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AR15.COM
6/26/2009 3:58:05 PM EDT


From Yahoo news.



With news that Congress has passed its ballyhooed $1 billion “Cash for Clunkers” bill, we feel compelled to voice our skepticism about the program. Here’s the bill in a nutshell: Buyers of new vehicles between July 1 and November 1 will be given a voucher for $3500 if they forfeit a post-1984 car or truck that has been registered for at least one year and has a combined fuel economy rating at least 4 mpg lower than their new vehicle. The voucher grows to $4500 if the increase in fuel economy is 10 mpg or higher. The old car or truck is then crushed and recycled.





Here are five reasons we don’t think this program is worth the time it took to draft it, let alone a billion dollars:





1. The voucher replaces the trade-in deal you might otherwise get from the dealership; it’s not in addition to the car’s private sale or trade-in value. In other words, if you’re trading in a car that’s worth $3000, your net gain is only $500. Although if your car is worth $100, CFC couldn’t come at a better time.





2. We’re not sure how many folks driving cars worth $3500 or less are in the market for a new car in the first place. Sure, there’s the occasional fresh-out-of-college new-hire (we’re not sure who’s hiring right now, but we’ll play make-believe) that might still be ready to move from a Dodge Omni to a shiny new Honda Insight, but people driving cheap old beaters are probably doing so because they can’t afford a new car. And $3500 doesn’t go far when the average transaction price of new cars hovers around $24K. The vouchers don’t apply toward the purchase of used cars, for which the majority of old beaters are traded in.





3. People driving large, gas-gulping old cars and trucks often do so because they need the utility those vehicles provide. Old station wagons, for example, have few modern counterparts that are as versatile while achieving better fuel economy. Ditto pickups, which have gotten bigger and more capable but not much more fuel-efficient. And if the government thinks that someone is going to step out of a 1994 Dodge Ram into a Honda Fit, they need to get out of D.C. a little more often.





4. Naturally, we have some reservations about any bill designed to facilitate wiping out—we’re sorry, recycling—any automotive species. And let’s face it, while there are a lot of bona fide clunkers out there, we’re afraid that a bunch of future classics will get caught in this roundup. We propose, then, that a certified auto enthusiast (paid, of course) be placed at all certified CFC dealerships to screen the cars that are brought in, returning the cool cars—including anything with T-tops—to the streets.





5. Besides cleansing the U.S. of gas-guzzling pigs, the other supposed benefit of the CFC program is to provide a short-term boost to the starving auto business. However, we hope these legislators don’t expect it to meaningfully help the domestic automakers. Many of the automobiles with fuel-economy ratings high enough to qualify for the vouchers come from Japan and Korea.





On the bright side, the cost to taxpayers will be minimal when no one actually participates.

6/26/2009 4:11:00 PM EDT
[#1]
You have to had owned, registered and insured the vehicle for ONE YEAR.

That alone will discourage most people.

6/26/2009 4:14:34 PM EDT
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You have to had owned, registered and insured the vehicle for ONE YEAR.

That alone will discourage most people.



6/26/2009 4:17:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Also, your "clunker" has to get 18 mpg or less to qualify. My piece of shit Cavalier gets 23 mpg according to the Government.
6/26/2009 4:24:50 PM EDT
[#4]
On the bright side, the cost to taxpayers will be minimal when no one actually participates.


Bullshit! They'll find something to spend the money (we don't actually have) on.
6/26/2009 4:25:33 PM EDT
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Also, your "clunker" has to get 18 mpg or less to qualify. My piece of shit Cavalier gets 23 mpg according to the Government.


Which is something else they fucked up on. There are plenty of POS cars that are now (because of age and lack of maintenance) getting less than 18mpg, but will not qualify because they're referencing mileage for when the car was NEW. Some guy can be driving a gross polluting gas hog, and he won't qualify.



The article makes another good point - few people driving a cheap-ass clunker are in the market for a brand spanking new car.



 
6/26/2009 4:29:05 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Also, your "clunker" has to get 18 mpg or less to qualify. My piece of shit Cavalier gets 23 mpg according to the Government.

Which is something else they fucked up on. There are plenty of POS cars that are now (because of age and lack of maintenance) getting less than 18mpg, but will not qualify because they're referencing mileage for when the car was NEW. Some guy can be driving a gross polluting gas hog, and he won't qualify.

The article makes another good point - few people driving a cheap-ass clunker are in the market for a brand spanking new car.
 


I am....

and don't you have a POS Neon?

(I guess that may get more than 18 mpg anyway)

6/26/2009 7:00:23 PM EDT
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I am....



and don't you have a POS Neon?



(I guess that may get more than 18 mpg anyway)





Nope. I sold it to a friend of a friend (great car!!!) and bought a 98 Jeep Cherokee. I needed something bigger.



He's put a bunch of miles on it, and it's now a trouble-free (always has been) car with 210,000 miles on the clock. It was the most reliable car I've ever had, bar none. And I treated it like dog shit (like 20,000 mile oil changes when I remembered, dogshit).



 
6/26/2009 7:09:18 PM EDT
[#8]
I have the perfect car for CFC, but there is no way in hell I am buying a new car with the way things are currently. The $4500 I would get would maybe cover the depreciation  from driving the car off the lot.
6/26/2009 7:13:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Eventually, the politicians won't give you an option, you will no longer be allowed to register cars older than ten years.
6/26/2009 8:06:59 PM EDT
[#10]
Have you guys learned nothing in the past few years?   Examining a borrower for the ability to repay a loan is irrelevant, and racist too.

And I seriously doubt that GMAC and whatever Chrysler's finance arm is called will turn anyone down who has a "clunker" and a burning desire to help Obama and the UAW.  They will probably put in special lines at the unemployment office to make it easier for people to sign up.




6/26/2009 8:19:08 PM EDT
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Eventually, the politicians won't give you an option, you will no longer be allowed to register cars older than ten years.


Yep...this.  Just fucking wait.