[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Help with a liberal Proffessor (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/22/2009 11:25:25 PM EDT
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Hi i was wondering if i could get some help cutting my liberal English prof down to size he is making it his agenda in class
to "teach" us handguns are "bad" and wrong to carry and they go agaisnt his "right" to pursue happyness. I would like to get official reports&statistics to educate this academic moron or at least combat him in class. Anything you can give me would help thanks. |
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I know this does not help you, but... as wrong as he may be, he also made his opinion into a career and holds your grade in his hand. There is probably no way to convince him otherwise, and as much as we may prepare you, he can probably keep control of his class very well.
That being said, the first step to combat is to ask him for statistics on his assertions, and demand sources for any statistics provided. That's what he will do to you if you try to provide any statistics (that is if he does not dismiss you outright) and if you DO provide sources, he will dismiss those. If you ever try to bring it up again, he will simply say something like "Oh we don't need to go through this again, I already told you once." So it's best to put him on the defense first. "Where did you read that? I'd like to verify that source, because my understanding is very different." Etc. |
| Keep your mouth shut, bust ass, and get an A in the class. After your grade is secure, write a letter to the Dean of the department of English complaining about how much time this professor spent off topic discussing politics. If you get a D in the class, you'll just look like a whiner. With an A, you look like a good student who could have learned more if the prof had spent more time on topic. |
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I understand what you are saying about grades but i am at the point where i just don't care i do not plan to cow-tow to this moron also i have learned that i have a few supporters in my class who are also writing progun papers he just focuses on me because i am the only person who attacks his liberalism.
I understand that i will not change him and frankly i don't intend to what i am doing is using him as practice. So far i have found stuff he can not argue with such as heller v dc. (i try not to bring in anything that i can't back up) |
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As much as it sucks listening to the propaganda just deal with it. He can make your life pretty difficult if you piss him off.
I have a pretty liberal professor this semester and it drives me nuts, but I know if I open my mouth... she'll probably fail me. Get the A and move on. |
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Hi i was wondering if i could get some help cutting my liberal English prof down to size he is making it his agenda in class to "teach" us handguns are "bad" and wrong to carry and they go agaisnt his "right" to pursue happyness. I would like to get official reports&statistics to educate this academic moron or at least combat him in class. Anything you can give me would help thanks. Tell him that him speaking his mind goes against your right to pursue happyness. |
| Ask him if he is an english teacher or a constitutipon expert. Do like I did and complain to his department lead, if that doesn't work then go higher. His ass is their to teach english not ploitical or his personal views. Or F going to class and take online courses and then you will not have to deal with that crap. |
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Seriously, it isn't worth it. Just get the grade and move on. +1 Dont be a attention whore, he is in a position of power to screw with you. Humor his beliefs until you get your grade. Some people will say to turn in your man card if you do this but at the end of it all, what matters to YOU is your grade. Pissing off ONE prof that will lower your grade is not going to help you. If you really want to challenge the prof, finish the subject and then make sure you wont be under this prof again... then attend the next class as a sit in THEN mess with him |
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The irony of OP's statements is nearly crippling.
Sounds to me like you NEED this English class more than the professor NEEDS your critique of his position. That said, I had an anti-gun English teacher YEARS ago. One of our papers was on a controversy, and I asked if I could write a pro-gun paper against all the anti-gun legislation. I got an A. Did I change his mind? No, but I helped him see some different perspectives. He and I parted friends. |
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I know this does not help you, but... as wrong as he may be, he also made his opinion into a career and holds your grade in his hand. There is probably no way to convince him otherwise, and as much as we may prepare you, he can probably keep control of his class very well. That being said, the first step to combat is to ask him for statistics on his assertions, and demand sources for any statistics provided. That's what he will do to you if you try to provide any statistics (that is if he does not dismiss you outright) and if you DO provide sources, he will dismiss those. If you ever try to bring it up again, he will simply say something like "Oh we don't need to go through this again, I already told you once." So it's best to put him on the defense first. "Where did you read that? I'd like to verify that source, because my understanding is very different." Etc. You could throw opposing stats at each other all day. In the end, it won't change anyone's position. He may be a moron but he's no different from the general public who only believe what is shown on ABC news. Leave the windmill tilting for some other time. Get a good grade and move on. |
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how do you know the guy is wrong if you don't have the stats at your disposal and need to come to arfcom for help?
It sounds like you're arguing from emotion, just like he is. (You happen to have the benefit of being on the proper side of the position, but that's immaterial to my point.) |
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It's a meaningless English class. Just do your work and use the class to improve your writing. Thats the idea right there. What I would further suggest though, is to write the most anti gun paper you could ever imagine. Fill it with a bunch of inaccurate statistics and over the top BS. Make sure you use proper format so he can't knock you for errors. I'm sure he will love your paper based on it's position and give you a good grade. I'm sure he won't bother to verify any of your facts if they support his position, (most liberals don't) and you can out him as someone who is ill informed after you pass his class. Much better than getting into a debate you can't win in his class. |
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Keep your mouth shut, bust ass, and get an A in the class. After your grade is secure, write a letter to the Dean of the department of English complaining about how much time this professor spent off topic discussing politics. If you get a D in the class, you'll just look like a whiner. With an A, you look like a good student who could have learned more if the prof had spent more time on topic. This. |
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Can't say in my 4 years of college did I ever encounter a professor trying to impress any sort of agenda through the material. Do the material and quit trying to be a crusader. i had 1. at the time i was driving this big old ford bronco, he drove an old VW beetle. this guy was all about "the environment" and he used to use me to make a point in class *constantly*. how much i pollute vs. how much he pollutes, how i use more then "my fair share" of gas, etc. i finally called him out in class about half way through the semester and i think we settled into a "mutual tolerable hatred" after that... still did good in that class though. |
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Keep your mouth shut, bust ass, and get an A in the class. After your grade is secure, write a letter to the Dean of the department of English complaining about how much time this professor spent off topic discussing politics. If you get a D in the class, you'll just look like a whiner. With an A, you look like a good student who could have learned more if the prof had spent more time on topic. This. Yes, but i'd say only if it's not in the college that your major is in. |
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I'll go against the advice to be cowardly and turtle-up, life's too short for that crap.
