 7 of 9). DS9 does have good non-canon. I've read part of the Millennium series, and there was one other series I read that wasn't too bad. I also remember there was a novel series called, "The Lost Era" which had some potential, but I think got mired by bad authors (people who have no idea the laws of physics, and things obviously not proof read before publishing). I liked what the writers did with Neelix, especially toward the end, but I wish they had let Jeri Ryan act more first of all, and expanded more on Harry Kim's character. He had a lot of potential, imo, but everyone seemed to forget about him. |
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I'm not old enough to really remember TNG, although I did watch TOS reruns every night on the SciFi channel. I caught the very end of DS9, but had no clue who was who or what was happening, so I didn't follow it much. Watched Voyager from the middle of the second season through to the end. I think DS9 has some extremely good non-canon written stuff though, especially - most especially - the "Millennium" trilogy. Voyager was sorta gut-punched by some not-so-great acting, but they did have some of the most interesting characters (Neelix, the Doctor, 7 of 9). DS9 does have good non-canon. I've read part of the Millennium series, and there was one other series I read that wasn't too bad. I also remember there was a novel series called, "The Lost Era" which had some potential, but I think got mired by bad authors (people who have no idea the laws of phyics, and things obviously not proof read before publishing). I liked what the writers did with Neelix, especially toward the end, but I wish they had expanded on Harry Kim more. He had a lot of potential, imo, but everyone seemed to forget about him. I've got a couple of the Lost Era books, and I think it would have turned out better had they actually had a plan on how to do it.....just seemed like random people writing random things. Kim could have done a lot more, I think, but it seemed like Voyager focused on giving everyone a moderate backstory, instead of sticking with a few and really developing it. Between Mosaic and Pathways, a lot of the background on the individual crew members gets filled out, and I think it could have been done relatively well in the show, but it just never happened. The Fury series was pretty good, too, especially with the overarching themes it used. |
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DS9 does have good non-canon. I've read part of the Millennium series, and there was one other series I read that wasn't too bad. I also remember there was a novel series called, "The Lost Era" which had some potential, but I think got mired by bad authors (people who have no idea the laws of phyics, and things obviously not proof read before publishing). I liked what the writers did with Neelix, especially toward the end, but I wish they had expanded on Harry Kim more. He had a lot of potential, imo, but everyone seemed to forget about him. I've got a couple of the Lost Era books, and I think it would have turned out better had they actually had a plan on how to do it.....just seemed like random people writing random things. Kim could have done a lot more, I think, but it seemed like Voyager focused on giving everyone a moderate backstory, instead of sticking with a few and really developing it. Between Mosaic and Pathways, a lot of the background on the individual crew members gets filled out, and I think it could have been done relatively well in the show, but it just never happened. The Fury series was pretty good, too, especially with the overarching themes it used.[/quote] I was working on a manuscript for the "Lost Era" series a while back, but I think it folded before I finished the outline. It just seemed that Harry went by way of Geordi LaForge. A good character, but we didn't know all that much about him until the end of the show pretty much. Then again, a show about nerdy Ensign boy would have probably been disasterous to the 18-25 male ratings for that show, which is where Berman pretty much wanted the show to be. The Doctor was probably one of my favorite characters on Voyager, btw. I wanted to like Janeway, but I couldn't get over the fact that she would screw up something and then the episode would be a complete disaster. |
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DS9 does have good non-canon. I've read part of the Millennium series, and there was one other series I read that wasn't too bad. I also remember there was a novel series called, "The Lost Era" which had some potential, but I think got mired by bad authors (people who have no idea the laws of phyics, and things obviously not proof read before publishing). I liked what the writers did with Neelix, especially toward the end, but I wish they had expanded on Harry Kim more. He had a lot of potential, imo, but everyone seemed to forget about him. I've got a couple of the Lost Era books, and I think it would have turned out better had they actually had a plan on how to do it.....just seemed like random people writing random things. Kim could have done a lot more, I think, but it seemed like Voyager focused on giving everyone a moderate backstory, instead of sticking with a few and really developing it. Between Mosaic and Pathways, a lot of the background on the individual crew members gets filled out, and I think it could have been done relatively well in the show, but it just never happened. The Fury series was pretty good, too, especially with the overarching themes it used. I was working on a manuscript for the "Lost Era" series a while back, but I think it folded before I finished the outline. It just seemed that Harry went by way of Geordi LaForge. A good character, but we didn't know all that much about him until the end of the show pretty much. Then again, a show about nerdy Ensign boy would have probably been disasterous to the 18-25 male ratings for that show, which is where Berman pretty much wanted the show to be. The Doctor was probably one of my favorite characters on Voyager, btw. I wanted to like Janeway, but I couldn't get over the fact that she would screw up something and then the episode would be a complete disaster.