Posted: 6/13/2009 8:20:47 AM EDT
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I found this on rip off report today. I thought it was interesting. Check it out.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/105/RipOff0105447.htm ****** COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE MEMORANDUM DATE: August 18, 2004 TO: All Deputies FROM: SUBJECT: DPMS AR 15 Rifles It has come to our attention that an officer safety issue has occurred regarding the use of the DPMS AR 15 Rifles. As you know the Rifle General Order was modified last year to limit the types of rifles authorized for duty use by members of this Office. This was done because some of the weapons being personally purchased were not made in the United States and the quality of those weapons was questionable in some cases. The range master has reported several recent and disturbing events involving DPMS AR15 Rifles. Safety issues have surfaced and include broken cam pins, cracked bolts and weapons that slam fired when chambered to fire. Some of the same rifles have also had feeding and accuracy problems. Obviously death or serious injury could occur if and when additional cam pins and or bolts crack or break. Additionally, these are conditions that are not easily rectified without new parts. The reliability of these firearms may be acceptable for private usage, but not for a law enforcement agency. If you need these weapons to protect yourself, reliable function ability should be unquestioned. Due to concerns about your safety and obvious liability concerns, DPMS AR 15 Rifles are no longer allowed for duty use. Exceptions will be made only if Armorer approved bolt assemblies and barrels are purchased at the owner's expense and checked by the departmental Range Master/Armorer. All Deputies who own one of these weapons are encouraged to have them inspected by a certified gunsmith, if planning to use off-duty. On-duty usage of DPMS rifles is suspended until such time the WCSO Range Master/Armorer has certified your DPMS rifle as being safe. Authorization shall only be given if the aforementioned bolt assembly and barrel are replaced. If you own a DPMS Rifle and do not wish to purchase the upgrades, and if you require the use of an AR15 variant you may contact Deputy ***** and request issuance of a departmentally owned Colt AR15. Issuance of a Colt AR15 will be based on need and endorsement from your chain of command. If you have any questions you may contact myself, the Armorer and or the Undersheriff. Bill reno, Nevada U.S.A. |
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Well, this proves it. I should get rid of mine ASAP. If I had one that was 100% reliable i would not feel bad about owning it although i might do a few upgrades .But if I was to go out now and buy a new AR it would not be DPMS .There are far to many other AR's that i would choose . |
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I'm not sure of anybody's use, but sitting at a bench and firing rounds at paper in a slow manner is not "use". Take your rifle to a carbine course, where the rate of fire is in the tune of 1000+ in a couple of days with bursts of 100 or so rounds in short order. Where the rifle gets so hot that you can't hold on to it with a magwell grip, even with gloves on, you start to see issues, if issues are there to see.
Failure has to be viewed in a failure rate mode. How many failures happen per number of rifles used. There is enough data out there that shows that DPMS has a failure rate that warrants some concern for those that depend on the rifle. The chances of having a rifle with little or no issue is higher than one with issues, so that fact that so many report no issue isn't surprising, but I'd question that with a "use" qualifier before I could make an informed conclusion. |
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This might be totally "out there" but instead of buying the cheapest OR the most expensive how about if a dept the size of Reno's were to just put their own service rifles together using "the check list" (many here know what list I'm talking about, I used it to assemble my rifle) You'd end up with a very reliable rifle and its not very hard to put one together. If they don't want the responsiblity a number of gunsmiths could assemble them for the dept. |