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Posted: 1/16/2002 11:47:09 AM EDT
I'm in the construction industry, always have. Been fortunate enough to start my own business, buy a used Chevy 6.2 diesel 3/4 ton 4wd p/u and then a new 2001 F-350 diesel 4wd. The Ford is an XLT so it has a pretty good trim level w/o getting stupid (ie, Lariat). I love driving the two trucks, just to listen to the engines do their thing. The CD player in the Ford doesn't get used nearly as much as I figured it would. I just like listening to the sound of the diesel work and the whistle of the turbo as it tows my trailers. My dad drove truck while I was growing up so I guess this interest stems from that time. Any body else in the same boat?
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 12:01:24 PM EDT
No, but I don't have a muffler on my Geo. So that is pretty loud. Sometimes I can't hear the radio so I shut it off. If you know what a rally sport car sounds like. You pretty much have it. I would put on a muffler but I would rather buy a gun. I used to ride with my dad on a D7 all day long. So my hearing is pretty much shot. I guess thats why I like my car. And sometimes when I start my car up, and there is someone if front of me, it really scares them. RRRRRRMMMMMMM RRRRRRRMMMMMMMM
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 12:13:49 PM EDT
Diesel trucks are for pussies and little girls. You haven't heard the roar and howl of a turbo-diesel until you've ridden in a consist of good old SD40-2 or SD45-2 locomotives lugging thousands of tons up 2.2% grade through a canyon.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 12:24:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Boomer: Diesel trucks are for pussies and little girls. You haven't heard the roar and howl of a turbo-diesel until you've ridden in a consist of good old SD40-2 or SD45-2 locomotives lugging thousands of tons up 2.2% grade through a canyon.
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So, when was the last time you bought one of those, big boy? Can I come over and check it out? I'll drive my truck over, or better yet, perhaps you can drive your train over my place.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 12:42:18 PM EDT
The sounds of the motor is one thing that has always bothered me on a diesel, if they could only be as quite as a gas motor that would be great! Hopefully the Duramax will be that way, I have heard it is nice and quiet--the only downside is its a V8.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 12:50:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Unrepentant_Sinner: The sounds of the motor is one thing that has always bothered me on a diesel, if they could only be as quite as a gas motor that would be great! Hopefully the Duramax will be that way, I have heard it is nice and quiet--the only downside is its a V8.
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My father has a 2001 Chevy w/the Duramax diesel and Allison automatic. It has significantly more power than my Ford (300hp, 525 ft./lbs. torque vs. 250 hp, 505 ft./lbs.). It is quieter too. Very quiet. The Powerstroke in the Ford isn't very loud anymore either, though. It isn't the volume of noise I like, it is the distinct sound of the diesel (and turbo). Even with the difference in power, I would not buy a new Chevy or GMC.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 1:08:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By Boomer: Diesel trucks are for pussies and little girls. You haven't heard the roar and howl of a turbo-diesel until you've ridden in a consist of good old SD40-2 or SD45-2 locomotives lugging thousands of tons up 2.2% grade through a canyon.
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So, when was the last time you bought one of those, big boy? Can I come over and check it out? I'll drive my truck over, or better yet, perhaps you can drive your train over my place.
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yeah, man. Hook us up a ride in YOUR train, dude. Oh, you don't own one????? [}:D] Trains are for pussies. Real men ride a B1 bomber. [}:D]
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 2:08:48 PM EDT
I drive a ford l9000 boom truck for work and I know what you mean. Just need to add a good amp and a few speakers. Won't hear the diesel anymore,,,, or much of anythng else for that matter. Keving67
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 2:13:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 2:20:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: a new 2001 F-350 diesel 4wd. The Ford is an XLT so it has a pretty good trim level w/o getting stupid (ie, Lariat).
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Pretty sure you know of this site already but in case you have never been there: [url]http://www.ford-diesel.com[/url] I know I have posted it here before as has at least one other person recently. WOW! Just went there to test the URL and it says:
Ford announced today that it will lay off 35,000 workers, idle five plants, and discontinue models across the board in order to stabilize their financial situation. Models discontinued: · Ford Escort · Mercury Cougar · Mercury Villager · Lincoln Continental
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Lincoln Continental? Now what am I supposed to drive when I am an old man? -Velveeta
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 2:46:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: I love driving the two trucks, just to listen to the engines do their thing. The CD player in the Ford doesn't get used nearly as much as I figured it would. I just like listening to the sound of the diesel work and the whistle of the turbo as it tows my trailers. Any body else in the same boat?
