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9/27/2008 5:54:24 AM EDT
OK, we've done B-17s and B-24s, now it's the B-25's turn.











9/27/2008 5:56:24 AM EDT
[#1]
I got to fly in the waist and tail gun position of a B-25 when I was 14-15. Coolest flight I ever had!!!
9/27/2008 6:02:51 AM EDT
[#2]
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!
9/27/2008 6:04:48 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!


75mm canon originally used on the Grant tank, IIRC.  Back in the 80s I knew a guy who was the navigator on a B-25 in the Mediterranean theater.  Aside from navigating, he also had the job of loading the gun.
9/27/2008 6:11:39 AM EDT
[#4]
G and H models with a 75mm cannon hand loaded with each round. H model also had and additional eight .50 cal machine guns fixed forward, not including the two on the dorsal turret that could fire forward as well.
9/27/2008 6:12:44 AM EDT
[#5]
Great plane.

The RAAF flew the B-25, but only in small numbers, actually only 1 (dutch manned) squadron, if I recall.
9/27/2008 6:18:25 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!


The Barbie III, an H-model with the cannon, is less than 2 miles from my house, parked behind a pretty good Italian Restaurant.  They fly it all the time.  Really nice bird.  Not nearly as loud as the Sentimental Journey, a B-17 based out of the same field.  But still pretty loud.  



9/27/2008 6:18:44 AM EDT
[#7]
link to book


Just thought I would take the opportunity to plug a book for a friend of mine.
9/27/2008 6:22:29 AM EDT
[#8]
I took Lone Star Flight Museums B-25 "Special Delivery" painted in Dolittle Raider's colors to Oshkosh this year. We took Dolittle's copilot, Dick Cole, up as part of a documentary that is being produced. He is an amazing gentleman and still can handle a B-25 quite well.
9/27/2008 6:24:47 AM EDT
[#9]
Did this one in the thread yesterday, but I think it bears repeating...

9/27/2008 6:26:16 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
link to book


Just thought I would take the opportunity to plug a book for a friend of mine.


booked marked to buy a copy when available
9/27/2008 6:28:34 AM EDT
[#11]
My turn, from when the tour came to Dallas.

9/27/2008 6:33:38 AM EDT
[#12]
From the 'old' Warbird days (notice Lefty Gardner's "White Lightning" in the background)

9/27/2008 6:48:30 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!


The Barbie III, an H-model with the cannon, is less than 2 miles from my house, parked behind a pretty good Italian Restaurant.  They fly it all the time.  Really nice bird.  Not nearly as loud as the Sentimental Journey, a B-17 based out of the same field.  But still pretty loud.  

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0360.jpg

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0606.jpg


Barbie lll at the local Air Fair this past June.



The business end;





9/27/2008 6:50:53 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!


The Barbie III, an H-model with the cannon, is less than 2 miles from my house, parked behind a pretty good Italian Restaurant.  They fly it all the time.  Really nice bird.  Not nearly as loud as the Sentimental Journey, a B-17 based out of the same field.  But still pretty loud.  

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0360.jpg

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0606.jpg


Barbie lll at the local Air Fair this past June.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/BirdsatTwilight.jpg

The business end;

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/BusinessEnd2.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/Ammo.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/75mikemike.jpg


I think it's funny to see all the random house hold companies that shifted over to make war equipment.
9/27/2008 6:54:05 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

I think it's funny to see all the random house hold companies that shifted over to make war equipment.


Pretty amazing, isn't it?
9/27/2008 6:57:16 AM EDT
[#16]


9/27/2008 7:09:49 AM EDT
[#17]
Sexy....













9/27/2008 7:13:50 AM EDT
[#18]
I had the privilege of knowing a Pacific B-25 radio operator.  His wife told me after he had passed he was awarded the Bronze Star.

Below is a crappy photo of a B-25 at Grissom Air Force Base, Peru, IN.  This bird flew in the movie "Catch 22".




Here is a view of just half of the birds on display as seen from the control tower in the first crappy photo.  I included this for size reference, a B-17 is left of the B-25 in this view and a C-47 behind it.



9/27/2008 7:29:22 AM EDT
[#19]
That is my favorite WWII bomber.

