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1/8/2009 2:17:24 PM EDT
Just seen on Fox News that many Dims are against the proposed tax cuts being touted by Barry

I've got to admit that I'm somewhat confused about this as I though that Barry was going to increase taxes on business and the middle class.. as he said many times during his propaganda campaign.

Wasn't he going to take from the rich and give to the poor.. or did I get it wrong and he intends to take from the poor and give to the rich??

He hasn't suddenly become a Republican has he?
1/8/2009 2:18:10 PM EDT
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[>:/]
1/8/2009 2:20:46 PM EDT
[#2]
He's said it before..For a about a week after the Palin mania when he was down in the polls. He was saying how if the economy was bad during a recession he would extend the Bush tax cuts.. Then it was never mentioned again probably because it shows that the conservatives are right.
1/8/2009 2:23:27 PM EDT
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He's said it before..For a about a week after the Palin mania when he was down in the polls. He was saying how if the economy was bad during a recession he would extend the Bush tax cuts.. Then it was never mentioned again probably because it shows that the conservatives are right.


Right.. OK then. I can only remember him saying that he was going to let the Bush Tax cuts expire.

1/8/2009 2:23:51 PM EDT
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why not just end taxes for those who make under 50k a year? a very simple tax plan
1/8/2009 2:25:09 PM EDT
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Things'll be interesting in '10 and '12. If we can hold the line that long, we may well be good to go.

I don't expect Obama to be re-relected. He won't have the 'hope and change' platform, he won't be able to get students to vote against the man 'cause he'll be the man, a lot of the radical black community is gonig to be pissed about not getting manna from heaven and I don't expect the economy to be any better.
1/8/2009 2:25:53 PM EDT
[#6]
 He's just playing the game.  "I won't raise taxes blah blah blah but the Congress will!  Can't blame me!"
1/8/2009 2:27:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Whatever happened to the Fair Tax thingy that was floating around a couple years back?
1/8/2009 2:28:58 PM EDT
[#8]
What everyone will see here soon is a power vacuum.  Not unlike the one we have here in IL. The dims have successfully removed the opposition. Now you will see infighting as each faction of the left begins a play for the power. It is already beginning to implode.

Watch IL fuck itself up just like Detroit and NOLA. Definitely a precursor for things to come at the federal level.

-my 2cents
1/8/2009 2:33:02 PM EDT
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Whatever happened to the Fair Tax thingy that was floating around a couple years back?


It will never pass. Congress needs to be able to control the people via controlling their income.
1/8/2009 2:33:44 PM EDT
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I guess the other comment that he came out with today.. "things will only get worse" really means that "I'm going to fuck up the whole show for the next 4 years cos I'm a complete and utter toss pot who doesn't really have a clue, but I'm the best that the Democrats have at the moment.. so I'll have to do.."

Things don't look to good.. do they?
1/8/2009 2:42:58 PM EDT
[#11]
Barry is going to get butt-fucked by his own party.  He just may regret getting the job.
1/8/2009 2:46:38 PM EDT
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Never trust the words out of barry's mouth at all. He has been caught lieing so many times that you can't tell the difference from the truth or the BS the comes out of his mouth.
1/8/2009 2:52:21 PM EDT
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All theatre.  Trying to get folks like the
folks on this thread to buy into an allusion of discontent.  Just like the theatre we witnessed in the blago appt of Senator.  Appearances carry way way more weight amongst the American sheeple, than reality.
1/8/2009 2:55:32 PM EDT
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Quoted:
 He's just playing the game.  "I won't raise taxes blah blah blah but the Congress will!  Can't blame me!"


This for everything that mutha fucker ever does .  
1/8/2009 3:01:18 PM EDT
[#15]
He could not have inhereted a worse presidency..

He has a war that is expanding, an economy that is in the tank and will be for the rest of his first term, the Blagejovich ordeal comming to a head right at his innauguration, unemployment at an all time high for this generation, Escalation in the mideast conflict between Israel and her enemies, Iranian nuke capability only a copuple years away and he will have to decide in a year at best whether or not to attack them before they go nuke, The Russions are causing unrest in the former satelite states.  

he is realizing right now that he cannot possibly keep all his promises and that the shit is deeper than he ever thought it could be.  he is in for a fucking hell ride as president.
1/8/2009 3:01:30 PM EDT
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Giving people a $5000 tax return when they only make $50K had $3000 withheld and only owe $1800 is NOT a tax cut.

But that is what he is talking about.
1/8/2009 3:03:54 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Whatever happened to the Fair Tax thingy that was floating around a couple years back?


The millionaire politicians (most of them) and their multi-millionaire backers don't want a fair tax (sales tax) or a flat tax (income tax) for that matter.

Why would those living off dividends, muni bonds, long term capital gains who are barely paying 10% to 15% of their true "income" in taxes through legal tax "avoidance" mechanisms, want to pay a flat 23% or more on everything they make?

Nope, they'd rather set the great unwashed against the middle and upper-middle classes by claiming anyone paid over $100K on W2 should be taxed to oblivion, while leaving the dividend-drawing "capitalist" owners raking in $1M+ a year.
1/8/2009 3:05:41 PM EDT
[#18]
He might be a liberal, but I am almost certain he is going to be more moderate and conservative than Bush ever was.
1/8/2009 3:14:51 PM EDT
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He might be a liberal, but I am almost certain he is going to be more moderate and conservative than Bush ever was.


Which going by his voting record in the Illinios Senate would be a complete turn about.. wouldn't you agree

So what about all the fuck heads that got him elected in the first place? Not that I give a shit about them... its just that it pisses me of when these people who stand for public office suddenly turn round and do the complete opposit to what got them elected.

Shower of shit the lot of them. At the end of the day all they ever have is their own self importance to think about.

1/8/2009 3:26:28 PM EDT
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What has started already?  An apostrophe shortage?  
1/8/2009 3:29:44 PM EDT
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What everyone will see here soon is a power vacuum.  Not unlike the one we have here in IL. The dims have successfully removed the opposition. Now you will see infighting as each faction of the left begins a play for the power. It is already beginning to implode.

Watch IL fuck itself up just like Detroit and NOLA. Definitely a precursor for things to come at the federal level.

-my 2cents


Illinois has been FUBARed since 1818....it hasn't collapsed yet.

However the infighting in DC will be great to watch.
1/8/2009 3:38:16 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
What everyone will see here soon is a power vacuum.  Not unlike the one we have here in IL. The dims have successfully removed the opposition. Now you will see infighting as each faction of the left begins a play for the power. It is already beginning to implode.

Watch IL fuck itself up just like Detroit and NOLA. Definitely a precursor for things to come at the federal level.

-my 2cents


Illinois has been FUBARed since 1818....it hasn't collapsed yet.

However the infighting in DC will be great to watch.


Good point