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but Will Wilkinson does: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10096 A very politically provacative article. It makes sense that the decriminalization of marijuana would lead to less no-knock raids of peaceful stoners' homes, and, therefore, lesser strain for LEOs who should be concentrating on violent crimes anyway. While I disagree with the government deciding what substance I may or may not choose to put into my body...where do we draw the line? And is there any legitimate correlation to a certain specific drug and certain violent crimes? I doubt it... Willkinson even mentions the threat to the family dog! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug.
On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. I don't completely agree , It's been my experience that even if they weren't hooked on the drug the vast majority would still be a robber , scam artist , or thief , they would just come up with another excuse for thier actions. |
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It's usually not the typical pot smoker that gets his door kicked in....that's reserved for the shitbag that sells the pot and cares about no one but his money..... I didn't realise being a capitalist was probable cause . 
but seriously , I don't know what you think the mark-up is on weed , but I'm willing to bet that your figures are way off. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. kind of like a nicotine fit ? Or when someone doesn't get thier morning coffee ? I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. I've never experienced anyone getting violent on weed , you know the guy , so I'll take your word for it. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. I've never seen anyone get violent from smoking pot. The withdrawal systems usually last less than 24 hours, and this is only when someone is a constant smoker. When I was a teenager I was a constant smoker, the withdrawal symptoms for me were just agitation and an extreme increase in energy. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. You know 3 people and that makes me wrong? Pot is psychologically addictive, the physical aspects are subtle and short-termed. I was a habitual pot smoker (every day) for many, many years...probably longer than you've been on the planet and just quit. I quit because it was bad for my life. No incentive, no drive. My priorities changed. If the guy you know got violent, then that is deep-seeded in his personality. Do some research, you'll find that smoking pot and violence caused by doing so is very uncommon. And if the other 2 you know are addicted, then it is there personalities (some people get addicted to most everything they do). Like I said, physical addiction is not a trait of pot smokers. Psychological addiction, on the other hand, is very real. Life is a bummer without it. Until you realize it was really more of a bummer with it. Believe, I know. Been there, done that way too long and too many times in my life. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. I don't completely agree , It's been my experience that even if they weren't hooked on the drug the vast majority would still be a robber , scam artist , or thief , they would just come up with another excuse for thier actions. Regular, every day people, who otherwise would remain law-abiding, change when they get involved with crack. Do the research.... |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. I don't completely agree , It's been my experience that even if they weren't hooked on the drug the vast majority would still be a robber , scam artist , or thief , they would just come up with another excuse for thier actions. Regular, every day people, who otherwise would remain law-abiding, change when they get involved with crack. Do the research.... That's why I said I didn't COMPLETELY agree , there are alot of dirtbags that are smart enough to play the pity card as well. |
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don't LEOs get tired of dealing with it? I'm not a cop, but if I were, I would get so tired of giving people a slap on the wrist for possession of the hippie lettuce. Not to mention bogging down the legal system in general. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile In some cities, its use (not sale) is for all practical purposes decriminalized. |
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While I agree that smoking pot is relatively harmless and rarely does anybody get violent while smoking pot, I do not care for the drug. I lost a very close friend over a disagreement we had about smoking weed. I didn't like that he spent so much time getting wasted because it was making him lazy, stupid, and impossible to rely on.
We were best friends, now we can't stand the sight of one another. All because of the Ganja. It sucks. 