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Oh yea. I've got a 99 F250 Power Stroke. On long trips through the mountains I turn off the radio and just listen to the turbo. I love that sound.
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 3:19:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 3:27:26 PM EDT
I have a '99 GMC Suburban LT 6.5 TD assigned to me @ work...I love it and will buy one of my own as soon as I get the $$$. I am looking @ '03 when the Yukon XL will be slated to get the 6.6 Duramax. I love the whine of the turbo when I get on it!
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 3:30:52 PM EDT
Trains arent driven by diesels anyway...the diesel generates electric power and real railroad men dont ride trains they construct railroads...Maintainence of Way...thats where the "real men" reside..[;)] Anyway if it aint a Cummins turbo diesel... its just a gasser dressed up like a diesel.. that aluminum "duramax"...nah....never last and the power stroke.. tweak a Cummins ..land speed record...for diesels Now a Mercedes diesel...or a Unimog..thats a different story... [url]http://www.maximog.com/[/url] My Dream Truck...sigh......
Link Posted: 1/16/2002 7:38:07 PM EDT
Who said anything about having to own a diesel to appreciate it? Kinda sounds like sour grapes to me. I guess anyone who is still making payments or uses a company owned vehicle doesn't get to weigh in, either, huh? [;)] And how does one's owning a little girlie diesel pickup truck have anything to do with the fact that it still pales in comparison to the monsters I get to play with? [:)] Yeah, bring those big bad diesel pickups on down to the railroad. Let's take turns hitching 'em up to a 13,000 ton grainer and see what they can do. This oughta be good for a few laughs. [:)] Hmmmmm.... Locomotives not powered by diesel? That obviously explains those huge fuel tanks on each and every locomotive, the 4 25,000 gallon tank cars of of diesel I spot at the oil spur each and every day, or the fact that railroads are the largest user of diesel in the country. Not to mention the aforementioned roar and howl of turbodiesels heard and felt every time one of these big boys strut their stuff. Yup, no diesel power here, right? [:)] And MOW? Aren't those the guys who usually quit working when the sun goes down? Oh yeah, they're "REAL" men alright! [;)]
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 11:09:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomer: Who said anything about having to own a diesel to appreciate it? Kinda sounds like sour grapes to me. I guess anyone who is still making payments or uses a company owned vehicle doesn't get to weigh in, either, huh? [;)] And how does one's owning a little girlie diesel pickup truck have anything to do with the fact that it still pales in comparison to the monsters I get to play with? [:)] Yeah, bring those big bad diesel pickups on down to the railroad. Let's take turns hitching 'em up to a 13,000 ton grainer and see what they can do. This oughta be good for a few laughs. [:)] Hmmmmm.... Locomotives not powered by diesel? That obviously explains those huge fuel tanks on each and every locomotive, the 4 25,000 gallon tank cars of of diesel I spot at the oil spur each and every day, or the fact that railroads are the largest user of diesel in the country. Not to mention the aforementioned roar and howl of turbodiesels heard and felt every time one of these big boys strut their stuff. Yup, no diesel power here, right? [:)] And MOW? Aren't those the guys who usually quit working when the sun goes down? Oh yeah, they're "REAL" men alright! [;)]
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I make payments too. Figured you can't beat the interest rate Ford (and the other manufacturers) offered after 9/11 so why put all the money up front? Call them girlie trucks, I still enjoy driving/using them. The fuel mileage is much better on diesels and the torque is fabulous. Not to mention longevity. My father has an '85 6.9 diesel F-250 with 215K on it. Still has all the power it ever had. He also has an '85 Chevy 6.2 (same as mine but with a 4spd., what a dog) with 190K. Power is relative. Necesity vs. practicality isn't. Sure, hooking a chain on my Ford or Chevy to a locomotive of your choice is silly, but so is the logic behind that thought. I can't use a train to do my work and you can't use an F-350 to do yours. I never doubted engines were powered by diesel. Actually, I kinda like trains and wish more were used today. It's just that trucks can haul the same amount of material for less money.
