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4/27/2009 3:39:44 AM EDT
well as part of our Security Forces training, we got OCed today. that is one of the worst pains i have ever been through. its 4 hours later and i am finally able to see halfway decent, though everything i eat or drink tasted like nasty tobasco sauce. this stuff is no joke.

anyone else been through this?
4/27/2009 3:42:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Not by choice.
No, never have and hope I never have to.
4/27/2009 3:43:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Gas chamber in Basic Training. I didn't seem to be affected as bad as some folks. Definitely not like you described. Granted, it wasn't a full OC shot to the face either.

4/27/2009 3:48:55 AM EDT
[#3]
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Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"
4/27/2009 3:50:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Been there, Good deal!

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!
4/27/2009 3:54:00 AM EDT
[#5]
CN, CS, and OC.

Or rather,
4/27/2009 4:09:45 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"




It must vary greatly from person to person,  I had very little difficulty with CS, all it really did was make my eyes water and clear my sinuses.  OC on the other hand felt like death itself had come to melt my f***in' face off.
4/27/2009 4:11:18 AM EDT
[#7]
Also........ You got video right?  Getting sprayed doesn't count if we can't mock you and watch it over and over  

4/27/2009 4:14:14 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"




It must vary greatly from person to person,  I had very little difficulty with CS, all it really did was make my eyes water and clear my sinuses.  OC on the other hand felt like death itself had come to melt my f***in' face off.


I'm thinkin so.  Out of our 220 person Company, I cant recall anyone that wasn't spitting up their lungs and gagging for air.  We had a few guys puke because they were heaving so bad for air but the majority just couldn't breathe and/or see wheretf they were going.  It took me probably a good 100feet before I could fully open my eyes for more than 2seconds.
4/27/2009 4:16:59 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"


Ahh the trip down "Chili Mac Lane".  Memories.

4/27/2009 4:18:28 AM EDT
[#10]
OC is NOTHING like the gas chamber. The gas chamber is pretty lame, actually.

I will take the gas chamber over OC anyday of the week.

OC and my eyes do not get along. Nose, breathing, mouth, skin...all fine, but my eyes can not handle it. I am done for 24 hours after OC in my eyes. Inflamation, soreness..



That being said....good times, good times indeed.
4/27/2009 4:21:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"


Ahh the trip down "Chili Mac Lane".  Memories.



We had one guy who was Abn Ranger contract screaming "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAKE IT STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP"  
4/27/2009 4:22:01 AM EDT
[#12]
the gas chamber in boot or the fleet is nothing compared to this. i compare it to if the devil jizzed on my face.

this stuff is 10 percent of the OC solution, from what i heard only federal agents and military carry this. i dont wish it on anyone.
4/27/2009 4:22:53 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training.



Same.  CS gas is the fucking devil...that is all.  My Drill Sgt. got the last laugh as I was choking/gagging/dying coming out as he was videoing and laughing his ass off at the same.

"Not so funny now, is it tyman!!?  Har har har har har"




It must vary greatly from person to person,  I had very little difficulty with CS, all it really did was make my eyes water and clear my sinuses.  OC on the other hand felt like death itself had come to melt my f***in' face off.


I'm thinkin so.  Out of our 220 person Company, I cant recall anyone that wasn't spitting up their lungs and gagging for air.  We had a few guys puke because they were heaving so bad for air but the majority just couldn't breathe and/or see wheretf they were going.  It took me probably a good 100feet before I could fully open my eyes for more than 2seconds.


Some of the D/S's took it easy on them.  Depends how crazy they wanted to get with dropping it in the can, mine were all SF loons.  I remember the jumping jacks and push-ups with visibility of about 1 inch and no mask.

Then off to a 2 hour run in MOP4 sweat filling the gas mask up to your nose and you have to drain it out.  I'll take a little pepper spray please.

4/27/2009 5:06:11 AM EDT
[#14]
OC on a regular basis. NC, and CS a few to many times.

I am on the SRT/ERU team and have been for 11 years. Sometimes we do multiple Cell entries, and if an hellatious fight ensues, which usually does, often times the helmet and mask get torn off and you have no choice but to breath. You can't bail during the fight. I am pretty used to it by now.
4/27/2009 5:11:50 AM EDT
[#15]
OC affects me worse than alot of people, believe me I am not a fan of the stuff, atleast when it is on me.
4/27/2009 5:17:41 AM EDT
[#16]
Some kind of CS/OC concoction during firearms training.