Get your facts from John Lott's research, the NRA's Armed Citizen collumn and present an alternative view point. Don't be obnoxious, but don't be a pussy. If you notice your work being downgraded, have a meeting with the prof, student adviser, department head, ACLU, etc. until it is clear you won't be abused for your political beliefs. All the shut-up and take the grade posters are giving you antiquated advice based on what Washington, Jefferson, Adams would do....NOT! |
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No matter how well you argue, most of your soft-headed classmates will still believe the teacher because he has the authority and "expertise". You certainly aren't going to change the teacher's mind. It's not worth it, don't ruin your grade to try and save your ungrateful, ignorant classmates.
If you get the feeling that a classmate has reservations, or really desires KNOWLEDGE, not indoctrination, approach him/her about it after class. |
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I'll go against the advice to be cowardly and turtle-up, life's too short for that crap. Get your facts from John Lott's research, the NRA's Armed Citizen collumn and present an alternative view point. Don't be obnoxious, but don't be a pussy. If you notice your work being downgraded, have a meeting with the prof, student adviser, department head, ACLU, etc. until it is clear you won't be abused for your political beliefs. All the shut-up and take the grade posters are giving you antiquated advice based on what Washington, Jefferson, Adams would do....NOT! I just hope his oratory skills are better than his writing skills. |
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Bro, I come to Arfcom to forget about these type of things... Just letting you know 
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I'll go against the advice to be cowardly and turtle-up, life's too short for that crap. Get your facts from John Lott's research, the NRA's Armed Citizen collumn and present an alternative view point. Don't be obnoxious, but don't be a pussy. If you notice your work being downgraded, have a meeting with the prof, student adviser, department head, ACLU, etc. until it is clear you won't be abused for your political beliefs. All the shut-up and take the grade posters are giving you antiquated advice based on what Washington, Jefferson, Adams would do....NOT! d- did you just say NOT? |
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Just tell him this:
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat––it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act. from: http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-gun-is-civilization.html |
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Whatever you do, don't buttheads too hard with the guy, be respectful, and do your best to record everything. My ENC1101 teacher gave me a "D" because I wrote a pro-gun paper and he had stated he was anti-gun. I had to go to the head of the department, it was a mess.
A class like English is one where you just do the work, get the grade, and go away. This guy isn't going to change anyone's mind and you're not going to change his mind. |
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Hi i was wondering if i could get some help cutting my liberal English prof down to size he is making it his agenda in class to "teach" us handguns are "bad" and wrong to carry and they go agaisnt his "right" to pursue happyness. I would like to get official reports&statistics to educate this academic moron or at least combat him in class. Anything you can give me would help thanks. Your job in college is to get an education. In this particular class, it is to learn to write the English language. From your paragraph, I would say you are not meeting this goal. Forget about "cutting him down to size", and get a meeting with the Dean of the English Department and get in another class where you can get some help with your writing skills. No offense meant, but you asked. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Keep your mouth shut, bust ass, and get an A in the class. After your grade is secure, write a letter to the Dean of the department of English complaining about how much time this professor spent off topic discussing politics. If you get a D in the class, you'll just look like a whiner. With an A, you look like a good student who could have learned more if the prof had spent more time on topic. This. Yep. And send a copy to the professor. That way, even if the dean does nothing, the prof will get a message. State that the info he spouted was also misleading/false, and devote just a couple sentences citing Lott's research and findings. Finally, send another copy to the president of the Board of Trustees (the dean's boss).
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If he gives you a bad grade based on your political beliefs (keep ALL of your assignments, and record your answers/grades for online assignments on paper should you suspect this), there are always people higher up the food chain that will want to hear about it. You won't be changing him, but you may make an impact on those around you. This is all you can hope for.
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Keep your mouth shut, bust ass, and get an A in the class. After your grade is secure, write a letter to the Dean of the department of English complaining about how much time this professor spent off topic discussing politics. If you get a D in the class, you'll just look like a whiner. With an A, you look like a good student who could have learned more if the prof had spent more time on topic. Winner! School is a game. You need to play the game. I don't know why people expect their civil rights and expectations of common decency to extend into the classroom. :rolleyes: I didn't like it anymore than you do. Fact is, everyone who goes to college has the exact same problem. Your situation is not unique, nor is your desire to right the precieved wrong. However, I urge you - do not learn this lesson the hard way like many of us had to. Shut your mouth on personal issues, say ONLY what the teacher wants to hear, regurgitate the appropriate BS on the test and get the A. If you're still upset after the class is over, then do something. You are only in a position to lose. You have nothing to gain by fighting this battle at this point in time. Play the game. |