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4/5/2009 7:00:30 AM EDT
Neighbor of mine landed at Normandy on something like D+14 and carried a Browning .30 cal to Germany. (I assume this was a 1919. Correct?) And  I know he carried the MG and another guy carried the tripod and ammo. My question is how was the tripod and ammo carried? Some kind of pack frame?
4/5/2009 8:06:25 AM EDT
[#1]
They made a pack frame for the 1919 and tripod, and also an ammo chest that held several cans of ammo. Whether it was used at Normandy, I have no idea.



4/5/2009 8:07:51 AM EDT
[#2]
I have seen a number of photos that involve the 1919 simply carried over the shoulder, and the tripod carried the same way by the assistant gunner.

-Ben
4/5/2009 8:09:12 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
I have seen a number of photos that involve the 1919 simply carried over the shoulder, and the tripod carried the same way by the assistant gunner.

-Ben


That sounds hella lighter
4/5/2009 8:41:45 AM EDT
[#4]
And they had an ammo can of belted ammo in the other hand,too. - usually, not like that one pictured-just the standard .30cal can similar to ones used today.
4/5/2009 10:53:12 AM EDT
[#5]
I can't imagine carrying the pack frame with 1919 and tripod very far. Anybody know the weight of that combination? Or carrying an ammo can by the handle like a suitcase for any distance.
4/5/2009 11:04:53 AM EDT
[#6]
I think the pack frame was the intended way, but I doubt anyone actually used it..
4/5/2009 11:08:41 AM EDT
[#7]


BAR.  Not 1919.  The BAR was used for assault.  The 1919 was rarely used in assault but rather in emplacement defense.

4/5/2009 11:10:56 AM EDT
[#8]
According to my copy of FM 23-45, Browning Machine Gun, Caliber .30, HB, M1919A4, Ground-War Department, 1940:

They just lugged the thing around by hand basically.  There's a way to load it up on a mule (the four-legged kind).

No1 (the Gunner) actually carried the tripod.  As the gunner he was responsible for the placement of the gun, and therefore was the one with the tripod.  He was supposed to pop open the tripod and emplace it.  The No 2 (the AGunner) carried the gun and mounted it in the tripod, then took position to the left of the gun once the T&E was connected.  The gunner got behind the gun to operate it.  The No 3 guy lugged the spare parts chest, spare barrel, and some ammo.  

Remember back then the Army had weapons squads, platoons and companies, so it's not like today where belt feds were everywhere.  

Also this manual was written right before the war (they still have the WWI tin hats) and things probably changed once real life intervened.

Either way though, really the only way to move it was to just carry it.
4/5/2009 12:07:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I can't imagine carrying the pack frame with 1919 and tripod very far. Anybody know the weight of that combination? Or carrying an ammo can by the handle like a suitcase for any distance.



1919A4: 30.5 lbs
M2 Tripod: 14 lbs  (i think this includes T&E and pintle)