The instructor asked me who the President was during the Revolutionary War....
4/27/2009 5:22:22 AM EDT
[#17]
Gas Chamber wasn't shit.



OC is like the devil grabs your face, and lockjaws on it like a pitbull.



I can still fight through it, like most, but the minute I stop fighting, I'm done. I went around behind the bleachers to cool off after I did the red man in (I nut shotted him with the baton...got it between pads.
) and then my Sergeant came around and started to fuck with me. I was not pleased.
4/27/2009 5:23:10 AM EDT
[#18]
Have a co-worker who used to be a cop tell me that their training was to face a wall, several inches away from it, while they walked by and sprayed a stream of OC on the wall above their heads.

He said they started coughing and getting watery in the eyes as it ran down the wall, at which point the instructors told them to go ahead and turn around.

Which was right when the instructors sprayed them in the eyes with the stuff.

Being OCed myself, even I thought that was cold

_MaH
4/27/2009 5:27:46 AM EDT
[#19]
OC blows.  I got sprayed my first deployment, they told us as long as we kept our cert we wouldn't ever have to get sprayed again.  I came on my second deployment and I whipped out my certificate, my 1SG said I had to get it anyway.  It was worse the second time, and I hope to never get another load of that shit.
4/27/2009 5:34:09 AM EDT
[#20]
Ben there.

What ever you do...

DON'T SHOWER STANDING UP!!!  BEND OVER!!!

My room mate didn't listen to the instructors warning and when the OC washed down to his nuts...
4/27/2009 5:34:25 AM EDT
[#21]
ill take oc and cs exposure again anyday before I ride that damn taser again.
4/27/2009 5:39:57 AM EDT
[#22]
TTIWWOP... so heres one from my academy.. feel the burn!!!

4/27/2009 5:44:52 AM EDT
[#23]
I'd rather be tased or gassed any day. OC blows!
4/27/2009 5:44:57 AM EDT
[#24]
I would rather get tased in the nuts than ever take another hit of OC the rest of my life. F-U-C-K T-H-A-T.
4/27/2009 5:49:34 AM EDT
[#25]
well the general concensus is about how i feel. glad im not the only one in this boat. thought when 40 of your fellow Marines are acting like you are, including a SSgt and a Captain, its not THAT bad.
4/27/2009 6:16:14 AM EDT
[#26]




yeah, mine sucked too. Unbeknown to me......He soaked my hair with it. So I got it 2x in one day, that was a painful shower.
4/27/2009 6:19:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Just goes to show how OC effects people differently.  I was in pain for about 30 seconds and then nothing.  I guess I just eat a lot of mexican food.
4/27/2009 7:12:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Just goes to show how OC effects people differently.  I was in pain for about 30 seconds and then nothing.  I guess I just eat a lot of mexican food.


Guys in my class @ FLETC ate that stuff up like mustard, nothing to it. Dumbfounded me as to why I was blind for like and hour and my eyes were swollen for 24...etc.

I wasn't a hose bitch, tho I just opened up a can of SIU.
4/27/2009 7:28:44 AM EDT
[#29]
Ha ha!



I was in SF, but never had to get sprayed, but we carried Zarc-Industries' POS 5% OC spray. The crappy spray carriers were worthless and it was not uncommon to spray yourself. I've got hit a few times with it by accident, and 5% still stings like a MF








Do you guys still carry this shit?
4/27/2009 7:35:29 AM EDT
[#30]
Like others have said, CS AINT SHIT compared to OC.  I'll take the gas chamber any day of the week and twice every sunday!

OC is like bobbing for french fries in a deep frier.
4/27/2009 8:34:59 AM EDT
[#31]
I was going to have to go through OC spray training when I worked at a juvenile detention facility where we'd get sprayed and have to run an obstacle course and fight off attackers after being sprayed but I left the job before the training started. I've seen a co-worker get a face full from a sheriff deputy accidentally while trying to restrain an inmate, definately glad I missed out on that.
4/27/2009 5:48:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Ha ha!

I was in SF, but never had to get sprayed, but we carried Zarc-Industries' POS 5% OC spray. The crappy spray carriers were worthless and it was not uncommon to spray yourself. I've got hit a few times with it by accident, and 5% still stings like a MF

http://www.zarc.com/mmZARCSTORE/Images/z305_S(150).jpg

Do you guys still carry this shit?


PMO carries a 10% variation of the stuff.

