[ARCHIVED THREAD] - History question??? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/3/2009 8:40:00 AM EDT
| Does anyone know of any successful negroid civilizations? |
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Does anyone know of any successful Negroid civilizations? Define "successful". Define "Negroid". Define "civilization". The Roman Civilization was a successful Caucasian civilization. As was the Sumerian Civilization China has been a continuous Mongoloid civilization. As in built cities, not just survived. |
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Does anyone know of any successful Negroid civilizations? Define "successful". Define "Negroid". Define "civilization". The Roman Civilization was a successful Caucasian civilization. As was the Sumerian Civilization China has been a continuous Mongoloid civilization. As in built cities, not just survived. My understanding is that the term Negroid is not in common use in scientific circles anymore. Please be more specific in what group you are referring to. ETA: What SIZE cities? What defines successful? Do they have to equal the population of the Roman Civilization? Do they have to have cities of a certain size? What, other than "successful" is your criterial? |
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Arab influence. |
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Of course there was influence from other cultures. What culture exists in a vacum? |
| To give a serious answer, some historians believe the Egyptian Empire was black at its peak. I believe the leading book is called "Black Athena," as the author suggests that Egypt influenced Rome, which influenced Europe, which influenced America. The trouble with this entire topic is that many who study the topic enter with a pre-determined outcome before they begin their research. That goes both ways. The above mentioned book is eithr loved or hated, even in peer reviewed articles. I have an MS is history, and backed out before getting a Ph.D. I mostly focused on the breakup of the Ottoman Empire ans the start of Iraq as well as Pontiac's Rebellion in Pennsylvania. |
| The American Indians of North and South America were very successful communities. They had religion, speech, laws , customs, a means of caring for each other, and some even had sustained agriculture. If you judge cultures on the continent of Africa similarly, then there were successfull and advanced cultures. What they did not have was technology. It has been theorized that technology is not only synergistic, but also transfers more easily from culture to culture along longitude rather than latitude. Specifically, it was historically easier to exchange ideas west to east and east to west than north to south and south to north. It was not that they were unable to grasp these concepts. It was that they were more remote and unexposed to the concepts. |
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Here's a list of empires that originated in Africa.
And there was Nubia, of course, which rivaled Egypt in its early days. In relatively more recent history, the Zulu nation as organized under Shaka proved to be quite successful economically and militarily with respect to their neighbors, until the British decided to hammer them into the ground. |
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Does anyone know of any successful Negroid civilizations? Define "successful". Define "Negroid". Define "civilization". The Roman Civilization was a successful Caucasian civilization. As was the Sumerian Civilization China has been a continuous Mongoloid civilization. As in built cities, not just survived. Cities were built. There is no known literate society known however. This may just be because none of the writting materials survived. However, we have no known evidence that any negroid African society developed writing. Also I'm not sure how technologically advanced they were before coming into contact with other civilizations. As an aside and comparison, the pre-Columbian American societies did not have the wheel as a tool or metal for tools (other than ceremonial tools). An excellent book that does a good job explaining these developmental differences is "Guns, Germs and Steel". |
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Ethiopia, Ghana, Mali.
There were a number in the northern thrid of the continent. The ultimate reason no advanced civilizations grew in the bottom 2/3 of the continent, was solely due to Africa "filling up" much more slowly as a continent, than Europe or Asia. Quite literally, Early ioron age Bantu tribesmen who were migrating ran into the first Dutch colony on the Cape. For advanced civilizations to develop, you need to stop large migratory patterns, and give up hunter-gatherer social systems, and develop sedentary agriculture. In places where this occured in Africa,civilization was created and flourished. |
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My understanding is that the term Negroid is not in common use in scientific circles anymore.This statement is incorrect Please be more specific in what group you are referring to. ETA: What SIZE cities? What defines successful? Do they have to equal the population of the Roman Civilization? Do they have to have cities of a certain size? What, other than "successful" is your criterial? Human skeletal remains are classified as male or female, and mongoloid, negroid or caucasoid. This information is current as of the current academic year. |
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My understanding is that the term Negroid is not in common use in scientific circles anymore.This statement is incorrect Please be more specific in what group you are referring to. ETA: What SIZE cities? What defines successful? Do they have to equal the population of the Roman Civilization? Do they have to have cities of a certain size? What, other than "successful" is your criterial? Human skeletal remains are classified as male or female, and mongoloid, negroid or caucasoid. This information is current as of the current academic year. Not really my field of expertise, but would this be considered physical anthropology vs. cultural? I mean, would someone classify a culture based off of skeletal remains? |
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To give a serious answer, some historians believe the Egyptian Empire was black at its peak. I believe the leading book is called "Black Athena," as the author suggests that Egypt influenced Rome, which influenced Europe, which influenced America. The trouble with this entire topic is that many who study the topic enter with a pre-determined outcome before they begin their research. That goes both ways. The above mentioned book is eithr loved or hated, even in peer reviewed articles. I have an MS is history, and backed out before getting a Ph.D. I mostly focused on the breakup of the Ottoman Empire ans the start of Iraq as well as Pontiac's Rebellion in Pennsylvania. You would be hard pressed to find any respected historians who actually believe this. Not just what I highlighted, either. |
Bet it doesn't get to 60.
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The American Indians of North and South America were very successful communities. They had religion, speech, laws , customs, a means of caring for each other, and some even had sustained agriculture. If you judge cultures on the continent of Africa similarly, then there were successfull and advanced cultures. What they did not have was technology. It has been theorized that technology is not only synergistic, but also transfers more easily from culture to culture along longitude rather than latitude. Specifically, it was historically easier to exchange ideas west to east and east to west than north to south and south to north. It was not that they were unable to grasp these concepts. It was that they were more remote and unexposed to the concepts. The Incas of South America were conqured by 168 Spaniards. That's a load of fail, frankly. And tech was only part of the reason, the Spaniards owned the OODA loop. |
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To give a serious answer, some historians believe the Egyptian Empire was black at its peak. I believe the leading book is called "Black Athena," as the author suggests that Egypt influenced Rome, which influenced Europe, which influenced America. The trouble with this entire topic is that many who study the topic enter with a pre-determined outcome before they begin their research. That goes both ways. The above mentioned book is eithr loved or hated, even in peer reviewed articles. I have an MS is history, and backed out before getting a Ph.D. I mostly focused on the breakup of the Ottoman Empire ans the start of Iraq as well as Pontiac's Rebellion in Pennsylvania. You would be hard pressed to find any respected historians who actually believe this. Not just what I highlighted, either. There was a period of black pharoes. But that was neigther the peak nor the origin of Egyptian culture. |
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This shouldn't be banned at all. It's a legitimate question. I have a history degree (although it admittedly focused on WWII and the Third Reich. However, I know of no major black civilization. Egypt is in Africa, but not African, the peoples there are of a different race.
You might want to go to some black power site and see what they cling too (other than Egypt). |