[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fake MC gangs (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/5/2009 9:09:56 AM EDT
So, we're out driving last night and stop at a stop sign to let a couple of girls cross the street. They are dressed in biker garb, which is kind or rare around here (and believe it or not, kind of refreshing when you are surrounded by yuppies and Chinese and Indian engineers). So, I look over and it appears they rented a hall or something and are having a party. So, I thought I would drive by and take a look.  Being from SoCal, I expected to see a bunch of Hell Angels hanging out, but what I saw surprised me: They looked like a bunch of weekend warrior types. Several guys were wearing "Sons of Anarchy" MC jackets. WTF? That's a TV show.
I'm guessing the girls saw they were fake bikers and were leaving. Why else would they leave a biker party before 9:00 PM? 
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Why are they going to get their asses kicked. There are a lot of MC clubs all over. Not all of them are criminal groups. There are a bunch of christian MC clubs. Most of the MC clubs are pretty tame. Educate me please if you know. |
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Maybe I should change the title to "Fake MC clubs?"
These guys are not a gang, and apparently not a club because some wore "colors" (fake or not) and others did not. Anyway, I hold no malice for these dudes. I was just thinking it's kind of lame to wear the colors of a TV MC gang. |
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Maybe I should change the title to "Fake MC clubs?" These guys are not a gang, and apparently not a club because some wore "colors" (fake or not) and others did not. Anyway, I hold no malice for these dudes. I was just thinking it's kind of lame to wear the colors of a TV MC gang. Doesnt MC already mean "Motorcycle Club"? |
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The biker gangs have established a code for wearing MC colors. If you have rockers, then they assume you are an outlaw club (gang), and if you are wearing colors on their turf, then they assume that you are insinuating that you control that territory, and if they own it, or want to own it, they will go after you in defense of their turf.
The dominant outlaw gang in an area will sometimes give permission for a non outlaw club to call themselves a "MC" but put restrictions on what kind of colors they can wear and what kind of activities they approve of. What it comes down to is that biker gangs have their own little society, and they are very defensive of the image, they feel that they own the image, and are not willing to share it with people who just want to look cool. Of course in most Areas the badass MC guys are scared shitless to wear their own colors, as in most places it is going to get them into hot water. In my area biker gangs have never really been able to establish a foothold, the local government is just to corrupt and well entrenched, and they are not willing to share their rackets with bikers. The Hells Angels attempted to open a chapter here decades ago, but they didn't last long, their clubhouse got burned down, a couple of them woke up dead in ditches, nobody was ever questioned in the arson or deaths, much less arrested. |
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Maybe I should change the title to "Fake MC clubs?" These guys are not a gang, and apparently not a club because some wore "colors" (fake or not) and others did not. Anyway, I hold no malice for these dudes. I was just thinking it's kind of lame to wear the colors of a TV MC gang. Doesnt MC already mean "Motorcycle Club"? Beats the hell out of me.
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Maybe I should change the title to "Fake MC clubs?" These guys are not a gang, and apparently not a club because some wore "colors" (fake or not) and others did not. Anyway, I hold no malice for these dudes. I was just thinking it's kind of lame to wear the colors of a TV MC gang. Doesnt MC already mean "Motorcycle Club"? Beats the hell out of me. MC = Motor Cycle |
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Maybe I should change the title to "Fake MC clubs?" These guys are not a gang, and apparently not a club because some wore "colors" (fake or not) and others did not. Anyway, I hold no malice for these dudes. I was just thinking it's kind of lame to wear the colors of a TV MC gang. Doesnt MC already mean "Motorcycle Club"? Yep. Quoted:
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It doesn't say Pagans MC club. |
| There's a local chapter of a group called BACA, short for Bikers Against Child Abuse, which strikes me as an odd raison d'etre... They dress like badasses, wear tattoos and all that, but aren't really hardcore. I gather some BACA chapters have drawn the attention of REAL MC's, who consider them poseurs. |
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So, we're out driving last night and stop at a stop sign to let a couple of girls cross the street. They are dressed in biker garb, which is kind or rare around here (and believe it or not, kind of refreshing when you are surrounded by yuppies and Chinese and Indian engineers). So, I look over and it appears they rented a hall or something and are having a party. So, I thought I would drive by and take a look. Being from SoCal, I expected to see a bunch of Hell Angels hanging out, but what I saw surprised me: They looked like a bunch of weekend warrior types. Several guys were wearing "Sons of Anarchy" MC jackets. WTF? That's a TV show.