My father-in-law flew in those in the Pacific in WWII.
9/27/2008 7:30:24 AM EDT
[#20]
We took my Dad last month up to Delaware to see the Collings tour, but sadly, no B25.
Dad was a waist gunner on a PB4Y (USN version of the B24). Served in Pacific. PBs carried less bombs as they needed more fuel for LONG runs. Also had twin 50s at waist positions, and bubble turrets there, + single tail.
At 82, he was the youngest WWII vet there. Still crawled up and thru her, despite the years and an extra 60+ lbs!  There was an OLD belly gunner there, who was maybe 5'2 and 90 lbs!

And had the great pleasure to meet and listen to my Dad share stories with a gentleman who was a  B24 pilot in the European theater. Had me and the kids' FULL attention!

I'll get the pics loaded up here sometime.
9/27/2008 8:57:32 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
pretty cool

I didn't know about the version with the cannon!


The Barbie III, an H-model with the cannon, is less than 2 miles from my house, parked behind a pretty good Italian Restaurant.  They fly it all the time.  Really nice bird.  Not nearly as loud as the Sentimental Journey, a B-17 based out of the same field.  But still pretty loud.  

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0360.jpg

www.warbirdsunlimited.org/portals/portal_photos/_MG_0606.jpg


Barbie lll at the local Air Fair this past June.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/BirdsatTwilight.jpg

The business end;

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/BusinessEnd2.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/Ammo.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/75mikemike.jpg


I really love that old bird.  There's nothing like having Lunch at Anzio Landing, sitting by the window, and watching them take Barbie III flying.

See her all the time when I'm at home, too, I'm in the pattern, so if I'm in the yard...

It's worth lunch just to watch them play with her for a while...

Anzio Landing
9/27/2008 9:33:51 AM EDT
[#22]
You guys do know there's an aviatin forum here, right?
9/27/2008 9:41:30 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
You guys do know there's an aviatin forum here, right?



Wouldn't get as much face time as GD.

Great photos gents. I loves me some WW2 aircraft.

9/27/2008 9:57:01 AM EDT
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9/27/2008 10:03:35 AM EDT
[#25]
Great thread guys. Thanks for all the cool picts. I plan on building an RC model of the B-25 when I get back from Iraq. I just have to decide which way to go ARF or Kit?
9/27/2008 10:13:34 AM EDT
[#26]
I read "30 Seconds Over Tokeyo" in the third grade. The B-25 always had a place in my heart after that.
9/27/2008 10:17:48 AM EDT
[#27]
My Grandfather was a Chief Master Sgt (E9) in the USAF during WW2. He was one of the chief maintenance NCOs in the AF for the B-25 Mitchell. I think my parents have some B&W photos of him in the cockpit spinning up for test flights. He would have been interested to see this thread, but passed in '99, god bless him. He used to talk about the B-25 Mitchell all the time.
9/27/2008 10:18:25 AM EDT
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9/27/2008 10:19:07 AM EDT
[#29]
We have a member here (P-08) who is a former B-25 OWNER!
They used to fly that LOUD sucker overhead on the weekends, and there was no mistaking what plane that it was! Sweet radial sounds
9/27/2008 10:34:06 AM EDT
[#30]
My Grandfather flew in B-25's during the war.  He was a radio/radar operator, flying out of Ascension Island.  At the time it was a "secret" base, so they confiscated all his film and pictures before he left.
9/27/2008 10:36:19 AM EDT
[#31]
I got to take a ride in one with my dad once. Awsome experience.
9/27/2008 10:53:04 AM EDT
[#33]
From the making of the Harrison Ford movie "Hanover Street"




9/27/2008 10:56:37 AM EDT
[#34]
some random other pictures




9/27/2008 10:58:40 AM EDT
[#35]


9/27/2008 11:04:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Can't forget the US Navy and Marines PBJ-1.  


National Naval Aviation Museum: Mitchell PBJ-1D BuNo 35087




The PBJ-1 was a navalized version of the USAAF B-25. It had its origin in a deal cut in mid-1942 between the Navy and the USAAF. The Navy was anxious to acquire a long-range, land-based heavy maritime reconnaissance and patrol aircraft capable of carrying a substantial bombload, but the USAAF had always resisted what it perceived as an encroachment into its jealously-guarded land-based bomber program. However, the USAAF needed an aircraft plant to manufacture its next generation of heavy bombers, the B-29 Superfortress. It just so happened that the Navy owned a plant at Renton, Washington, which was at that time being operated by Boeing for the manufacture of the PBB-1 Sea Ranger twin-engined patrol flying boat. The Army proposed that the Navy cancel the Sea Ranger program and turn over the Renton factory to them for B-29 production. In exchange, the USAAF would get out of the antisubmarine warfare business and would drop its objections to the Navy's operation of land-based bombers and the Navy would get "navalized" B-24 Liberators, B-25 Mitchells, and B-34/B-37 Venturas for use in maritime reconnaissance and antisubmarine warfare. The Navy readily agreed to this arrangement.

