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1/6/2009 5:16:28 AM EDT
is there a way i can do this without the system monitor finding out? i have administrative rights on the PC and can do pretty much whatever i want. they just told me not to surf the net while im working.

any help??
1/6/2009 5:17:09 AM EDT
[#1]
jobrelatedstuff.com

1/6/2009 5:17:37 AM EDT
[#2]
Get an Iphone
1/6/2009 5:18:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Isn't there a tack of all the different links to the same website?
1/6/2009 5:19:28 AM EDT
[#4]
if yo can surf .. but not arfcom... go ahead and find a work around..



if they say dont surf while working.  

then it isnt worth it.


i used to bring in a PDA to do it from.

on your phone ar15.com/lite..
or DL operamini and go to town ..




i dont wanna read your  I got fired for surfing afrcom thread ..  


1/6/2009 5:20:18 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Get an Iphone



This.  If you are surfing on their PC at all, even via jobrelatedstuff, they can tell.

Better yet, get to work.
1/6/2009 5:20:21 AM EDT
[#6]
since you wont listen  

whats this tunneling ive heard mentioned a few times ?

would that work for him here ?
1/6/2009 5:26:02 AM EDT
[#7]


Quoted:


since you wont listen  




whats this tunneling ive heard mentioned a few times ?



would that work for him here ?

If you aren't savvy enough to know how to do tunneling you probably won't be able to set it up correctly.  It takes some know-how.





 
1/6/2009 5:26:26 AM EDT
[#8]
wifie has an i pod touch and trust me ive thought about taking it from her but we dont have wireless.

as far as getting caught im in the back and dont get traffic that much. i get my work done and they are happy.

mainly i want to check it during lunch and slow times.
1/6/2009 5:27:25 AM EDT
[#9]
off to work. ill check this tonight

thanks guys
1/6/2009 5:27:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Get an Iphone


Yup, 3G wireless and a your own terminal.  Personally, I'd use a MacBook.
1/6/2009 5:30:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
is there a way i can do this without the system monitor finding out? i have administrative rights on the PC and can do pretty much whatever i want. they just told me not to surf the net while im working.

any help??


RDP tunneled through SSH to your home PC.  

While they won't be able to tell what you are doing unless they look at your PC, they will see a connection w/ a lot of data to an external PC.  That's enough to crucify you in many businesses.  
1/6/2009 5:36:07 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Get an Iphone


That.
1/6/2009 5:42:18 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
is there a way i can do this without the system monitor finding out? i have administrative rights on the PC and can do pretty much whatever i want. they just told me not to surf the net while im working.

any help??



Surfing Arfcom isn't worth getting fired for violating a clear employer policy.  Give the company their honest day's work and abide by your employer's established policies.
1/6/2009 5:42:39 AM EDT
[#14]
proxy server, use a different port than 80
1/6/2009 5:45:38 AM EDT
[#15]
login as someone else and surf
1/6/2009 5:53:06 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
is there a way i can do this without the system monitor finding out? i have administrative rights on the PC and can do pretty much whatever i want. they just told me not to surf the net while im working.

any help??


RDP tunneled through SSH to your home PC.  

While they won't be able to tell what you are doing unless they look at your PC, they will see a connection w/ a lot of data to an external PC.  That's enough to crucify you in many businesses.  


Not only that... but since it is MORE likely that this particular type of traffic is indicative of espionage (corporate or otherwise), getting fired will be the least of your worries once the sys admins inform the FBI and have your home computer confiscated.

-NO, I'm not just sitting around in a tin-foil hat... I was a sys-admin who has called the FBI. It really happens... Of course that depends on who you work for... Let's just say I highly recommend you don't' do this from a government (or defense contractor) owned  computer.


AND...

dont' forget... They don't have to access the computer you're on to see where you surf. The people who admin the routers and corporate firewalls can see that without ever looking at your desktop box. - They'll see the proxy work-arounds too.

If you have a serious IT staff where you work, AND you insist on pushing the rules.... a cellphone with a web browser is the only way.   (and yes, I could snoop THAT too in previous jobs, but I doubt you work in those kinds of places if your asking this question)


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1/6/2009 5:57:07 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
login as someone else and surf



We have a winner.
1/6/2009 6:01:03 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
login as someone else and surf



We have a winner.


except that in many places, THAT is a greater offense than surfing while on the clock.

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1/6/2009 6:03:07 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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login as someone else and surf



We have a winner.


except that in many places, THAT is a greater offense than surfing while on the clock.

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In 100% of firms that I know - that would be an instant firing offense.  Period.  No excuses, no parole.  Gone.
1/6/2009 6:07:55 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
In 100% of firms that I know - that would be an instant firing offense.  Period.  No excuses, no parole.  Gone.


yeah,

If records show you visited ARFCOM, or, for example, YoungGayMen.com you could always claim that you clicked on a desguised link, you got an infected file,  or that your co-workers hit it from your computer while you stepped away as a gag (true story...BTW)  or something and most Admins will give you a pass...

But if you get caught logging in as somebody else.. then I don't care what your story is... Your lawyer can submit it to our lawyer and they can deal with it, long after you've been escorted off the premises.


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1/6/2009 6:14:48 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
is there a way i can do this without the system monitor finding out? i have administrative rights on the PC and can do pretty much whatever i want. they just told me not to surf the net while im working.

any help??