AAR: its 16 hours later, my eyes are still puffy and red, and ive got bad crust around my eyes.
4/27/2009 5:49:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
well as part of our Security Forces training, we got OCed today. that is one of the worst pains i have ever been through. its 4 hours later and i am finally able to see halfway decent, though everything i eat or drink tasted like nasty tobasco sauce. this stuff is no joke.

anyone else been through this?


I've been hit with a bear fogger in my open mouth from 4 feet away while restraining someone. I threw up for an hour.
4/27/2009 5:52:57 PM EDT
[#34]


eat some chicken. you won't have to add any hotsauce.





4/27/2009 5:54:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Gas chamber in Basic Training. I didn't seem to be affected as bad as some folks. Definitely not like you described. Granted, it wasn't a full OC shot to the face either.



+1
4/27/2009 5:58:58 PM EDT
[#36]



Quoted:




Some of the D/S's took it easy on them.  Depends how crazy they wanted to get with dropping it in the can, mine were all SF loons. I remember the jumping jacks and push-ups with visibility of about 1 inch and no mask.



Then off to a 2 hour run in MOP4 sweat filling the gas mask up to your nose and you have to drain it out.  I'll take a little pepper spray please.





The thing I remember most is the Drill Sergeant telling the first five to remove their masks.  My dumb ass, number 6 in line, unmasked and got to stand there without my mask until it was time for my group.  
  I've been hit with OC a dozen times or so.  The worst was probably when I worked in the prison and had to do a cell extraction after the Lt. used the fire extinguisher size OC on an inmate in seg.



 
4/27/2009 6:02:47 PM EDT
[#37]
What's a good OC to get?
4/27/2009 6:05:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
What's a good OC to get?



this stuff, in a 10% formula, will get the job done.
4/27/2009 6:08:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
What's a good OC to get?


FoxLabs 5.3
4/27/2009 6:13:13 PM EDT
[#40]
I have not been OCed or tasered, but a cop acquaintance who has had both done to him expressed the opinion that being OCed was SEVERAL times worse.

Remind me to never get OCed.
4/27/2009 6:36:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
What's a good OC to get?


Fox Labs.

4/27/2009 6:57:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Fuck.... I hate you guys.

I got to get OCed again on May 7th.....

My current PD will not except my certs from the Academy or the previous PD I worked for.

I hate that shit.....
4/27/2009 7:00:12 PM EDT
[#43]
I've been OC'd 3 times in training.

doesn't affect me too much. 1/2 hour later I'm eating luch and laughing about my fellow officers still puking in the grass.
4/27/2009 7:23:59 PM EDT
[#44]
If you have had the training in the civilian world (LEO) and then go into the military, can you get a waiver?
4/27/2009 7:27:10 PM EDT
[#45]
I got hit about 2  months ago in Police academy. We were hit by .18%

I can't begin to describe how bad it was. Made CS I got in the Marines feel like a sunburn. Taser? any day.

I got hosed down pretty bad by our instructor, I was the class prez..so..ya.

I'm blonde and fair skinned..so...I made it through the course until the handcuffing station, where I almost lost it.
The decon process took me about probably 3 hours, the first 15 minutes of which I honestly imagined having a gun to shoot myself with. I ended up making it home, and when I took a shower I had a terrible relapse...no way in hell I'd do that again.

4/27/2009 7:29:35 PM EDT
[#46]
One thing that truly amazed me after being hit with OC spray was the sheer volume of snot the human body is able to produce.  I swear my nose and eyes were going like a faucet for several minutes.
4/27/2009 8:09:48 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Fuck.... I hate you guys.

I got to get OCed again on May 7th.....

My current PD will not except my certs from the Academy or the previous PD I worked for.

I hate that shit.....


Why are y'all in LE required to get OCed? Sounds like torture - Where is Obama?
4/27/2009 8:14:20 PM EDT
[#48]

Sucks to be you.....
4/28/2009 12:15:11 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
If you have had the training in the civilian world (LEO) and then go into the military, can you get a waiver?


thats a negative. ive never really seen any certs that get translated to the military. Not everyone needs to get OCed though, just security forces and PMO.

4/28/2009 12:16:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
well as part of our Security Forces training, we got OCed today. that is one of the worst pains i have ever been through. its 4 hours later and i am finally able to see halfway decent, though everything i eat or drink tasted like nasty tobasco sauce. this stuff is no joke.

anyone else been through this?


Never been through it...

BUT

How does it compare to CS Gas (NBC training - I know the AF loves that shit)....
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