[/quote] The Doctor and 7 were my two favorite on the show; it wasn't just the on-paper characters, Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo just played the roles extremely well, and really made them dynamic. Janeway was too much the modern female cowboy; Chakotay was just.....fail; Paris was like Kim, interesting story but never really got enough screen time. B'Elanna was just the typical raging PMS internal bull dyke vs sensual human female bullshit. Neelix was fun, I think because Ethan Phillips could just do the whole "seems sheltered but has seen more shit than a platoon in Viet Nam" thing so well. |
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The Doctor and 7 were my two favorite on the show; it wasn't just the on-paper characters, Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo just played the roles extremely well, and really made them dynamic. Janeway was too much the modern female cowboy; Chakotay was just.....fail; Paris was like Kim, interesting story but never really got enough screen time. B'Elanna was just the typical raging PMS internal bull dyke vs sensual human female bullshit. Neelix was fun, I think because Ethan Phillips could just do the whole "seems sheltered but has seen more shit than a platoon in Viet Nam" thing so well. Yeah, I agree there. I had a chance to meet Robert Picardo at a convention once. Really nice, and funny guy. I can't see Total Recall anymore though without thinking of The Doctor
I think Chakotay was my least favorite character. At least in TNG they made Riker kinda charming, and likeable to a point. Chakotay just seemed like a smarmy douchebag all the time. B'Elanna was fun, and one of my other favorite characters but really because she was just fun to watch. I imagine that she would have been fun to write too for the scriptwriters. I like that the writers let her character mature, unlike what they did with Major Kira for much of DS9. I like Ethan Phillips as an actor. I've seen him in other bit parts, kinda like Robert Picardo and Rene Auberjonois and I really think that of the cast members, he is there with Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo as a fairly decent actor (at least for Star Trek ).
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Voyager got into a battle shortly after the borg ship blew up. The Ori had sent the Jem Hadar but the Asgard intervened. The explosion caused by the Asgard attracted the attention of the Cylons (©1980's) who's oscillating red lights disoriented the Asgard sensors giving the Voyager crew an opportunity to make the jump to hyperspace, but the grandson of Wesly Crusher was the chief engineer and had chosen to take the warp core off line for maintenance and a lone Cyllon Raider destroyed Voyager. Then John Crighton came by via a worm hole and created a black hole then got the fuck outta there. While this was going on, a T-800 went back in time and killed the young John Crichton; therefore, the worm hole was never formed. ...meanwhile the crew of the Red Dwarf was knocked out of a prime space port docking space, by the crew of the Serenity who had just returned from salvaging the wreckage of the Deathstar yes yes she did..... 
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I just bought The Borg Fan Collective on DVD today and watched all of the Voyager episodes while I was working and I have a question. In the episode End Game they seem to get back home and destroy The Borg with a virus. So was that it? The final end of The Borg? Union man? |
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I just bought The Borg Fan Collective on DVD today and watched all of the Voyager episodes while I was working and I have a question. In the episode End Game they seem to get back home and destroy The Borg with a virus. So was that it? The final end of The Borg? Union man? I work from home and spend most of my day either on conference calls and managing e-mail. I don't actually perform the functions of my job until odd hours on weekends, but that's how my employer wants it. |
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I just bought The Borg Fan Collective on DVD today and watched all of the Voyager episodes while I was working and I have a question. In the episode End Game they seem to get back home and destroy The Borg with a virus. So was that it? The final end of The Borg? Union man? I work from home and spend most of my day either on conference calls and managing e-mail. I don't actually perform the functions of my job until odd hours on weekends, but that's how my employer wants it. Ok, gotcha. Prostitute
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