[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How long will the WOT last? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/8/2008 1:06:15 AM EDT
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as long as terrorists threaten us... Will it be until they change their society to more like western society? no. There are hundreds of countries that are not westernized, and we dont war with them. Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? ETA: How do we stop terrorist organizations from gaining new recruits is what I'm asking I guess. How do we change their ideology? |
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Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? The factor is: Uneducated fanatical Muslims that distort the Koran to wage war against the country of Satan (USA). To stop the enemy, they need education, hope for a future, jobs, reduced corruption, security, and good leaders they can look up to. And those that dont want that; need to get dead. |
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Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? The factor is: Uneducated fanatical Muslims that distort the Koran to wage war against the country of Satan (USA). To stop the enemy, they need education, hope for a future, jobs, reduced corruption, security, and good leaders they can look up to. And those that dont want that; need to get dead. Excellent, I like that plan. |
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as long as terrorists threaten us... Will it be until they change their society to more like western society? no. There are hundreds of countries that are not westernized, and we dont war with them. Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? ETA: How do we stop terrorist organizations from gaining new recruits is what I'm asking I guess. How do we change their ideology? Kill them. |
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Hate to say it; forever. Radical Islam will not go away quickly. They believe that we should not exist and the only way we can be spared is for us to convert. Radical Islam is on the downswing, it started climbing in the very early 20th Century as radical views gained political support and power and peaked with the UAR, since then the 'legitimate" political power of the radicals in the Islamic world has been greatly diminishing as education and moderation has reached the Islamic street. the rise in terror has been a result of the radicals failure to maintain or regain political supremacy. While Nasser, and others threw out the remnants of most heretical regimes in the 50s and 60's, they gained some legitimacy. With that legitimacy, however coincidentally came improved conditions for most people, more education and social liberalization. the governments moved past orthodoxy, and the radicals gradually lost power. Now they are pretty much limited to unconventional warfare and terrorism as weapons, except for Iran, and even there the people don't support the radical regime. As long as the people are relatively comfortable, and getting educated, they see no reason to go radical. In fact just the opposite. They look at their TVs, the internet, etc and the Mullahs say, "the great Satan is oppressing you, throw out your TVs, your movies, your dances, no flirting, kill your women, follow us to martyrdom." Now who do you think is going to be followed? |
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How long do you guess the war on terror will go on? If Obama pulls us out of Iraq? Indefinately... Without victory in Iraq, we can't win the wider campaign... Nothing we do in A-stan or other 'rim' nations will change this. But we also can't let them win... So we end up in the Israeli position (Forever war).... |
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Afghanistan is expected to be a thirty year program in nation building. Unless we cut and run before the job is done, I don't see us getting out any sooner.
I also don't see us getting out of Iraq 100 %. It will evolve into being the next hardship tour for troops, much like Korea has been for many years, but we will have a presence there at least as long as we've been in Korea. |
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Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? The factor is: Uneducated fanatical Muslims that distort the Koran to wage war against the country of Satan (USA). To stop the enemy, they need education, hope for a future, jobs, reduced corruption, security, and good leaders they can look up to. And those that dont want that; need to get dead. That's a much too simplistic answer. Just look at the top leadership of al Qaeda- Bin Laden comes from a well-educated millionaire family, he has millions to his name as well and has a university degree. Al Zawahiri went through medical school and is a qualified surgeon. No doubt the rest of their leaders have been through universities and they aren't as stupid as many people make them out to be, after all they haven't been caught yet and they inflict heavy losses on our troops and allies while at the same time recruiting hundreds, if not thousands, of people from across the muslim world. I believe that so long as Islam exists, fundementalists will exist as well. For us to win we have to eliminate all the top leadership and show everyone that it's not worth it to join their cause. |
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as long as terrorists threaten us... Will it be until they change their society to more like western society? no. There are hundreds of countries that are not westernized, and we dont war with them. Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? ETA: How do we stop terrorist organizations from gaining new recruits is what I'm asking I guess. How do we change their ideology? Well, this is just apet theory of mine but you gotta look a two factors. #1 Teh problem is Islam. Historially speaking they have been doing this stuff to people since 700AD. Constantly at war with Hindus and Christains and "pagans" and Bhuddists. It just part of their basic ideology that it is acceptable to conquer the world for God through the sword. their leader did it, now they do it. #2 the REAL problem is not so much the olde texts but just a lack of resources combined with a high birthrate. From Morrocco all the way through indonesia they dont exactly inhabit great farmlands or mineral rich regions. (though some do.) Oil is their only real product and not all of them have oil either. Combine that with modern medicine that prevents high mortality. You end up with a burgeoning population and no place to go. Solution? War. (note: Europe solved its problem by colonizing the new world, but what happened when the "last of the frontiers" dissappeared? World war one broke out followed by WWII) Europe only ended their population problem with lower birth rates and better resource management. |
| Forever, if for no other reason than it gives the gov't more leverage over its subjects. Don't get me wrong, I believe there was/is a valid threat, but the government isn't going to give up the powers it gave itself over these last years even if it goes away and you can damn well bet it will apply those powers across other areas in the future. Just like the "War on Drugs" gave us such beauties like asset forfeiture w/o a conviction. |
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Forever, if for no other reason than it gives the gov't more leverage over its subjects. Don't get me wrong, I believe there was/is a valid threat, but the government isn't going to give up the powers it gave itself over these last years even if it goes away and you can damn well bet it will apply those powers across other areas in the future. Just like the "War on Drugs" gave us such beauties like asset forfeiture w/o a conviction. +1 when the .gov declares "war" on something, it usually never ends. |
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Forever, if for no other reason than it gives the gov't more leverage over its subjects. Don't get me wrong, I believe there was/is a valid threat, but the government isn't going to give up the powers it gave itself over these last years even if it goes away and you can damn well bet it will apply those powers across other areas in the future. Just like the "War on Drugs" gave us such beauties like asset forfeiture w/o a conviction. +1 when the .gov declares "war" on something, it usually never ends. Except those Germans, Japanese, Italians, spainiards, and poverty; oh wait!! 
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The silver lining must always be looked for, if obama pulls out of iraq and calms the WOT, will ammo prices go down for us? Won't happen that way. You are thinking like a westerner not a middle easterner. They will see a pullout as "weakness" and a signal to attack. Happens to Israel every time they pull out of anywhere. |
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Then what is the determining factor that is causing the WOT and what can be done to stop the enemy? ETA: How do we stop terrorist organizations from gaining new recruits is what I'm asking I guess. How do we change their ideology? Right there is the problem. They won't change. Will you change yours? Hell no. That's why you have to kill all of them that follow an ideology that threatens us. That is the part everyone is missing. If someone follows an ideology that requires them to kill/dominate us, then there is no reasoning with them. There are no negotiations. They don't care. The only thing that will stop them is force. Does this mean we have to go kill all muslims? No. Just the radicals that want to wipe us off the face of the earth. Start taking out the cowards that are teaching children to hate us and using those same children as weapons. |
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As long as it allows those in power to continue to usurp our individual liberty. It's a useful tool, just like the WOD, and allows the government and the lobbies that pull their strings to keep the population in constant fear.
After all-if the population of this nation realized the abuses perpetrated on it, the gravy train goes completely off the tracks. |