I'm guessing the girls saw they were fake bikers and were leaving. Why else would they leave a biker party before 9:00 PM? They weren't leaveing just making a METH run. |
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About jacket patches
There is an interesting page about what the patches on biker jackets means. |
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So, we're out driving last night and stop at a stop sign to let a couple of girls cross the street. They are dressed in biker garb, which is kind or rare around here (and believe it or not, kind of refreshing when you are surrounded by yuppies and Chinese and Indian engineers). So, I look over and it appears they rented a hall or something and are having a party. So, I thought I would drive by and take a look. Being from SoCal, I expected to see a bunch of Hell Angels hanging out, but what I saw surprised me: They looked like a bunch of weekend warrior types. Several guys were wearing "Sons of Anarchy" MC jackets. WTF? That's a TV show.
I'm guessing the girls saw they were fake bikers and were leaving. Why else would they leave a biker party before 9:00 PM? They weren't leaveing just making a METH run. Maybe a Zima run for these guys. 
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Hopefully. Don't pick on the balding, obese, Viagra guzzling, mid-life crisis, black chap wearing, Harley crashing crowd. I know this is going to piss some people off but this whole thing seems really stupid to me. A LOT of guys I work with went out and bought a Harley within the last five years or so. Hundreds of them. And, I don't have a problem with that at all. I don't want one. I have no desire to ride a motorcycle at all. But, they do and that's fine with me, not that it matters to anybody what I think about it. However, all of them immediately had to buy the uniform and get the tattoos. You can't just ride a motorcycle, you have to also dress the part. You have to have the gay looking vest with patches all over it. You have to have the tanker boots. You have to go to these events and wear around chaps the whole time you are there. I have seen the pictures and have been to a number of these events either because of work or because I met some of these guys somewhere to drink beer. Even if you are just taking the bike out for an hour ride in the evening you have to at least be wearing a Harley Davidson T-Shirt or you are out of uniform and the motorcycle MPs are going to hassle you. To me, this is ridiculous, childish, and is a pure wanna-be poser bullshit. A bunch of them have begged me to buy a Harley and get involved in all this. I told them that if I wanted to hang out with guys that dress like the Village People I would hang out in a gay bar. FWIW: I feel exactly the same way about people dressing up in camo or military uniforms every time they do anything gun related whether it is shooting, attending a formal match, going to a gun show or whatever. I used to varmint hunt with a guy. Mostly just shooting jackrabbits but we did some occasional calling for coyotes too. We pretty much went out in the middle of the night on dirt roads 75 miles or so from civilizaton and shot jackrabbits from the truck using spotlights (perfectly legal here). Dispite the fact that we were "hunting" from inside a pickup, this guy would have to wear at least camo pants if not full hunting garb like he was going deer hunting or something. I used to mess with him about it every time. Some people feel the need to wear some kind of uniform I guess. It gags me. I am not without fault in this. I do wear cargo pants a lot of the time when I am shooting. I honestly don't think it is because I want to wear a uniform (I do that every day at work and did it in the military and the novelty wore off 25 years ago or so). But I do like to stuff a bunch of stuff in my pockets. |
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Hopefully. Don't pick on the balding, obese, Viagra guzzling, mid-life crisis, black chap wearing, Harley crashing crowd. I know this is going to piss some people off but this whole thing seems really stupid to me. A LOT of guys I work with went out and bought a Harley within the last five years or so. Hundreds of them. And, I don't have a problem with that at all. I don't want one. I have no desire to ride a motorcycle at all. But, they do and that's fine with me, not that it matters to anybody what I think about it. However, all of them immediately had to buy the uniform and get the tattoos. You can't just ride a motorcycle, you have to also dress the part. You have to have the gay looking vest with patches all over it. You have to have the tanker boots. You have to go to these events and wear around chaps the whole time you are there (I have seen the pictures). Even if you are just taking the bike out for an hour ride in the evening you have to at least be wearing a Harley Davidson T-Shirt or you are out of uniform and the motorcycle MPs are going to hassle you. To me, this is ridiculous, childish, and is a pure wanna-be poser fad. A bunch of them have begged me to buy a Harley and get involved in all this. I told them that if I wanted to hang out with guys that dress like the Village People I would hang out in a gay bar. 
