Posted: 12/14/2008 3:54:20 PM EDT
| Anyone know anything about a possible Constitutional Convention? I've heard that only 2 more states are needed to require congress to have one (32 already said yes). This could be real trouble for 1st and 2nd amendments. Last one was in 1787 (I think) when we approved the current constitution. |
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How about repeal the 16th and enact the FairTax?
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer “ The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ”
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Anyone know anything about a possible Constitutional Convention? I've heard that only 2 more states are needed to require congress to have one (32 already said yes). This could be real trouble for 1st and 2nd amendments. Last one was in 1787 (I think) when we approved the current constitution. Do you have even the slightest grasp of how this works? There are 32 states who have applied for a Constitutional Convention for a balanced budget amendment. A ConCon doesn't mean they toss out the old constitution and have a do-over. |
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Didn't we do this a day or so ago?
Edit: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=799963 |
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As I've stated before, IIRC convening a Constitutional convention means ANY part of the Constitution could be changed, not just the part it was originally convened for.
Let's not mess with it these days....... pffft...ok lets say they have one, toss out the old one, and make only one law : that all humans are the slaves of a randomly selected overlord.....does your self actualization so desparately hinge on "lawful" that you will be like "aww damn....guess i better do what masta sez, shit......" wtf does it take to get you off the bench and into the game? |
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As I've stated before, IIRC convening a Constitutional convention means ANY part of the Constitution could be changed, not just the part it was originally convened for.
Let's not mess with it these days....... pffft...ok lets say they have one, toss out the old one, and make only one law : that all humans are the slaves of a randomly selected overlord.....does your self actualization so desparately hinge on "lawful" that you will be like "aww damn....guess i better do what masta sez, shit......" wtf does it take to get you off the bench and into the game? You must have misunderstood what I said 'cause you're WAY off base. I'm NOT a "yes massah" type. I was simply stating that if you convene a Constitutional convention for, say, repealing the 14th Amendment that at that point the 2nd could also be addressed. In today's political climate I'm not big on toying with the Constitution. THAT is my point. Oh, and the problem with the 14th is how it's interpreted the COURTS. Of course, that is/would be a potential risk associated with just about any of our rights. |
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and what im saying is yer gonna do whatever the hell ya want anyway right?
sure its easier if the laws reflect your desires and interests, but laws, being innately illusions, have never stopped anyone from doing anything before and will not do so anytime soon, so you risk little to actually gain much, in a certain sense at least. so they outlaw guns.....zat gonna stop you from havin one? uh no, its not, its just gonna make life more dangerous for the average footsoldier of the state is all.... |
| Oh god I hope not. Have you seen what passes for constitutional scholars these days? Every anti-freedom jackass with a PhD would try to get in on it to push their own agenda. We'd end up with less rights than we have now. It's better to fight over the constitution we have now than try to come up with a better one. |
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As I've stated before, IIRC convening a Constitutional convention means ANY part of the Constitution could be changed, not just the part it was originally convened for. Let's not mess with it these days....... Matthew Bracken, author of Enemies Foreign and Domestic, had something to say about this. It's toward the middle. |
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Quoted: +1Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. Hopefully someone saves a copy of the Constitution.  |
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Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. That would be the point where I started making a list and checking it twice. To find out who's naughty and nice, of course. No idea if that's the case the case though. The only link posted just leads to "link invalid". ETA: List of folks who need to be voted out ASAP, before anyone gets any ideas. |
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Sorry about the bad link.
This is for real. Constitutional Convention Has 32 out of the Required 34 States On Board |
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Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. That would be the point where I started making a list and checking it twice. To find out who's naughty and nice, of course. No idea if that's the case the case though. The only link posted just leads to "link invalid". copy and paste it into your browser. it's a MAJOR dose of tin-foil. further googling of specifics mentioned in the linked article provide NO results. A search of the Ohio state's legislature shows that no such vote took place or even such a bill exists. This is pure tin foil bullshit. |
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Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. That would be the point where I started making a list and checking it twice. To find out who's naughty and nice, of course. No idea if that's the case the case though. The only link posted just leads to "link invalid". copy and paste it into your browser. it's a MAJOR dose of tin-foil. further googling of specifics mentioned in the linked article provide NO results. A search of the Ohio state's legislature shows that no such vote took place or even such a bill exists. This is pure tin foil bullshit. So someone just made up a call about a Constitutional convention for a balanced budget amendment? |
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Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. That would be the point where I started making a list and checking it twice. To find out who's naughty and nice, of course. No idea if that's the case the case though. The only link posted just leads to "link invalid". copy and paste it into your browser. it's a MAJOR dose of tin-foil. further googling of specifics mentioned in the linked article provide NO results. A search of the Ohio state's legislature shows that no such vote took place or even such a bill exists. This is pure tin foil bullshit. Here's your link to Ohio's resolutione. Ohio's Resolution for a Constitutional COnvention Ohio would be the 33rd state. RESOLVED, That the General Assembly of the State of Ohio, pursuant to Article V of the United States Constitution, hereby applies to the Congress to call a constitutional convention for the purpose of proposing to the states for ratification, an amendment to the United States Constitution containing the following provisions:
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So someone just made up a call about a Constitutional convention for a balanced budget amendment? google me up something CREDIBLE that says otherwise. My 20 minutes of research says that yes, this is 100%, pure, columbian grade BULLSHIT and fabrication. |
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So someone just made up a call about a Constitutional convention for a balanced budget amendment? google me up something CREDIBLE that says otherwise. My 20 minutes of research says that yes, this is 100%, pure, columbian grade BULLSHIT and fabrication. How about the Ohio state legislature's website, linked right above your post? 
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Wow, I was not aware that we are that close to having a convention. I dunno about you guys but a negative rewrite of the constitution (eliminating individual freedoms) would be the "press of the reset button" in my personal opinion. people still have football, american idol, beer, and lazyboys. I wouldn't expect anyone else to show up if I were you. |
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It seems that Ohio's proposal got shot down, and that 3 states have rescinded their votes, but the COnstitution states that 34 states need to APPLY for a convention.
Those in favor are looking for 2 more to convene it, and intend to fight the rescinded votes as countig anyway, since they applied. |
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Here's an artilce from World Net Daily, basically quotes an article by Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Institute.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83364 His articles are by paid subscription, so I cannot access this one. The good news is that this is not a current effort on the parts of the states to call a Convention. The bad news is that there is concern that states who voted for a Convention back in the 1980s for a Convention to get a balanced budget amendment wish to rescind their votes, but apparently there is no provision for doing so. So what we are probaly looking at (IMHO) is a legal battle when another 2 states decide to call for a convention and test to see if the cummulative votes––no matter how old––still stand. Sorry, this is not a current fire, as I thought it to be. At least I don't think it is. But with BHO and the current Congress, it will be interesting to see what happens if/when another 2 states can be called upon to vote on this. |