[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How Powerful is Arfcom? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 11/12/2008 3:50:35 PM EDT
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I have been a member here along time and have seen many successful fire missions. As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. If this platform were to become available I would purchase one instantly. Is Arfcom powerful enough to do a fire mission that could persuade H&K to make these available to the average Joe? I'm curious to see what we could do. Would anyone be interested in trying to make this happen? I think this would be a monumental feat for this community. If anyone has any ideas about how we can start this up please post.
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... As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. ... Many people on arfcom would disagree strongly with the premise that there is anything "phenomenal" about a regular AR with a gas piston (and HK's marketing) added. 
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... As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. ... Many people on arfcom would disagree strongly with the premise that there is anything "phenomenal" about a regular AR with a gas piston (and HK's marketing) added.  count me in that group |
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... As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. ... Many people on arfcom would disagree strongly with the premise that there is anything "phenomenal" about a regular AR with a gas piston (and HK's marketing) added. count me in that group Me too. While I'd love to get ahold of one of their barrels, I figure the cost is more than I'm willing to bear right now. Several members had the 416 uppers, but they were paying something north of $3-4k for them |
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I have been a member here along time and have seen many successful fire missions. As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. If this platform were to become available I would purchase one instantly. Is Arfcom powerful enough to do a fire mission that could persuade H&K to make these available to the average Joe? I'm curious to see what we could do. Would anyone be interested in trying to make this happen? I think this would be a monumental feat for this community. If anyone has any ideas about how we can start this up please post. Thanks, j0hn I'm pretty sure a federal import ban is what stands in the way of HK importing most of the rifles that people around here bitch about them not importing. |
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How Powerful is ARFCOM?? I'll tell you this... SPIKES TACTICAL LOST ALL or MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF ARFCOM!  didnt do much though his lowers are still $179  When the supply runs out (as it seems to have already) folks will snatch them up for that price.
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Quoted: H&K does have US facilities that they could use, and if they do end up with an Army contract, they will have to.Quoted: I have been a member here along time and have seen many successful fire missions. As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. If this platform were to become available I would purchase one instantly. Is Arfcom powerful enough to do a fire mission that could persuade H&K to make these available to the average Joe? I'm curious to see what we could do. Would anyone be interested in trying to make this happen? I think this would be a monumental feat for this community. If anyone has any ideas about how we can start this up please post. Thanks, j0hn I'm pretty sure a federal import ban is what stands in the way of HK importing most of the rifles that people around here bitch about them not importing. But, you are correct that right now they are banned by the import ban - signed into law by the first Pres. Bush. |
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How Powerful is ARFCOM?? I'll tell you this... SPIKES TACTICAL LOST ALL or MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF ARFCOM! didnt do much though his lowers are still $179 When the supply runs out (as it seems to have already) folks will snatch them up for that price.
you know what they say "A fool and his money are soon parted" I can buy a complete LMT lower cheaper than i can buy a complete spikes lower. now seriously who would buy a spikes complete lower over a LMT complete lower? 
who do they think they are? |
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*Darth Vader Voice*
The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of ARFCOM! *End Darth Vader Voice* (On a somewhat serious side note...is Spike's still doing the Special Edition EBR? If so, wouldn't that be kind of...Uh....Hm...well. bad, I guess?) |
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How Powerful is ARFCOM?? I'll tell you this... SPIKES TACTICAL LOST ALL or MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF ARFCOM! didnt do much though his lowers are still $179 When the supply runs out (as it seems to have already) folks will snatch them up for that price.
you know what they say "A fool and his money are soon parted" I can buy a complete LMT lower cheaper than i can buy a complete spikes lower. now seriously who would buy a spikes complete lower over a LMT complete lower?
who do they think they are? 
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How Powerful is ARFCOM?? I'll tell you this... SPIKES TACTICAL LOST ALL or MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF ARFCOM! didnt do much though his lowers are still $179 When the supply runs out (as it seems to have already) folks will snatch them up for that price.
you know what they say "A fool and his money are soon parted" I can buy a complete LMT lower cheaper than i can buy a complete spikes lower. now seriously who would buy a spikes complete lower over a LMT complete lower?
who do they think they are?