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Hopefully. Don't pick on the balding, obese, Viagra guzzling, mid-life crisis, black chap wearing, Harley crashing crowd. WUBs: Wannabe Urban Bikers Accountant by day, but, when the clock strikes 5:00 PM on Friday, out come the leather chaps, the over-priced and sub-quality Harley Davidson clothing, freshly washed with fabric softener bandanna, and lastly, "the 'tude". Seems like at 5:01 PM these mid-life crisis males have a lobotomy, and want to act like Billy Bad-Ass Biker. The good side of the bad economy, lots of late model HDs will be on the market due to these same WUBs having to cut expenses. |
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I have a chick bike, a Honda 750 Shadow. I ride every day, rain or shine. I have a leather jacket, gloves, a good pair of boots and a shorty helmet. I have my dress vest for when I ride with the PGR. I don't ride with a club and make no claim to badassedness. And I still have to shake my head at the RUBs here in Florida. I just can't fathom spending the money that they do for such a pretentious affectation that they may make use of two or three days a month. If you want to be a part of a club, join a knitting circle so you don't embarrass yourself in public. |
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Some of the big MC's such as Mongols and Hells Angels, have a rule if they see 5 or more people riding together on their turf they are seen as a gang and its ass whooping time.
Maybe not now as much as 10 years ago, since most of the veteran 1% ers are either dead or locked up. If they are wearing bottom rockers claiming a state, they could be fucked. It sounds like these guys liked the name and logo of the SOA, dumbasses. 
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Hopefully. Don't pick on the balding, obese, Viagra guzzling, mid-life crisis, black chap wearing, Harley crashing crowd. This guy fits the profile as well. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2317/2251259509_7c37d0a904.jpg |
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I saw a bike club last summer.
There colors were an upright sword with crossed arrows and rocker with the motto "De Oppresso Liber". And enough other patches that left me know doubt these were not poseurs. It looked like most were mid to late 30's/early 40's with one guy maybe in his early to mid 50's. Had Colorado plates on their Harleys but never had a chance to talk to any of them. |
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So, we're out driving last night and stop at a stop sign to let a couple of girls cross the street. They are dressed in biker garb, which is kind or rare around here (and believe it or not, kind of refreshing when you are surrounded by yuppies and Chinese and Indian engineers). So, I look over and it appears they rented a hall or something and are having a party. So, I thought I would drive by and take a look. Being from SoCal, I expected to see a bunch of Hell Angels hanging out, but what I saw surprised me: They looked like a bunch of weekend warrior types. Several guys were wearing "Sons of Anarchy" MC jackets. WTF? That's a TV show.
I'm guessing the girls saw they were fake bikers and were leaving. Why else would they leave a biker party before 9:00 PM? Just curious was this downtown Sunnyvale? |
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I think the "GD Regulars" would make a fearsome presence.