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While I agree that smoking pot is relatively harmless and rarely does anybody get violent while smoking pot, I do not care for the drug. I lost a very close friend over a disagreement we had about smoking weed. I didn't like that he spent so much time getting wasted because it was making him lazy, stupid, and impossible to rely on. We were best friends, now we can't stand the sight of one another. All because of the Ganja. It sucks. That is the worst thing about pot... |
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While I agree that smoking pot is relatively harmless and rarely does anybody get violent while smoking pot, I do not care for the drug. I lost a very close friend over a disagreement we had about smoking weed. I didn't like that he spent so much time getting wasted because it was making him lazy, stupid, and impossible to rely on. We were best friends, now we can't stand the sight of one another. All because of the Ganja. It sucks. That is the worst thing about pot... I agree its a negative aspect of it. However, families are destroyed by alcohol every day. Why isn't that illegal too? Oh wait...they tried that once, didn't work so well. In the land of the free...I am free to not smoke weed if I want to, I am free to obey the speed limit, file my taxes (on time), cross the street within the painted lines, and conform to form 4473s, because that's what the Founders would have wanted.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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We were best friends, now we can't stand the sight of one another. All because of the Ganja. It sucks. That's taking responsibility for yourself right there  True. My actions probably had something to do with it too. Or my passive aggressive manner of dealing with things. Perhaps I even resented him a little for his carefree attitude..... Nevertheless, he smokes pot and I won't... it came between us |
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No, I don't... but Will Wilkinson does: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10096 A very politically provacative article. It makes sense that the decriminalization of marijuana would lead to less no-knock raids of peaceful stoners' homes, and, therefore, lesser strain for LEOs who should be concentrating on violent crimes anyway. While I disagree with the government deciding what substance I may or may not choose to put into my body...where do we draw the line? And is there any legitimate correlation to a certain specific drug and certain violent crimes? I doubt it... Willkinson even mentions the threat to the family dog! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile To me the only line you can draw is to protect one individual from "overly" infringing on another individuals right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The only reason I use the qualifier "overly" is because some people might just piss you off. For example the guy who hates gay people might say "....he infringed on my pursuit of happiness by showing up at the mall holding his boyfriends hand.....". Sure it might piss him off track on his "pursuit of happiness", but it does not "overly" infringe on his rights that another individual is "gay". The same goes with people who ingest substances to alter their brain chemistry. Just the knowledge of them doing it might piss you off, but it doesn't overly infringe on your rights. The line is crossed if a person ingesting a drug infringes on your rights. It's pretty simple really. Infringing on an individual's freedom is wrong, it doesn't matter who is doing the infringing....its morally wong. For example I support private ownership of guns and bullets, but a bullet fired from a gun that hits another human being will injured or kill them, 100% of the time. The freedom is my right to own guns and bullets, I cross the line if I use my guns and bullets to infringe on others rights. With freedom comes responsibility. I am responsible for my own actions. Another example is drinking alcohol, a person has the right to do that. However, if they beat their wife and kids, or get into a 3000lb vehicle and go racing down Main Street, they've crossed the line. The alcohol is not to blame, the person who crossed "the line" is to blame. That they were drunk on alcohol, or high on some other substance, is incidental. The same goes with drugs. I believe an individual has the natural right to smoke, drink, inject, ingest, ANYTHING they want into their own bodies. With that said, I also believe society has the right to enforce personal responsibility. If you "cross the line" you have to do the time. If you support the ideals that a person has "natural" individual rights and freedoms, you can't turn around and say that you only support those individual rights that YOU accept. If you do you don't really believe in the idea that people have the natural right to "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". You can't have it both ways. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. I don't think he's wrong. He says "Pot doesn't NORMALLY make people violent". Based on my experience that's a true statement. He didn't say it NEVER makes people violent. The guy you know is outside the norm. |
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I know a few high school buddies that are working at gas stations and living with their parents due to their habits. Can it happen with alcohol too......yes however I know a hell of alot more drinkers with normal lives compared to a dozen pot smokers who are lazy and cant seem to hold jobs
From every instance Ive seen of heavier users it always leads to them getting very lazy and demotivated to do anything. Not judging others but its flat out not for me. I dont like to be around it and I certainly never want it at my house for any type of party. |
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don't LEOs get tired of dealing with it? I'm not a cop, but if I were, I would get so tired of giving people a slap on the wrist for possession of the hippie lettuce. Not to mention bogging down the legal system in general. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile cops in CA wont do jack shit about a little bit of weed. The idea of the cops doing a no knock raid for some weed is just fucking stupid. |
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I have no problem legalizing all drugs.
