[ARCHIVED THREAD] - High Fructose Corn Syrup (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/21/2008 7:13:52 PM EDT
| Have you guys seen the corn syrup propaganda commercials? What do you think? |
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Did some research years ago.....I'm not into the whole "eat green" thing but HFCS is definately bad news. Lot's of cereal companies stopped using it. There are a couple of "green foods" I do buy though. That's one of them, the other is organic milk.....the disgusting things that are in "hormone" milk is enough to make you wanna puke. (because of increased production they have found evidence of PUSS in the milk because the teets get so sore with open wounds.  -- plus all that extra hormones....my wife was big enough upstairs....don't want my daughters having anything bigger than that. My and her genes are not good for a fathers heart----very slender and both side of the family have woman with - ahem- 'large lungs') |
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To my understanding, and I could be wrong, it isn't as sweet as sucrose but has just as many calories, requiring more to sweeten an equivalent amount. The sugars themselves aren't bad per se, but the amount makes them bad. And I myself prefer the taste of sucrose, though I'm used to artificial sweeteners now. |
I'm also trying to avoid HCCS- Ever try to find jelly without the stuff???? Oh my goodness! My kids love PB&J but the only jelly/preserves on the store shelves without it are Polaner's All Fruit and Smucker's Simply Fruit- both are rather expensive for very small jars. After my 8 year old started growing the start- ahem- "large lungs" and other signs of impending puberty- I started only buying organic milk and chicken- I'm positive the hormones had something to do with this early onset. It makes me angry to be honest- I'm not granola hippy or anything- but I do see how our food and drug supply is suspect. |
The hormone levels are IDENTICAL to non rDNA BGH derived milk. It only lets the cow deliver milk for a longer time before she needs to be rebred. If any cow shows anything close to mastitis, that milk is CONDEMNED. If they pass it on and the inspector finds it, there are huge fines involved. Quit spouting off what you don't have any experience with. I grew up next to a dairy. I still visit them. There is more red tape in the dairy industry than banking. |
Pure speculation. Want to know why children are developing sooner? Hybridization and better nutrition. Look up "hybrid vigor". |
yeah- HFCS is an all natural product- made in the Elfin' Tree with love and snugglebunnies. Of course- you're proud to grow inedible corn. what variety do you grow? |
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I think its a super cheap way to sweeten food and is not going anywhere. Personally I would pay a premium for real suger sweetened foods. IMHO - I do think there is a huge correlation between HFCS and the obesity we have. I don't think we process it the same way. That or because its so cheap and everywhere we just eat too much of it. |
This pic is a COC violation. 
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The market only decided on HFCS because of the government blocking good prices on sugar. |
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I totally agree with the sugar tariff point made earlier. However I digress from HFCS. The science behind food is a continually evolving field. Big agro has its pros and cons, pros we don't have famines and only spend 10% of income on food as a nation. Cons: decreased nutrients and various chemicals in our food that we don't really understand. Either way, I believe that food science is totally beyond the grasp of the average person, myself included. |
| My understanding is it blocks release of leptin, so your brain never gets the signal you're full. Also is very high on the glycemic-index-- causes severe spike in blood sugar beyond other forms, which stresses your pancrease and its long term insulin producing ability, causing diabetes. |
Although that is a nice little graph, there are so many factors that influence the obesity level in America. While it would be a nice contribution in a broad discussion of those factors it is misleading in a debate concerning HFCS. HFCS does not change the laws of energy intake/ energy output. Calories are calories. For example soda was used as an example. Any liquid sugar will have the same properties . rapid digestion and rise in blood sugar. no decrease in appetite, even when one consume's large quantities of calories through liquid sugars the receptors in the brain and chemicals in the digestive system that control intake are not activated. Hunger does not decrease. I guess what I am trying to say is that the particular sugar is not nearly as important as how much you consume and your overall diet and exercise level. |
Possibly- but I also know that she drank a LOT of milk for many years and I also know that she has developed MUCH earlier than her peers- I know that there are ranges but even the pediatrician was surprised. I don't buy that its just because she's healthy. Sorry...but I believe when you start messing with nature- you're asking for trouble. Its the same with animals as people. |
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HFCS is bad. One of my kids just kept gaining weight. We knew everything she ate. She was exercising. She kept packing on the pounds. My wife took her off of anything that contained HFCS. She immediately began losing weight and now is back to normal. I am no banner of things, but HFCS should not be used in food. It is not fit for human consumption and is just something used to cut costs. My wife got a video called "King Corn" Take a look at it. |
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My daughter has an allergy to it and vomited profusely when tested. Everything at McDonalds is loaded with it not to mention ALL loaf bread except one we found. We also found that the crap is almost everything - ketchup, pretty much all drinks, all candy, some chips, soups, even hot dogs. Things you would not believe. We believe it would be best for all of us to give it up altogether but it would not be very easy at all.