MARPAT* Field Jackets with "Born to Post" would make the ladies' hearts flutter, and people would speak in hished tones of 'not knowing which mouse-click has your name on it' *or CADPAT, or Mullticam, or Sans-a-belt |
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They are gonna get their asses kicked eventually Hopefully. Don't pick on the balding, obese, Viagra guzzling, mid-life crisis, black chap wearing, Harley crashing crowd. I know this is going to piss some people off but this whole thing seems really stupid to me. A LOT of guys I work with went out and bought a Harley within the last five years or so. Hundreds of them. And, I don't have a problem with that at all. I don't want one. I have no desire to ride a motorcycle at all. But, they do and that's fine with me, not that it matters to anybody what I think about it. However, all of them immediately had to buy the uniform and get the tattoos. You can't just ride a motorcycle, you have to also dress the part. You have to have the gay looking vest with patches all over it. You have to have the tanker boots. You have to go to these events and wear around chaps the whole time you are there. I have seen the pictures and have been to a number of these events either because of work or because I met some of these guys somewhere to drink beer. Even if you are just taking the bike out for an hour ride in the evening you have to at least be wearing a Harley Davidson T-Shirt or you are out of uniform and the motorcycle MPs are going to hassle you. To me, this is ridiculous, childish, and is a pure wanna-be poser bullshit. A bunch of them have begged me to buy a Harley and get involved in all this. I told them that if I wanted to hang out with guys that dress like the Village People I would hang out in a gay bar. FWIW: I feel exactly the same way about people dressing up in camo or military uniforms every time they do anything gun related whether it is shooting, attending a formal match, going to a gun show or whatever. I used to varmint hunt with a guy. Mostly just shooting jackrabbits but we did some occasional calling for coyotes too. We pretty much went out in the middle of the night on dirt roads 75 miles or so from civilizaton and shot jackrabbits from the truck using spotlights (perfectly legal here). Dispite the fact that we were "hunting" from inside a pickup, this guy would have to wear at least camo pants if not full hunting garb like he was going deer hunting or something. I used to mess with him about it every time. Some people feel the need to wear some kind of uniform I guess. It gags me. I am not without fault in this. I do wear cargo pants a lot of the time when I am shooting. I honestly don't think it is because I want to wear a uniform (I do that every day at work and did it in the military and the novelty wore off 25 years ago or so). But I do like to stuff a bunch of stuff in my pockets. I agree. I have been riding my whole life and I don't get the uniform either. I stopped going on runs etc. about 15 years ago when they all turned into fashion shows. I wear boots, and a leather jacket when the weather is cool, but you'll never catch me with a vest w/ vest chain, chain drive wallet, boot chain, chaps, fingerless gloves, or bandana on my head. The last bike show I went to looked like a Halloween party. It seems like most folks aren't into it to ride, theyre into to go park and pose. Everytime someone asks me to go on a ride, they want to ride somewhere and hang out. I happily ride alone 99% of the time nowadays. |
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How could I have forgotten the bandana ? That is the most ridiculous part of the whole costume.
FWIW: I have owned 4-5 motorcycles over the years and just got tired of it. It's uncomfortable mainly. But when I ask these guys about wearing all this stuff, they try to justify it with reasons why the need all this shit and I know better. I have done a lot of riding and I never had any of it. I can understand wearing safety gear. I am not talking about that. But wearing that stuff around when you are not riding (like chaps) is exactly what you said; a fashion show. I was into sport bikes. I wore a full faced helmet. I should have walked around a bar or whatever wearing my helmet so everybody there would know I was a motorcycle rider. 
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We have a shitload of fake clubs around here, particularly one which went far enough in it's appearances that there was some friction about territory (rockers and shit like that) so they had their members remove their rockers. For many years, we had one "real" MC in our area, and they were something of a joke as well. Minor illegal stuff and a little bit of meth and coke. I believe one of them finally got sent up for murder, but I don't think there was anything to do with the MC in that one. One of the national clubs rolled in and told them all to either assimilate or GTFO. Most of them joined up, and I think they're about all done prospecting now. I'm assuming they got pretty serious at that point, because they're not being visible any more and not getting in trouble constantly for little shit. My first year at Daytona, back when I was younger and a real idiot (as opposed to a half-idiot now) I spent a few days hanging with smaller club and they were trying hard to recruit me. I didn't know much at all about them, but they really were hitting me up. I found out later that they were running stuff from South FL into the other gulf states, and my home was the perfect "half-way point" for their travels. Guess I'm not that MC material, though.
