[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How was Israel formed (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/2/2009 5:41:26 PM EDT
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I've been arguing the whole Israeli vs Pali Conflict over on another forum. Typical DU scum preside over there.
How/did the Jews gain their independence from the British? School me ARFCOM. The stuff that comes up on a google search is anti-semitic stuff. |
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I've been arguing the whole Israeli vs Pali Conflict over on another forum. Typical DU scum preside over there. How/did the Jews gain their independence from the British? School me ARFCOM. The stuff that comes up on a google search is anti-semitic stuff. You will find more here too. 
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How was Israel formed See this link: http://www.geology-israel.co.il/ |
Well, the Jews used terrorism against the British in the 1920s 
But the British used some tricky political/financial maneuvering to steal the Suez Canal from Egypt, at great loss to Egypt, so the British could strengthen their links to their territories of India, Australia, etc. However that bit doesn't apply here. 
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Land controlled by a series of empires: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British. British territory of Palestine partitioned into Jewish and Palestinian states under UN mandate. Arabs no likey and invade. Get pwned by Jews. Israel is formed. So the Israelis didn't fight the British in getting their statehood? |
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Land controlled by a series of empires: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British. British territory of Palestine partitioned into Jewish and Palestinian states under UN mandate. Arabs no likey and invade. Get pwned by Jews. Israel is formed. So the Israelis didn't fight the British in getting their statehood? Yes they did. Whether it was terrorism or not is debatable though. |
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Land controlled by a series of empires: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British. British territory of Palestine partitioned into Jewish and Palestinian states under UN mandate. Arabs no likey and invade. Get pwned by Jews. Israel is formed. So the Israelis didn't fight the British in getting their statehood? Yes they did. Whether it was terrorism or not is debatable though. I'm looking for more information. |
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Land controlled by a series of empires: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British. British territory of Palestine partitioned into Jewish and Palestinian states under UN mandate. Arabs no likey and invade. Get pwned by Jews. Israel is formed. So the Israelis didn't fight the British in getting their statehood? There was some conflict. Settlers had been moving back into the area for years, and in much heavier droves after the Holocaust. The Brits discouraged this because it made the Arabs unhappy (surprise). There were some radical Israeli resistance groups which did target British military targets, and who occasionally caused civilian collateral casualties. But the actual creation was as part of a UN mandate that created independent states out of the British/French Colonies in the areas of the former Ottoman Empire. |
| FYI, the libtards always whine about the bombing of the King David Hotel. Short version is that the hotel was being used by the British Army as a headquarters and the Israeli liberation groups blew it up after giving a 15 minute phonecall so that civilians could be evacuated. According to the libtards this is just like cutting off heads and sending pipe-bombs into preschools. |
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Land controlled by a series of empires: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British. British territory of Palestine partitioned into Jewish and Palestinian states under UN mandate. Arabs no likey and invade. Get pwned by Jews. Israel is formed. So the Israelis didn't fight the British in getting their statehood? Yes they did. Whether it was terrorism or not is debatable though. The Brits would not allow the Jews to own firearms ( penalty by death ) and greatly favored the Arabs. After slicing and dicing the region they ( the Brits ) finally turned the whole matter over to the UN in 1947. Israel became a State in 1948 with the US and Russia being the first ones to acknowledge it. |
| The term terrorism has a million different definitions. Any class I've ever had on the subject starts out with the SME asking for a definition and then sitting back to watch the bickering over how agency or author x,y, and z defined it and what everyone's personal understanding of it is. It is very hard to get a consensus on how to frame the word. |
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The term terrorism has a million different definitions. Any class I've ever had on the subject starts out with the SME asking for a definition and then sitting back to watch the bickering over how agency or author x,y, and z defined it and what everyone's personal understanding of it is. It is very hard to get a consensus on how to frame the word. This is very true, which is why I hate the "war on terrorism." It is a war against radical islamic groups, not a tactic. Whether you ultimately classify what the Israelis did as terrorism it is important to point out that they did attempt to adhere to many western norms regarding the rules of civilized warfare. |
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You cant really get a grip on this whole thing unless you start at the beginning.