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I'm new here as well. Please enlighten me. Who is this Jim Zumbo whose name I keep seeing? Jim Zumbo is a formerly prominent firearms and hunting commentator and writer. Until February 2007, he was the Hunting Editor for Outdoor Life magazine and host of the television program Jim Zumbo Outdoors on The Outdoor Channel. He was removed from both positions after he condemned the use of non-traditional looking, semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47 for hunting in his blog. On February 16, 2007, Zumbo published an entry on his blog which read, in part: I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods.[2] Many members of the firearms community were outraged that Zumbo was publicly demanding an outright ban on a type of popular sporting rifle for reasons of personal bias.[3] In response to the flood of threatened boycotts, Remington Arms' CEO Tommy Millner fired Zumbo as a spokesman on February 19,[4] The Outdoor Channel announced that Zumbo programming would be on a temporary hiatus, but did not sever their affiliations with Zumbo. His online blog was discontinued "for the time being" by Outdoor Life on February 19.[5] Outdoor Life subsequently dropped him completely, stating on its webpage that Zumbo would no longer be contributing to the publication once the last of his columns already to press had been printed. Gerber Knives and Mossy Oak severed all of their business dealings with Zumbo as well, as did a majority of his other sponsors. |
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I'm new here as well. Please enlighten me. Who is this Jim Zumbo whose name I keep seeing? Zumbo was the iconic Fudd-> A gungrabber who happens to own a gun or two for hunting wabbits or sport shooting who advocates banning everything else. He wrote a scathing article calling the AR15 a 'terrorist rifle' and anyone who owns one a terrorist. He advocated a complete ban of 'terrorist rifles'. Too bad his biggest sponsor was Remington. Those 'terrorist rifles' happen to shoot a cartridge called the .223 Remington and Remington was about to release their own version called the R-15. He trashed his employer, he trashed his employer's customers, and he trashed his employer's products. Not stellar career moves. Then the Arfcom thread and emails starting pouring in and the rest is history. |
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How Powerful is ARFCOM?? I'll tell you this... SPIKES TACTICAL LOST ALL or MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF ARFCOM! didnt do much though his lowers are still $179 When the supply runs out (as it seems to have already) folks will snatch them up for that price.
you know what they say "A fool and his money are soon parted" I can buy a complete LMT lower cheaper than i can buy a complete spikes lower. now seriously who would buy a spikes complete lower over a LMT complete lower?
who do they think they are? Not sure what character but that is solid proof they are loony tunes. |
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Quoted: I'm new here as well. Please enlighten me. Who is this Jim Zumbo whose name I keep seeing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo The speed with which calls for Zumbo's termination were acted on by his sponsors and employers (initial responses from sponsors occurred within a 36-hour period after he posted the first of two blog entries on the topic) were seen by many participants as evidence of the power of the Internet and of the "new media," including the "blogosphere," to influence and shape sociopolitical events. The New York Times published an editorial March 3rd 2007 criticizing the destruction of Zumbo's career as overkill and avoidance of healthy debate. [url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-5][6][/url] Two weeks after the blog appeared Mr. Zumbo was invited by NRA board member Ted Nugent to an "education" session at Nugent's Texas 'ranch.' (Picture) Jim was lectured on the sporting uses of AR type rifles by Ted and two Texas outdoor writers. [url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-6][7][/url] On March 20th, a month after Zumbo's column was published, gun control advocate Senator Carl Levin praised Zumbo for "his forthrightness, his honesty and his courage," calling the response to his comments "swift and callous," in a speech that supported the renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban.  Zumbo in turn published An Open Letter to the United States Senate, saying his statements had been misrepresented, and attacking Levin's support of gun control legislation as an attack on the Second Amendment.[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-8][9][/url]so the question now is what is ted nugent's board name here? |
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H&K does have US facilities that they could use, and if they do end up with an Army contract, they will have to.