but if you do drugs you do not get the benefit of free medical care (welfare) free food (welfare) can't work a job that handles money, or dangerous equipment and can't have a drivers license or operate a motor vehicle. then smoke, snort or shoot up anything you want. violate any of the above and it's a 20 year sentence automatic with no parole. oh and any kids you have get adopted out to a healthy family. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. I don't completely agree , It's been my experience that even if they weren't hooked on the drug the vast majority would still be a robber , scam artist , or thief , they would just come up with another excuse for thier actions. Exactly... Criminal behavior is a personality trait... |
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who decides? oh yeah..the government We decide, as we elect the government... And 'we' (the majority of the US population) have said NO weed... There is NO Constitutional nexus for a 'right' to weed, unless the Court declares one to exist via the 9th.... So get over it, grow up, and follow the damn law... It's really damn easy... Acting like drugs are illegal because some 'man in a building in DC' decided to be a buzzkill = STUPID... |
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don't LEOs get tired of dealing with it? I'm not a cop, but if I were, I would get so tired of giving people a slap on the wrist for possession of the hippie lettuce. Not to mention bogging down the legal system in general. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's more of a "loss-leader" than an annoyance. Like a traffic stop, a whiff of pot can lead to the discovery of all sorts of nefarious goings-on. ETA: I have an estranged brother who as a dedicated multidecade daily (hell, hourly) pothead has managed to grow himself as pretty a pair of B-cup titties as you'll ever see. |
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who decides? oh yeah..the government We decide, as we elect the government... And 'we' (the majority of the US population) have said NO weed... There is NO Constitutional nexus for a 'right' to weed, unless the Court declares one to exist via the 9th.... So get over it, grow up, and follow the damn law... It's really damn easy... Acting like drugs are illegal because some 'man in a building in DC' decided to be a buzzkill = STUPID... no, we don't decide anything. As a republic (ostensibly) we elect people to make decisions in our interest. Our primary interest is, or was and should be, the cause of liberty. The people, as a whole, are fickle and ignorant. And I'm not talking about weed, I'm talking about broad policy shaping in general. Contemporary politics have boiled down to two choices: a lot of government, or total government...and both major political parties are drifting further towards the latter. The issue of pot is simply a classic example of government interference of true liberty. We, as a people, postulate as a free people when Communist China's markets are less regulated than ours.I don't smoke pot (.mil says no) and I don't intend to. I think its a shame, however, that some of my buddies have to take a risk smoking it in this "free country." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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meh it effects every one differently just like the booze. when i drink booze i get happy and bubbly, i aways have. my friend on the other hand always refuses to give up his keys and picks fights with EVERYONE he is not friends with.
pot with me was always a motivator. smoke some dope, paint the fence. smoke some dope, hang drywall. smoke some dope, finish the basement. smoke some dope, work on restoring the nissan. i dont smoke anymore because with a family i can't really afford to. but still will every now-and-then when it comes around (i do not activly look for it). so it doesn't make every one stupid and lazy, i have a feeling those people are stupid and lazy to begin with. if anything it has allowed my to be more focused, enthused, and motivated at the manual tasks at hand. makes the boring tolerable. and i've never had a problem quiting. |
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I have no problem legalizing all drugs. but if you do drugs you do not get the benefit of free medical care (welfare) free food (welfare) can't work a job that handles money, or dangerous equipment and can't have a drivers license or operate a motor vehicle. then smoke, snort or shoot up anything you want. violate any of the above and it's a 20 year sentence automatic with no parole. oh and any kids you have get adopted out to a healthy family. Ah, good ol' Stormwalker's AmeriKa: Land of the Frei!
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who decides? oh yeah..the government We decide, as we elect the government... And 'we' (the majority of the US population) have said NO weed... There is NO Constitutional nexus for a 'right' to weed, unless the Court declares one to exist via the 9th.... So get over it, grow up, and follow the damn law... It's really damn easy... Acting like drugs are illegal because some 'man in a building in DC' decided to be a buzzkill = STUPID... I comply with the law in this instance. However, its easy for me, drugs are not apart of my "...pursuit of happiness." Hell, at this point in life I don't even drink much. With that said, I don't agree with the law for the same reason I don't believe in gun control laws. IF(...or when) the anti-gun crowd makes its move against private ownership of assault weapons I will oppose them, as I do now. If they succeed in passing laws against private ownership of guns I will not comply. I will break the law. Drugs can be destructive, their users are ingesting chemicals into their own body for effect. Drugs are not used to induce destruction. You could say "by design" they are not intended to induce destruction. Guns by design have the intended use to shoot living things, and "...make them dead." That's a fact. Sure few of us use them to hurt people, but that IS their design. Assault Weapons where NOT designed for us to use to hunt animals. The "modern" liberals are right, assault weapons were not designed for target practice or to hunt animals, they where designed to shoot people. By design they are very dangerous tools. I believe the operator of the tool should be held accountable for the tools use, but I support the right of the individual to own the tool. I have a hard time supporting the idea that people have "natural" rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and then saying that ONLY my version of those rights is acceptable. Like I said, I believe people