Joshua Isralites Philistines Land of Israel Far as I can see the Jews have been there longer than anyone , right from the start about a thousand years before Muhammad and Islam were even around. |
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Far as I can see the Jews have been there longer than anyone , right from the start about a thousand years before Muhammad and Islam were even around. Yeah but they lost and got kicked out. War is a hell of a thing. Imagine if there was a UN to bring the Carthginains back home? Come to think of it, I think the Apaches and great number of other indigenous tribes right here in the US need their land back too. There is two simple answers and one expensive clusterfuck of one 1.) Bring them to the US or Russia - since there are more Jews in both countries than anywhere else. 2.) Let the Israelis wage war 3.) Continue to try to step in and make peace after generations of brothers sisters cousins father mothers have been killed by either side - what we've been doing for quite a long time and its been expensive. |
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Far as I can see the Jews have been there longer than anyone , right from the start about a thousand years before Muhammad and Islam were even around. Yeah but they lost and got kicked out. War is a hell of a thing. Imagine if there was a UN to bring the Carthginains back home? Come to think of it, I think the Apaches and great number of other indigenous tribes right here in the US need their land back too. There is two simple answers and one expensive clusterfuck of one 1.) Bring them to the US or Russia - since there are more Jews in both countries than anywhere else. 2.) Let the Israelis wage war 3.) Continue to try to step in and make peace after generations of brothers sisters cousins father mothers have been killed by either side - what we've been doing for quite a long time and its been expensive. Door #2 ......... 
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I've been arguing the whole Israeli vs Pali Conflict over on another forum. Typical DU scum preside over there. How/did the Jews gain their independence from the British? School me ARFCOM. The stuff that comes up on a google search is anti-semitic stuff. Look up: King David Hotel Count Bernadotte Stern Gang Irgun |
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One thing not mentioned was the Balfour Declaration of post World War (1919 off the top of my head, but upon typing, looks wrong.)
In the aftermath of WWI, the Zionists were able wring a promise for the establishment of a Jewish homeland from the British, who were mandated by the League of Nations to govern Palestine (hence the term, Mandate and Mandate Power.) The British being A) Generally favorable towards the Arabs and B) broke as church mice in the aftermath of WWI kicked the can of the establishment of the promised Jewish homeland down the road, taking a number of half-measures to prevent, as a earlier poster commented, a orchestrated mass migration to the area of Bibical Israel. In the wake of Holocaust, the calls for the establishment of Jewish state were obviously intensified by the horror and brutality visited upon European Jewry to create the project in place of the resettlement of the Diaspora. The British, busily trying to rid themselves of their Mandates. In any effect the Mandate was to expire in 1948, and the UK had made clear they weren't going to accept anew, due almost entirely to the fact that they were poorer than they were in the wake of WWI, were trying to kick the can down the road, while being pressured by their client states like Iraq, the Gulf Arabs, and especially the Jordanians (then the Transjordanians) to end Jewish immigration to Palestine. This can kicking was the form of numerous studies, commissions and international diplomacy, while facing a danger situation were the Arabs and Jews, and the Arabs and Arabs, were in a state of low grade (and not so low grade) conflict. On the expiration of the Mandate, the Jews proclaimed the State of Israel, which immediately fell under a dismally coordinated, poorly executed, and despite this, almost successful attack by the Arabs. The Syrians, Transjordanians and Egyptians all wanted portions of Palestine, by Regardless of the methods that Jewish groups used, the area now known as Israel now belongs to them by right of conquest, solidified by competent governance. Indeed, the terrorism used by some Jewish organizations was probably strategically counterproductive. However, I would argue the operations to run the immigration blockade, and arm, equip and train an incipent Jewish military capability were absolutely vital. So there. |