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I have been a member here along time and have seen many successful fire missions. As most of us know the H&K 416 is a phenomenal weapon that is unavailable to civilians in the U.S. If this platform were to become available I would purchase one instantly. Is Arfcom powerful enough to do a fire mission that could persuade H&K to make these available to the average Joe? I'm curious to see what we could do. Would anyone be interested in trying to make this happen? I think this would be a monumental feat for this community. If anyone has any ideas about how we can start this up please post. Thanks, j0hn I'm pretty sure a federal import ban is what stands in the way of HK importing most of the rifles that people around here bitch about them not importing. But, you are correct that right now they are banned by the import ban - signed into law by the first Pres. Bush.
I wish the ban was lifted. SIGs reputation has taken a big hit since they started making guns over here, I hope USA made HKs won't be the same. In a perfect world we'd get all of the high quality european black rifles. |
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Quoted: I'm new here as well. Please enlighten me. Who is this Jim Zumbo whose name I keep seeing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo "'Terrorist' rifles" blog entryOn February 16, 2007, Zumbo published an entry on his blog which read, in part: <blockquote> I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods.[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-1][2][/url] </blockquote> Many members of the firearms community were outraged that Zumbo was publicly demanding an outright ban on a type of popular sporting rifle for reasons of personal bias.[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-2][3][/url] In response to the flood of threatened boycotts, Remington Arms' CEO Tommy Millner fired Zumbo as a spokesman on February 19,[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-Remington_2007-3][4][/url] The Outdoor Channel announced that Zumbo programming would be on a temporary hiatus, but did not sever their affiliations with Zumbo. His online blog was discontinued "for the time being" by Outdoor Life on February 19.[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-Outdoor_2007-02-4][5][/url] Outdoor Life subsequently dropped him completely, stating on its webpage that Zumbo would no longer be contributing to the publication once the last of his columns already to press had been printed. Gerber Knives and Mossy Oak severed all of their business dealings with Zumbo as well, as did a majority of his other sponsors. AftermathThe speed with which calls for Zumbo's termination were acted on by his sponsors and employers (initial responses from sponsors occurred within a 36-hour period after he posted the first of two blog entries on the topic) were seen by many participants as evidence of the power of the Internet and of the "new media," including the "blogosphere," to influence and shape sociopolitical events. The New York Times published an editorial March 3rd 2007 criticizing the destruction of Zumbo's career as overkill and avoidance of healthy debate. [url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-5][6][/url] Two weeks after the blog appeared Mr. Zumbo was invited by NRA board member Ted Nugent to an "education" session at Nugent's Texas 'ranch.' (Picture) Jim was lectured on the sporting uses of AR type rifles by Ted and two Texas outdoor writers. [url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-6][7][/url] On March 20th, a month after Zumbo's column was published, gun control advocate Senator Carl Levin praised Zumbo for "his forthrightness, his honesty and his courage," calling the response to his comments "swift and callous," in a speech that supported the renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban. Zumbo in turn published An Open Letter to the United States Senate, saying his statements had been misrepresented, and attacking Levin's support of gun control legislation as an attack on the Second Amendment.[url=http://http//www.ar15.com/#cite_note-8][9][/url] |
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Don't buy HK's marketing hype. The 416 is nothing special. It's just an AR with a gas piston and there are plenty of companies you can buy one from that actually cater to civilians.
Leitner Wise manufactures a system as good if not better than the 416 for A LOT less money. |
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Don't buy HK's marketing hype. The 416 is nothing special. It's just an AR with a gas piston and there are plenty of companies you can buy one from that actually cater to civilians. Leitner Wise manufactures a system as good if not better than the 416 for A LOT less money. For that matter, don't buy into any of the various piston upper hype. |
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| Having dealt with HK as a distributor, I can assure you that if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of ARFCOM executed a written, legally binding contract promising to buy three rifle apiece, HK would care less. They are by far the most arrogant assholes I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. |