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 11:35:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomer: Diesel trucks are for pussies and little girls. You haven't heard the roar and howl of a turbo-diesel until you've ridden in a consist of good old SD40-2 or SD45-2 locomotives lugging thousands of tons up 2.2% grade through a canyon.
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Only 2.2%??? that's for little girls!!
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 12:37:00 PM EDT
I even put small convex 'spot' mirrors on my '88 Blazer so I could watch the black tornadoes blasting out of the exhausts under load. BTW it has Cherry Bomb mufflers on it - sounds like a cross bet. a Chevy big block and an SD-40....
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 1:48:00 PM EDT
I heard through the grapevine that Dodge's contract with Cummins is up in '03 or '04. The word is Ford (which owns a majority of Cummins) will then offer the I-6 in its SuperDuty series trucks (250-550). I also heard Cummins is designing and testing a new generation diesel for light trucks. Supposed to be very quiet. That Cummins engine might not have the hp or torque of the other two engines (Duramax or Powerstroke) but what an engine it is. If you like diesels, you can't help but love that engine. That said, there is nothing wrong with the 7.3 Powerstroke. It is proven and reliable. It better be for me, too. $32,000 better get me alot of truck. Unlike what 9divoc said, the current diesel offerings are not dressed-up gas jobs. They were designed as diesels from the word go. They just happen to be V-8s, not I-6s like most heavy-duty tractors and trucks have.
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 1:53:24 PM EDT
'83 Mercedes-Benz 300TD (Wagon, Turbodiesel) I believe I've got you all beat on the volumetric quantity of black filth emitted into the air, including Boomer and his EMD products. I can't go through drive-throughs with this thing because they can't hear me over the cacophony of the seldom-maintained valve train on this beast. She'll do 110+ easy, though. I like when dorks with their little 2-liter RiceBoy Hondas with bumblebee exhaust and wings (WTF?) pull up behind me at stop lights. Add brake, add throttle. Repeat until desired effect is acheived - huge black cloud enveloping aforementioned dork. Ah, yes a rich-running diesel engine: Dork-Be-Gone!
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 1:58:02 PM EDT
I have a Dodge Cummings diesel 2000 i luv the noisy sucker lots of power and good fuel economy
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 4:52:24 PM EDT
Wobblin-Goblin, A bit of trivia here - the Navistar 6.9L and 7.3L diesels were developed from 2 IH gassers, the MV404 and 446. That's not meant to belittle them, because regardless of their lineage they're still some incredibly strong engines. The main bearing journals on those things have got to be the size of tuna fish cans LOL
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 5:23:59 PM EDT
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Yeah Boomer...powered by electric motors...the diesel just makes electricity MOW quits work after sundown...guess after you throttle jockies run them off the tracks...you work for days and nights straight getting those units back on track...and before you say "If you built them right in the first place blah blah blah."...If traincrews werent so dang fat from sitting arround all day...its the added wt. arround the curves that derails those things no wonder we cant "keep a gauge" [;] Real Men Drive Trains [url]http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/102901/loc_railroad_attitude.shtml[/url]
Link Posted: 1/19/2002 5:46:51 PM EDT
I'll go out on a limb here!! Guess what I do for a living. Just look at my "HANDLE" The Ford engines are actually built by "Navistar" International Harvester to you neophites. The only thing ford has to do with the "PowerStrokes" is the Electronics package. The same exact engine is installed in "Navistar" products, but they have "Navistar's" own electronics package. They started life as the 6.9's then graduated to the 7.3, then 7.3 turbo's, and now the PowerStrokes. I hope all you Ford owner's know how much money, "The Ford Foundation" has donated to just about every "Anti" thing that we all complain about, HCI, Sierra Club, & several others that don't come to mind right now. But they are definately antihunting, firearm, farming, & logging that I'm aware of. SO KEEP BUYING THEM FORD PRODUCTS. All that said, IF IT DON'T SAY "CUMMINS" on the side of it, It isn't worth owning. Jury still out on the "DURAMX" but I don't buy anything the first three years it is introduced. TOOOO MANNNY BUUUGGGGGS, let it get sorted out first. GM still trying to build a decent diesel, the 6.2's or whatever they are is the best they have done so far, and I wouldn't buy one on a bet!!!! FLAME SUIT ON, GO AHEAD!!!!