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One thing not mentioned was the Balfour Declaration of post World War (1919 off the top of my head, but upon typing, looks wrong.) In the aftermath of WWI, the Zionists were able wring a promise for the establishment of a Jewish homeland from the British, who were mandated by the League of Nations to govern Palestine (hence the term, Mandate and Mandate Power.) The British being A) Generally favorable towards the Arabs and B) broke as church mice in the aftermath of WWI kicked the can of the establishment of the promised Jewish homeland down the road, taking a number of half-measures to prevent, as a earlier poster commented, a orchestrated mass migration to the area of Bibical Israel. In the wake of Holocaust, the calls for the establishment of Jewish state were obviously intensified by the horror and brutality visited upon European Jewry to create the project in place of the resettlement of the Diaspora. The British, busily trying to rid themselves of their Mandates. In any effect the Mandate was to expire in 1948, and the UK had made clear they weren't going to accept anew, due almost entirely to the fact that they were poorer than they were in the wake of WWI, were trying to kick the can down the road, while being pressured by their client states like Iraq, the Gulf Arabs, and especially the Jordanians (then the Transjordanians) to end Jewish immigration to Palestine. This can kicking was the form of numerous studies, commissions and international diplomacy, while facing a danger situation were the Arabs and Jews, and the Arabs and Arabs, were in a state of low grade (and not so low grade) conflict. On the expiration of the Mandate, the Jews proclaimed the State of Israel, which immediately fell under a dismally coordinated, poorly executed, and despite this, almost successful attack by the Arabs. The Syrians, Transjordanians and Egyptians all wanted portions of Palestine, by Regardless of the methods that Jewish groups used, the area now known as Israel now belongs to them by right of conquest, solidified by competent governance. Indeed, the terrorism used by some Jewish organizations was probably strategically counterproductive. However, I would argue the operations to run the immigration blockade, and arm, equip and train an incipent Jewish military capability were absolutely vital. So there. SPOT ON! Thank you! Also check out http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/. I've been to Israel; spent 2 weeks there after Desert Storm. There's no other country on this planet I'd rather visit again than Israel. Fantastic people, outstanding geography, living history! BUT, you will be guaranteed a view that is NOT shown on ANY Western media outlet. After seeing what is really going on first-hand, the State of Israel will always have my 110% support. For the record: "terrorism" is a misnomer; insurgency would be more appropriate. Jewish fighters targeted British military & police, not civilians; they also targeted Arab fighters. After the mass immigration of concentration camp survivors, Arabs began taking their frustrations out on ALL Jews: men, women, children, the elderly...terrorizing, robbing, raping, murdering them. The British did little to help, and the Jews felt as if they were truly on their own. After being nearly exterminated in Europe just a few years before, now they were being targeted once more and the British were doing little to protect them. So the Jews took matters into their own hands. The Mandate was due to expire in 1948, right around the corner at that time... so they began to collectively arrange for self-protection, in spite of the threat of the death penalty if caught with a firearm in their possession. They began to strike back at the British military & police, as well as local Arab militia & terrorists. So, technically, since the Jews didn't target civilians, they hardly used terrorism. More like a targeted insurgency. For the Record: I am NOT Jewish, but Christian with open eyes. |
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One thing not mentioned was the Balfour Declaration of post World War (1919 off the top of my head, but upon typing, looks wrong.) In the aftermath of WWI, the Zionists were able wring a promise for the establishment of a Jewish homeland from the British, who were mandated by the League of Nations to govern Palestine (hence the term, Mandate and Mandate Power.) The British being A) Generally favorable towards the Arabs and B) broke as church mice in the aftermath of WWI kicked the can of the establishment of the promised Jewish homeland down the road, taking a number of half-measures to prevent, as a earlier poster commented, a orchestrated mass migration to the area of Bibical Israel. In the wake of Holocaust, the calls for the establishment of Jewish state were obviously intensified by the horror and brutality visited upon European Jewry to create the project in place of the resettlement of the Diaspora. The British, busily trying to rid themselves of their Mandates. In any effect the Mandate was to expire in 1948, and the UK had made clear they weren't going to accept anew, due almost entirely to the fact that they were poorer than they were in the wake of WWI, were trying to kick the can down the road, while being pressured by their client states like Iraq, the Gulf Arabs, and especially the Jordanians (then the Transjordanians) to end Jewish immigration to Palestine. This can kicking was the form of numerous studies, commissions and