As part of the deal, fifty B-25Cs and 152 B-25Ds were transferred to the Navy from the USAAF. They were assigned the designations PBJ-1C and PBJ-1D respectively. The designation suffix of these and all subsequent PBJ-1 variants corresponded to the suffix of the corresponding B-25 model. The planes carried Navy serial numbers beginning with 34998. The first PBJ-1s arrived in February 1943. They were used by Marine Corps pilots, beginning with VMB-413. Many of them were equipped with a search radar with a retractable radome fitted in place of the ventral turret.

One B-25G was delivered to the Navy as PBJ-1G BuNo 35097.

Large numbers of B-25H and J variants were delivered to the Navy as PBJ-1H and PBJ-1J respectively. These aircraft joined, but did not necessarily replace, the earlier PBJs.

The PBJs were operated almost exclusively by the Marine Corps as land-based bombers. To operate the PBJ-1s, the US Marine Corps established a number of bomber squadrons, beginning with VMB-413, in March of 1943 at Cherry Point, North Carolina. Eight VMB squadrons were flying PBJs by the end of 1943, forming the initial Marine Medium Bombardment Group. Four more squadrons were in the process of formation in late 1945, but had not yet deployed by the time the war ended.

PBJ-1Hs served with VMB-412, VMB-413, VMB-423, VMB-433, VMB-443, VMB-453, VMB-463, VMB-473, VMB-483, VMB-611, VMB-612, VMB-614, VMB-621, VMB-622, VMB-623, VMB-624. VMB-413, 423, 433, 443, and 611 operated in the Central and South Pacific, and BMB-612 and 613 operated in the Central Pacific.

Operational use of the Marine Corps PBJ-1s began in March of 1944. The Marine PBJs operated from the Philippines, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa during the last few months of the Pacific war. Their primary mission was the long range interdiction of enemy shipping that was trying to run the blockade which was strangling Japan. The weapon of choice during these missions was usually the five-inch HVAR rocket, eight of which could be carried on underwing racks. Many of the PBJ-1C and D versions carried a rather ugly, bulbous antenna for an APS-3 search radar sticking out of the upper part of the transparent nose. On the PBJ-1H and J, the APS-3 search radar antenna was usually housed inside a ventral or wingtip radome. Some PBJ-1Js had their top turrets removed to save weight, especially toward the end of the war when Japanese fighters had become relatively scarce.

In mid-1945, VMB-612, based on Iwo Jima, flew specially modified PBJ-1Js capable of carrying the 11.75-inch Tiny Tim rocket. Two Tiny Tim rockets could be carried, one on each side of the fuselage above the bomb bay doors. Launch was by free fall, and ignition was actuated by a lanyard that was pulled after the rocket had dropped a certain distance. After launch, the bomb bay doors could be opened for conventional bomb drops. These Tiny Tim rockets were used during nighttime strikes against southern Japan in the interim between the dropping of the second atomic bomb on Japan and the final agreement of surrender on August 14.

In 1945, the Naval Ordnance Test Station at China Lake, California carried out a joint program with the Harvey Machine Company for the development of an automatic launcher for five-inch spin-stabilized rockets from the nose of a PBJ-1J. Two rotating drums carried five spin-stabilized rockets each. The rockets could be released in salvoes of five or singly at 3/10 sec intervals. A deflector tube ported the blast from the rocket exhaust downward out of the airplane at the aft end of the nose section. PBJ-1J 35849 (ex USAAAF 44-30980) was selected as a test aircraft for the program. Ground and aerial firing tests failed to prove the concept sufficiently effective to warrant production.

PBH-1H 43-4700 (BuNo 35277) was modified for aircraft carrier catapult launch and arrest retrievals. The first landings and catapult takeoffs took place aboard the USS Shangri La (CV-38) on November 15, 1944. Although the experiment was successful, no further work on a carrier-based Mitchell took place since American advances in the Pacific made such an aircraft unnecessary.