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 11:22:05 AM EDT
Yes, the 6.9 and 7.3 diesels are built by International Harvester. Old news there. If the 6.9 was developed from a gas platform, it's news to me. So Ford is anti(everything I like to do). That sucks but I gotta drive SOMETHING. In my opinion, yes, the Cummins I-6 is the engine of choice for light-duty trucks. You just can't buy a good pickup that comes equipped with one. Dodge Ram? Please. As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with the Powerstroke so it ain't a bad choice. The Duramax engine is made by Isuzu. The Chevy-made 6.2 diesel was the best GM diesel. The 6.5 sucked. My '85 Chevy 6.2 is a pretty darn good truck. It's got the Turbo-400 3sp. auto tranny (special order).
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:24:13 PM EDT
The Dodge w/Cummins is often described as a great engine in a mediocre truck. I agree that it probably is the best diesel in a truck today. The biggest problem with the PowerStroke is the cost of replacement parts - last I heard injectors ran about $3600 or so for a set. Of course with the new electronic diesels nothing is cheap. The Duramax 6600 (there are other Duramax engines) isn't made by Isuzu, but by a joint partnership between Isuzu and GM called DMAX Ltd. And Isuzu is the world's largest maker of diesle engines, so having them in a partnership can't be a bad thing. The biggest problem with the 6.5L was the electronic injector pump used from 94-96. Once 97 came around things were fine (plus you got a 130gpm water pump and oil-cooled pistons), and the same goes for the 93-model mechanical injector pump (same as used on the 6.2L.)
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:26:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LE6920: Only 2.2%??? that's for little girls!!
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Let's see your pickup haul one empty boxcar up that grade. [:)] By the way, my division also has the steepest standard rail gauge grade in the country. 5.5%. Extended range dynamics, oh yeah......
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:31:13 PM EDT
Diesels are great, if you want to fuel up at truck stops and drive a car that sounds like a coffee can full of rocks.
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:36:53 PM EDT
[url]http://www.diskdrive.co.za/newsstories/vw_lupo3ltdi.html[/url] [img]http://www.diskdrive.co.za/images/vw_lup1.jpg[/img] 100.9mpg - 141.9mpg (avg 118mpg) - but that's driving in europe, at speeds more typical of what you drive at in europe everywhere BUT the autobahn. OTOH, the VW Golf GTI TDI 150 is supposed to do 0-62mph in 8.5seconds and still get 40 mpg. Looks more appealing to americans too. (They ground off the Hotwheels trademarks.) [img]http://journeytoforever.org/media/g/GolfGTI-TDI.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:48:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Yeah Boomer...powered by electric motors...the diesel just makes electricity
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Wow, no kidding? Is dat what dem' der' alernators and traction motors are for? Or the "Caution: 600 Volts" warning signs? Who'da thunk it!
MOW quits work after sundown...guess after you throttle jockies run them off the tracks...you work for days and nights straight getting those units back on track...and before you say "If you built them right in the first place blah blah blah."...If traincrews werent so dang fat from sitting arround all day...its the added wt. arround the curves that derails those things no wonder we cant "keep a gauge"
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We run them off the tracks. He he. Damn straight. Someone's got to generate some revenue around here. It sure ain't those guys leaning on their shovels alongside the track. Maybe you're just jealous that us operating guys get all the limelight and are paid better, too. [:)] Regarding your link, funny how the women always wind up in engine service, as yardmasters, management, or other positions that get them off the ground. We've got a few young and mid-age gals in my division, but I can't think of any old women working as switchmen, brakemen, or conductors. I can think of several in their 40s who constantly complain about various pains and physical problems. I'd bet that none of them make it past another 10 years. Many men get bad ordered before making making it to retirement, and I think women hold up even less well. Their bodies just seem less able to withstand the rigors of railroading.