international diplomacy, while facing a danger situation were the Arabs and Jews, and the Arabs and Arabs, were in a state of low grade (and not so low grade) conflict. On the expiration of the Mandate, the Jews proclaimed the State of Israel, which immediately fell under a dismally coordinated, poorly executed, and despite this, almost successful attack by the Arabs. The Syrians, Transjordanians and Egyptians all wanted portions of Palestine, by Regardless of the methods that Jewish groups used, the area now known as Israel now belongs to them by right of conquest, solidified by competent governance. Indeed, the terrorism used by some Jewish organizations was probably strategically counterproductive. However, I would argue the operations to run the immigration blockade, and arm, equip and train an incipent Jewish military capability were absolutely vital. So there. SPOT ON! Thank you! Also check out http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/. I've been to Israel; spent 2 weeks there after Desert Storm. There's no other country on this planet I'd rather visit again than Israel. Fantastic people, outstanding geography, living history! BUT, you will be guaranteed a view that is NOT shown on ANY Western media outlet. After seeing what is really going on first-hand, the State of Israel will always have my 110% support. For the record: "terrorism" is a misnomer; insurgency would be more appropriate. Jewish fighters targeted British military & police, not civilians; they also targeted Arab fighters. After the mass immigration of concentration camp survivors, Arabs began taking their frustrations out on ALL Jews: men, women, children, the elderly...terrorizing, robbing, raping, murdering them. The British did little to help, and the Jews felt as if they were truly on their own. After being nearly exterminated in Europe just a few years before, now they were being targeted once more and the British were doing little to protect them. So the Jews took matters into their own hands. The Mandate was due to expire in 1948, right around the corner at that time... so they began to collectively arrange for self-protection, in spite of the threat of the death penalty if caught with a firearm in their possession. They began to strike back at the British military & police, as well as local Arab militia & terrorists. So, technically, since the Jews didn't target civilians, they hardly used terrorism. More like a targeted insurgency. For the Record: I am NOT Jewish, but Christian with open eyes. I'm a Christian Zionist 
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Heres the ultimate hypocrisy of the left wing/Nazi/Islamist douchebag hippies. They claim that Palestinians have a "right to return" yet at the same time they would oppose the right of Jews to return to a land they obviously also came from. They seem to have no problem with the concept of mass illegal immigration into ANY country. "Hey you're poor and Brown? well come on in!! Were all citizens of the world! No borders!" Yet they would seem to oppose the immigration (technically illegal) Of the Jews from europe in 1948. Now why is that? One can only come to the conclusion that it is because they are white and Jewish.
Now if they were Black,Lesbian, Muslims.......... Cumbaya my lord Cumbaya! 
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Heres the ultimate hypocrisy of the left wing/Nazi/Islamist douchebag hippies. They claim that Palestinians have a "right to return" yet at the same time they would oppose the right of Jews to return to a land they obviously also came from. They seem to have no problem with the concept of mass illegal immigration into ANY country. "Hey you're poor and Brown? well come on in!! Were all citizens of the world! No borders!" Yet they would seem to oppose the immigration (technically illegal) Of the Jews from europe in 1948. Now why is that? One can only come to the conclusion that it is because they are white and Jewish.
Now if they were Black,Lesbian, Muslims.......... Cumbaya my lord Cumbaya!
Hypocrites. Well, the Hard Left in the West is more than willing to sympathize with Islamists, while being the very people that Islamists hate most as personifying the "Satanic" nature of the West. If the Islamists took over the West, the first people dangling from cherry pickers and getting thrown under the threads of Catapillars would be the people wearing keffiyehs. |
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Part 1 of 9. Not exactly limited to the creation of Israel, and it's somewhat dated, but a very interesting listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQapkVCx1HI |
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Israel was created by terrorists (or "insurgents if you wanna be PC about it). No one can honestly deny that with the facts laid out in front of them. That may be true, but certainly there is a difference between targeting military/political targets and targeting innocent people. 
ETA: Shit, if the Isreali insurgents were terrorists, what were the Americans in 1776?
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