Navy (as distinct from Marine Corps) use of the PBJ-1 was limited to a few aircraft being used after the war for test and development work up to 1948.



9/27/2008 11:08:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Joe Baugher's website on the North American B-25 Mitchell.
home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25.html

Great webpage on the USMC PBJ-1.
www.bluejacket.com/usmc_avi_ww2_pbj-1.html


In VMB-611, we festooned the old barracuda with every device known to ordnance and a few of our own design.  We had eight 5-inch rockets, thirteen .50 caliber machine guns (nine firing forward), and a bomb load that ranged from fourteen 250-pound bombs to three 1,000 pounders.   Someone once noted that we had the fire power of a Navy cruiser broadside.  Perhaps.  All I know is that the old PBJ-1 could haul it all out of a 4,000 dirt strip with 60-foot palm trees at the end with no sweat.
9/27/2008 11:21:41 AM EDT
[#38]
my grandfather flew the B-25 in WW2, he told stories about the army air corps when i was a kid, at his funeral they had a wreath with his bomber flight jacket and his flight wing next to the coffin. they are a beautiful planes and my grandmother took him to texas to watch B-25's fly before his death, all the pictures taken at the airfield, he had a prema-grin. what a great generation these guys were
9/27/2008 2:43:09 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
You guys do know there's an aviatin forum here, right?


Just tryn' to bring a little class and civility to the sewer, that's all boss.
9/27/2008 6:09:17 PM EDT
[#40]
I got a ride in a B-25 during the filming of "The Final Countdown".
It was a heavily modified bird owned by Talmantz Avaition for filming air to air.

It was W A Y  cool ! ! !
9/27/2008 6:16:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Is that how they filmed the Zeros/F-14's dog fight?



Anyway,

9/27/2008 7:02:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Skip bombing.

9/27/2008 7:04:39 PM EDT
[#43]
A-20 and A-26 were cooler....
9/27/2008 7:07:46 PM EDT
[#44]
Trivia question:  How are B-25s and the show Gilligan's Island related?

I'll be amazed if no one gets this within 10 replies.
9/27/2008 7:10:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Grandpa flew in 25's in North Africa, was an aerial gunner. The plane got named after his girlfriend at the time cause he was the only one in the crew that had a steady girl.

They named the plane the Miss Dee, for his then girlfriend/future wife and my grandma Delores Hawkins (maiden name). Same Hawkins family as relates to the famous Hawkins Rifle.
9/27/2008 7:14:10 PM EDT
[#46]
If you like the B-25, you need to read the book "Whip" by Martin Caidin.  It's out of print, so you'll have to check out the used booksellers or the library.
9/27/2008 7:21:10 PM EDT
[#47]





9/27/2008 7:36:30 PM EDT
[#48]
My Grandfather's older brother was a Squadron Navigator on a B-25 during most of WWII. He completed 75 missions, and was a part of the campaign agaisnt Rabaul among other things. He is still alive, and I saw him 3 weeks ago. He is 89 years old.

If I can find some pics I will post them. He has some VERY interesting stories to tell about his experiences.

Having been in a B-25, I cannot imagine trying to bailout from the bombardier's position in the nose and crawl down that little bitty crawl space as the plane was going down.

Those guys were incredible.
9/27/2008 7:43:08 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
Trivia question:  How are B-25s and the show Gilligan's Island related?

I'll be amazed if no one gets this within 10 replies.


I cheated and googled it. Wow! I had no idea.
9/27/2008 8:12:28 PM EDT
[#50]
Gotta take off, so I'll bump the thread and provide the answer:  The Professor flew in one during WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Johnson


After high school, in the midst of the Second World War, Johnson joined the United States Army Air Forces as an aviation cadet. He flew 44 combat missions as a bombardier in B-25 Mitchell bombers. During the war, his plane was shot down in the Philippines in March 1945 during a bombing run against Japanese targets. The plane had to crash land on the port of Zamboango. In this mission, he broke both his ankles and earned his Purple Heart. He was also awarded the Air Medal, the Good Conduct Medal, the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with three service stars, the Philippine Liberation Ribbon with one service star, and the World War II Victory Medal. He was honorably discharged with the rank of first Lieutenant on November 22, 1945. He then joined the Army Reserves and used the GI Bill to fund his acting studies.
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