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:52:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Actually, I kinda like trains and wish more were used today. It's just that trucks can haul the same amount of material for less money.
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Yeah, funny how that works when railroads have to pay almost all of their own physical plant and maintenance while the trucking industry gets to use the taxpayer built Interstate systems and roads at minimal cost. The term "subsidized" comes to mind. Makes it kind of tough to compete with, don't you think?
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 3:56:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DzlBenz: I believe I've got you all beat on the volumetric quantity of black filth emitted into the air, including Boomer and his EMD products.
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You obviously haven't seen some of the nearly 50 year old SD9s we still have trundling about! Talk about a smoke screen! What's really cool is when they've been left to idle for a long time and then get throttled up. A HUGE cloud of smoke, soot, sparks! Run over a few torpedos at the same time and it's better than the Fourth odf July!
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 4:00:10 PM EDT
Back on topic, if I were going to buy a new diesel today, I'd probably have to give my nod to the Dodge and cross my fingers that the rest of the truck held together. Using the Cummins was probably the smartest thing Chrysler ever did. Too bad the only way Ford could compete with them was to buy Cummins and cut off their supply. Maybe we'll get to see a Cat in a pickup yet. I've seen way too many problems with Fords and I will not own another GM IFS truck.
Link Posted: 1/22/2002 9:58:23 PM EDT
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It the piston slap at startup is too loud, you're too old. The only diesel I've got at present is a GM 6.2, which barely qualifies. Proof? Try changing your water pump. It's designed like a car - using special tool (?! - I eventually used my special 'carbide cutting blade' tool instead) remove nonessential pulleys, then remove nonessential plate, THEN remove water pump. WTF?! Not quite as easy a task as in those old Perkins 4 cylinder jobbies. As for trains, I too lower my window at train crossings just to hear the rumble of the big diesels. Edited to add that I have you all beat on the filth production count - it's 25 below and my glow plugs haven't functioned since October. While pumping the accelerator and holding the starter on, my poor cold diesel sounds something like this: rrrr-rrrr-rrr-rrrr-rrrr-rrm-rrrrmmmn --rrrr-rrmmmmrrmmrmrmmmrmmmmnnnwhrnwrrhhhh(IGNITION!­)clack-a-clacka-clacka-clacka... The only positive aspect of this is that the plumes of blue smoke generated by the starting process tend to surround neigboring houses for long enough to allow me to make good my escape.
Link Posted: 1/24/2002 7:43:02 AM EDT
Boomer, sounds like to me that you really have some deep-seated interest on this topic. Not that I don't, b/c obviously I do, but atleast I can say I enjoy all aspects of the diesel "community." I'm not saying your slant on this topic is criminal, but it deserves a little nudge in the right direction. Originally posted by Boomer: "Yeah, funny how that works when railroads have to pay almost all of their own physical plant and maintenance while the trucking industry gets to use the taxpayer built Interstate systems and roads at minimal cost. The term "subsidized" comes to mind. Makes it kind of tough to compete with, don't you think?" Perhaps you don't realize the trucking industry foots most of the tax bill to build and repair America's roads. One tractor and one trailer, if used just five days a week, 48 weeks a year, can pay up to $20,000 annually in transportation taxes alone. That doesn't include getting nickeled and dimed by DOT crews that think they are members of a SWAT team. No, I don't think the trucking industry has it easy. You should know better too. As far as buying a Dodge truck to get the Cummins, I can't say you are stupid, I wrestled with that choice for awhile myself. I just came to the realization that while the Cummins might be better than the Powerstroke, it isn't by alot. However, the rest of the Ford is WAY better than the rest of the Dodge (brakes, front-end, etc.). Lighten-up buddy. We're on the same side.
Link Posted: 1/24/2002 11:56:02 AM EDT
Hey, I was just havin' a bit of fun with you guys. I figured all the smiley faces and some of my writing smile would have been indicative of that. [:)] As for the truck vs rail thing, $20K ain't very much. Won't even buy a new traffic light. Come on, admit it, if the trucking industry had to foot the bill for constructing and maintaining it's own infrastructure, it would not have it's general current price advantage over rail.
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