RDP tunneled through SSH to your home PC.  

While they won't be able to tell what you are doing unless they look at your PC, they will see a connection w/ a lot of data to an external PC.  That's enough to crucify you in many businesses.  


Not only that... but since it is MORE likely that this particular type of traffic is indicative of espionage (corporate or otherwise), getting fired will be the least of your worries once the sys admins inform the FBI and have your home computer confiscated.

-NO, I'm not just sitting around in a tin-foil hat... I was a sys-admin who has called the FBI. It really happens... Of course that depends on who you work for... Let's just say I highly recommend you don't' do this from a government (or defense contractor) owned  computer.


AND...

dont' forget... They don't have to access the computer you're on to see where you surf. The people who admin the routers and corporate firewalls can see that without ever looking at your desktop box. - They'll see the proxy work-arounds too.

If you have a serious IT staff where you work, AND you insist on pushing the rules.... a cellphone with a web browser is the only way.   (and yes, I could snoop THAT too in previous jobs, but I doubt you work in those kinds of places if your asking this question)


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The corporate espionage angle was my "enough to crucify you in many businesses."    If the IT people are tracking data you're either going to show up as unauthorized web surfing, or you're going to show up as an encrypted tunnel.  The web surfing may be bad, but it's not as bad as sending large amounts of encrypted data off site.  At least not IMO.
1/6/2009 6:15:50 AM EDT
[#22]
He never said it had to be legal or smart.


A phone would be smarter
1/6/2009 6:26:22 AM EDT
[#23]
Maybe you should try "working" while you're at work.

Just a thought.
1/6/2009 7:29:36 AM EDT
[#24]
Looks like an Iphone or Itouch(if there is wireless available) is the answer to stay undetected.
1/6/2009 7:48:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Our public wireless at work blocks it with a kung-fu version of websence. The only way I could work around it was an https proxy. IIRC all https traffic is allowed via websence.

Talk to the Ed's and see if they will set up https://www.ar15.com

-JTP
1/6/2009 1:04:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
... IIRC all https traffic is allowed via websence.
...set up https://www.ar15.com
...


Websence allows https, but it also logs it .

The traffic would be encrypted, and thus un-viewable, but there would be a pile of it coming from https://www.ar15.com and going to your desktop.

There may or may not be alarms generated by that (depending on the settings the admins used) but if anybody ever actually looked, you'd be busted.


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1/6/2009 1:11:59 PM EDT
[#27]


1/6/2009 1:17:32 PM EDT
[#28]
RDP your home machine and they will never know what your surfing.
1/6/2009 1:32:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
jobrelatedstuff.com



My system blocks this site also, glad I'm in charge of the network. I know if you get me to the range with some free ammo, the next day there would be no record of past or future web browsing  

1/6/2009 1:33:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
RDP your home machine and they will never know what your surfing.


But they will still see the data & port.  They'll know exactly what you have done.
1/6/2009 1:35:55 PM EDT
[#31]
yes, don't surf if your job depends on it.
1/6/2009 1:37:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
jobrelatedstuff.com



it's how I get around the .mil filter
1/6/2009 1:42:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
jobrelatedstuff.com



it's how I get around the .mil filter


We can still use ar15.com here at Creech.


OP try AK47.net.

1/6/2009 5:01:40 PM EDT
[#34]
thanks for the replys.

i pod touch is a perfect idea but we dont have wireless.

i just want to check the site during my lunch or when were slow. this is just a winter job so im not too worried if i get in trouble.

i cant log on as someone else because my pc is always on, there is no logon.
i think the only way i would get caught is if the computer guy had a way to look at all the sites we have visited. can he do that from his pc? other people at work check their email, bank accounts etc. i guess i dont see why this would not be ok?

1/6/2009 9:49:50 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
thanks for the replys.
...
the only way i would get caught is if the computer guy had a way to look at all the sites we have visited. can he do that from his pc?
...



yup.  


technically it's a "it depends"... but unless he's totally incompetent (which COULD happen, your call...) he can see it all from his desktop. Since you mentioned having local admin rights, you could block a lot of that, but THAT isn't very discrete and having those settings changed would just draw attention to yourself.


Also,  using a iTouch with wireless doesn't help at all since the wireless net is still a company owned resource, and is probably still monitored and "websenced". The iTouch wouldn't have any advantage over your desktop...   It seems the cell phone option is the only way to go in your situation...
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1/7/2009 5:18:34 AM EDT
[#36]
ok thats cool.

thanks for all the help guys!
1/10/2009 3:39:53 PM EDT
[#37]
just a thought but since the tech dude is located in another city can he still see where i have been?
1/10/2009 4:19:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
just a thought but since the tech dude is located in another city can he still see where i have been?


It makes no difference where the Tech is located - he can see where you have been.


ETA:  If you are worried at all about them finding out where you have been going - you KNOW you are in violation of company policy and are risking your job.  They have told you not to do it.  Do your job, focus on your work, earn your pay and save surfing the Internet for your off time.  Give your employer an honest full day's work for the pay you earn.
1/10/2009 4:31:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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login as someone else and surf



We have a winner.


except that in many places, THAT is a greater offense than surfing while on the clock.

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it gets really interesting when they establish that the person whose ID you are using is at home while the alleged event took place. That's a witchhunt you really don't want to deal with