should be held accountable for their actions. Society has a right to enforce laws punishing an individual who infrings on another individuals right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I support that but I don't support laws that attempt to affect our own private, personal behavior. Drugs are drugs... Alcohol is legal, and many people are injured and killed by intoxicated alcohol users. The same can be said for tobacco. Tobacco's cost on individuals and society as a whole is tremendous....but tobacco is legal. Far more people are injured or killed by the use of alcohol and tobacco each year then other drugs. If you want to use the "cost" on society as a reason to make something illegal, then alcohol and tobacco should be illegal. I hate hypocrisy. I am an individualist, I believe in freedom, even dangerous freedom. I support the bill of rights and believe in the ideals expressed through them. I do not use drugs but I don't believe my personal choice has to be YOUR personal choice. I do not want a "daddy" government that tries to protect me from myself. Sorry.....I am an American. |
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Keep on smoking dope. That effectively removes you from the workforce and gives me job security. Keep dreaming. I am not sure if you are not on the pipe with a statement like that. Multitudes of high earners smoke weed, and they still kick ass in the workplace. |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. You know 3 people and that makes me wrong? Pot is psychologically addictive, the physical aspects are subtle and short-termed. I was a habitual pot smoker (every day) for many, many years...probably longer than you've been on the planet and just quit. I quit because it was bad for my life. No incentive, no drive. My priorities changed. If the guy you know got violent, then that is deep-seeded in his personality. Do some research, you'll find that smoking pot and violence caused by doing so is very uncommon. And if the other 2 you know are addicted, then it is there personalities (some people get addicted to most everything they do). Like I said, physical addiction is not a trait of pot smokers. Psychological addiction, on the other hand, is very real. Life is a bummer without it. Until you realize it was really more of a bummer with it. Believe, I know. Been there, done that way too long and too many times in my life. Don't even try. In every one of these threads some invariably chimes in with "well I've seen this one guy get violent or freak out". I smoked weed all through high school and college and have never seen someone get violent off of just smoking weed and in that time I smoked with thousands of people. Also as you have said it is not physically addictive and usually the "jones" is up in 24-48 hours. |
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Keep on smoking dope. That effectively removes you from the workforce and gives me job security. LMAO!!! I know plenty of people who still smoke regularly and hold down jobs, including some making well into 6 figures. But you go on ahead and keep telling your self that. |
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I have no problem legalizing all drugs. but if you do drugs you do not get the benefit of free medical care (welfare) free food (welfare) can't work a job that handles money, or dangerous equipment and can't have a drivers license or operate a motor vehicle. then smoke, snort or shoot up anything you want. violate any of the above and it's a 20 year sentence automatic with no parole. oh and any kids you have get adopted out to a healthy family. Ah, good ol' Stormwalker's AmeriKa: Land of the Frei! your free to do what ever you want. just don't ask my tax dollars to support the druggie lazy bastard, don't put MY family's life at risk on the roads. and don't subject theirkids to the druggie's lazy lifestyle and poor parenting skills. I have yet to see a successful (long term) drug user that at sometime shit his own bed and either lose everything, or never gain it in the first place. |
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Keep on smoking dope. That effectively removes you from the workforce and gives me job security. LMAO!!! I know plenty of people who still smoke regularly and hold down jobs including some making well into 6 figures. But you go on ahead and keep telling your self that. you know, if they are productive citizens and pay their own way then fine. but that is an anomily not the norm. just like alcoloics some get by just fine, but the one that kills some innocent person on the road sure didn't fit in that catagory. and as long as it's not YOUR family member that gets killed, then I guess that's just ok with you huh? |
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Pot doesn't normally make people violent. Too busy munching and dosing off. And pot smokers don't physically have to have the drug. On the other hand, cocaine-based drugs are very addictive, crack being the worst and could lead someone to do things they might otherwise not do, just to feed their habit. sorry, but you are wrong on the pot. I personally know of one guy who got violent twice, he didn't give it a third shot. And I know 2 people who are addicted to it, they say they aren't, but you should see them when they don't get any. I do not know if this is normal behaviour but I have seen other people smoke it and it didn't affect them like those three. You know 3 people and that makes me wrong? Pot is psychologically addictive, the physical aspects are subtle and short-termed. I was a habitual pot smoker (every day) for many, many years...probably longer than you've been on the planet and just quit. I quit because it was bad for my life. No incentive, no drive. My priorities changed. If the guy you know got violent, then that is deep-seeded in his personality. Do some research, you'll find that smoking pot and violence caused by doing so is very uncommon. And if the other 2 you know are addicted, then it is there personalities (some people get addicted to most everything they do). Like I said, physical addiction is not a trait of pot smokers. Psychological addiction, on the other hand, is very real. Life is a bummer without it. Until you realize it was really more of a bummer with it. Believe, I know. Been there, done that way too long and too many times in my life. It does not make you wrong, just not completely right. I am sure it is a psycological addiction, however they are still addicted to it. Their house is not fun to be in when they don't have it. Yes they smoke alot daily As for the violence, I stated that he is the only one I know that is affected like that |