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I saw a bike club last summer. There colors were an upright sword with crossed arrows and rocker with the motto "De Oppresso Liber". And enough other patches that left me know doubt these were not poseurs. It looked like most were mid to late 30's/early 40's with one guy maybe in his early to mid 50's. Had Colorado plates on their Harleys but never had a chance to talk to any of them. 
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A friend of mine was in a pub in England when in walked a bunch of big, bad, outlaw MC looking types. When he left he saw a row of scooters parked out front. There's apparently some mystique around being a "biker" that draws morons like flies to honey. I have no idea why someone would want to be a part of an organization full of scumbags, or why others would want to have people think they are part of such an organization. "Respect"? "Intimidation?" 
There are groups of people who like motorcycles and who get together to enjoy them and all the trimmings. That's fine. I don't get it, but it's fine. The problematic groups are the real honest to god outlaw groups comprised of criminal scumbags, and then the wannabe jackasses who aren't real outlaws but who insist on strutting like they are real outlaws when in the presence of people who are easily intimidated. There's nothing funnier than being out to dinner with some guys from a training course and having some group of wannabes start giving you the evil eye because one of the SEALs is chatting up a cute little 19 year old Coastie that some tattooed dumbass in leather chaps wanted to go talk to. Then the shithead and two of his buddies follow you into the restroom and want to square off with YOU and tell you to warn that "skinny motherfucker" to back off of the coastie because this was "their" bar. Now you could get in this idiot's face and kindly inform him that he's screwing with forces he cannot possibly understand, but that wouldn't be any fun. So you act cowed and intimidated and go "yes, sir, of course, sir, right away, sir!" and make your way past the three dumbasses so you can find the SEAL and "save his ass." Then when you get outside the restroom you loudly announce that this bar officially belongs to this MC club that they were gonna kick the ass of anyone who disagreed. Then when the bar goes deadly silent and the SWAT cops, SEALs, Marines, and a bunch of guys from 3rd SF stand up (all of them armed, by the way) in a silent but very effective "O RLY?" you can watch the blood drain from the face of the lead dumbass. With delight you watch as one of the local SWAT cops pulls his shield out and asks the dumbasses to "have a seat over there". Of course, the dumbass and his dumbass buddies comply with the order like good little "outlaws". The look on our bald, tattoeed, bearded friend as he is being loaded into the back of a VA Beach cruiser for an outstanding warrant is so priceless you regret that you were too cheap to buy a camera phone so you could forever commemorate the moment...and perhaps even use that pic as your avatar on ARFCOM. |
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A friend of mine was in a pub in England when in walked a bunch of big, bad, outlaw MC looking types. When he left he saw a row of scooters parked out front. I take it you've never heard of Mods and Rockers? I have a Buell XB12R but that's as close as I'll ever get to having any sort of kinship with most Harley riders and I mercifully enjoy that a good portion of asshats think of Buells as "Japanese Harleys"-whatever that is supposed to mean. The wannabe toughguy attitude is rediculous.I'm sorry,but bad tattoos of The Motor Company symbol,a skill and barbed wire doesn't mean you're not just another douchebag on a Sportster.There are plenty of weekend Harley riders that are no different than weekend sportbike riders suiting up in Vansons or BMW riders wearing Roadcrafters but there sure are plenty of people who think they need to show the world just how badass they are,and they well and truly suck. As for OMG's regulating on any group of more than 5 bikes,I haven't experienced that one unless it only applies to toughguy Harley riders who want to look the part but that would fall under the "play douchebag games,win douchebag prizes" catagory.It sure as hell wouldn't happen with most groups of sportbike riders I've been on group rides with but in reality,the OMG's - like every other group of assholes- really only pose any sort of danger to others that accept the same kind of stupid.The Pagans/HA's/Outlaws are no more dangerous to the rest of us than Crips or MS-13.Don't have anything to do with them and the chances of falling foul of them is up there with being struck by lightning. As for the patches,I'd say there's a decent chance of them being from the show,especially given the location.OTOH,it wouldn't surprise me to see merch for the show being sold to the same people who'd wear a Billy Lane/OCC tshirt or whatnot. |