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People arguing on both side of this issue are FALLING for propaganda. Lobbyists & PR firms on both sides are fighting over this because of .gov funding. Follow the money. Someone someplace is lining their pockets because this NONISSUE is front and center in the public attention sphere. |
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Looking into it a little more, I found something interesting which I really should have thought of in my initial response. High-fructose corn syrup is a mixture of fructose and glucose, both of which are monosaccharides. Sucrose is a disaccharide of fructose and glucose, which means it's a single combined molecule. Basically, our carbohydrate metabolism is based on monosaccharides, which means that disaccharides and polysaccharides must be broken down into monosaccharides by means of an enzyme. Like many proteins, these can be biologically regulated - turned off or on. So, we can't process sucrose without breaking it down, but we can process fructose and glucose without breaking it down. But sucrose metabolism can be turned off in order to maintain blood sugar concentration, whereas fructose and glucose metabolism is much less regulated. The increase in obesity, however, is probably just due to increased consumption. It's put in just about everything - soda, candy, jellies and jams, fruit juices, hell, even most breads. And people are drinking more soda than ever before. Your average can of soda has what, 150 calories? Almost all of that is simple sugars. I know I used to drink a bottle or two worth of soda a day, though now I've mostly switched to water. |
There are very few beverages without it. People get the impression it's mainly just soda, but it's not. Try to find Cranberry juice without it. Chocolate milk. Iced tea. Even Gatorade (and similar sport drinks) has it. |
I grew up on a dairy farm. If the milk from one sick cow was accidentally put in the huge holding tank with all the good milk, guess what? The entire tank is thrown out. The milk is tested on the farm and it is also tested at the buyers location. The buy tests it because guess what, if he put that one bad tank of milk into his huge tanks, he has to dump his huge tank of milk. Sure stuff can sneak through but stuff sneaks through every production process for every food, even organics. |
Ocean Spray does make a Cranberry juice without HFCS in it. I have some sitting in my cupboard right now.  Don't know where you are, but we have Hannaford's grocery store brand juices that have no HFCS in them as well.I seriously curtailed my HFCS intake 4 years ago, and I've felt MUCH better since. A month or two back, I was eating dinner at another house, and happened to see the listed ingredients for a brand of Thousand Island dressing. The FIRST ingredient was HFCS.  I saw the commercials recently, and started laughing my ass off. If they're making ads, that means that it's starting to impact their bottom line. Which is a good thing. |
TOTAL BULLSHIT- THERE IS LESS NUTRITION IN FOOD TODAY. Chickens are raised in barns and never get natural sunlight - so the eggs don't develope complete nutrition profiles- the list goes on and on. Chemical fertilizers kill the important natural microorganisms in the soils. You can't grow high quality food on dead soil. |
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I've been hearing lots of bad things about high-fructose corn syrup in foods. What is it? - No name / No state given Mayo Clinic dietitian Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D., and colleagues answer select questions from readers. Answer High-fructose corn syrup is a sweetener and preservative used in many processed foods. It is made by changing the sugar in cornstarch to fructose — another form of sugar. High-fructose corn syrup extends the shelf life of foods and is sweeter and cheaper than sugar. For these reasons, it has become a popular ingredient in many sodas, fruit-flavored drinks and other processed foods. Check your food labels. You may be surprised by how many foods contain high-fructose corn syrup. Some nutrition experts blame increased consumption of high-fructose corn syrup for the growing obesity problem. One theory is that fructose is more readily converted to fat by your liver than is sucrose, increasing the levels of fat in your bloodstream. But this hasn't been proved. In addition, animal studies have shown a link between increased consumption of high-fructose corn syrup and adverse health effects, such as diabetes and high cholesterol. However, the evidence is not as clear in human studies. Despite the lack of clarity in research, the fact remains that Americans consume large quantities of high-fructose corn syrup in the form of soft drinks, fruit-flavored beverages and other processed foods. These types of foods are often high in calories and low in nutritional value. This fact alone is reason to be cautious about foods containing high-fructose corn syrup. To reduce high-fructose corn syrup in your diet, read food labels. Avoid or limit foods that contain high-fructose corn syrup. Some other easy tips for cutting back on high-fructose corn syrup include: Buy 100 percent fruit juice instead of fruit-flavored drinks. Choose fresh fruit instead of fruit juices. Even 100 percent fruit juice has a high concentration of sugar. Choose fruit canned in its own juices instead of heavy syrup. Cut back on soda. |
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I kinda trolled the poster with the Graph, but I genuinely mean this, good for you! I have also eliminated sugar rich foods and other sources and have seen a large loss in weight. Goodluck with the rest of your weightloss! |
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