Posted: 12/16/2008 7:02:20 AM EDT
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/che/
I plan on seeing the movie. Benicio Del Toro rarely gives a poor performance, I'm a mild fan of Soderbergh, and few movies have touched on this history. |
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/che/ I plan on seeing the movie. Benicio Del Toro rarely gives a poor performance, I'm a mild fan of Soderbergh, and few movies have touched on this history. Go to hulu.com and see the 1969 movie "Che!" for free, or rent "The Lost City". |
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Gee , those guys don't look like Bolivians.............. 
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Gee , those guys don't look like Bolivians.............. IIRC, the CIA operative standing in the picture is Cuban, and may or may not have given the nod to his execution, despite orders to the contrary from Langley. His reign of terror in Cuba bit him in the ass.. |
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I'd like a movie, that just once, just once, portrayed Che the way he really was. Sure he was a revolutionary, but they always seem to leave out his murderous streak. I don't have a problem if the movie wants to tackle the whole subject, but presenting him as an action hero, then leaving off with victory in Havana is not the whole story. 
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/che/ I plan on seeing the movie. Benicio Del Toro rarely gives a poor performance, I'm a mild fan of Soderbergh, and few movies have touched on this history. murdering communist bastard, they should dig him up and burn his bones. |
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I'd like a movie, that just once, just once, portrayed Che the way he really was. Sure he was a revolutionary, but they always seem to leave out his murderous streak. I don't have a problem if the movie wants to tackle the whole subject, but presenting him as an action hero, then leaving off with victory in Havana is not the whole story.  No such movie yet that I'm aware of, but this book is great: link |
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For the historical purist it may not satisfy but the actor and director will lend to a pretty good story being told in theatres. I for one will definitely see the movie as I just love movies regardless of the political or other motivations it might have.
Regarding Ernesto Guevara himself I'd just like to say he is certainly a very interesting man. Just as all people who affect as many lives and live on in history are bound be anyway. In the end every side has its story and the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. |
Che is responsible for the murder of thousands of people and some he personally executed.
That;s the true face of Che..... Something happened to him during his motorcycle diaries......something that really touched his soul.....while he saw social injustice...there were other ways he could have done it than using violence. And yet liberals embrace him.... |
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. |
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. +1 |
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That would make a great t-shirt. 
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. |
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. you said he was "impressive"
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That would make a great t-shirt. I'm partial to this one from Thoseshirts.com myself: 
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. you said he was "impressive"
What he did is impressive to me. It may be sick or unethical to others, but so was building using an atomic bomb on several million people. |
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. you said he was "impressive"
What he did is impressive to me. It may be sick or unethical to others, but so was building using an atomic bomb on several million people. ah I see relativism you and I need not correspond anymore nuff said |
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. you said he was "impressive"
What he did is impressive to me. It may be sick or unethical to others, but so was building using an atomic bomb on several million people. Wow, you're right, I guess we should've left them poor ol' innocent Germans and Japanese alone. Damn us, Capitalist American Swine. We should've been bushwacking our fellow countrymen over "social injustice" instead of building our world wide empire. Maybe then the US would be more "interesting".
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... Regarding Ernesto Guevara ...the man stood up for what he believed in. I don't care for the way he went about it, but the idea that someone has strong enough convictions to carry out what he did is rather impressive in my book. So did Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Mao, etc. There was nothing great about che. You're fundamentally broken if you think murdering innocent people can rectify "social injustice", or that it was even marginally non-evil to attempt such a thing. All of the above mentioned people are also incredibly interesting. You don't have to condone their behavior in order to appreciate their historical significance. Finding out what factors played a role in their lives to change them in to such men and what enabled them to become powerful is fascinating. Your disdain for them isn't unwarranted but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to believe what you do. As far as trying to attack my moral or fundamental foundations that isn't really warranted. you said he was "impressive"
What he did is impressive to me. It may be sick or unethical to others, but so was building using an atomic bomb on several million people. oh for fucks sake. |
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That would make a great t-shirt. OH hell yes. I'd take a dozen. 
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That photo is asking to be photoshop with a alien coming out of his chest. As noted above, I think an image of our soon-to-be emperor emerging would be an interesting, and possibly prophetic, image. |