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9/23/2008 4:10:25 AM EDT
A couple of years ago, Sony BMG got caught shipping music CDs with "rootkits" on them, which installed software onto PCs when the buyer put the CD in to play it.  A rootkit is software which allows a hacker to remotely take over a system.

Sony is AGAIN shipping products with rootkits installed.  This time it's USB drives.  Here's the story at Computer World.

It is not specified in the article what systems are vulnerable.  Windows PCs certainly, Macs unlikely but possible based on the limited information that's been publicly released.

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  I regard buying Sony technology products as too risky.
9/23/2008 4:14:41 AM EDT
[#1]
A rootkit is not "software which allows a hacker to remotely take over a system." although it can be. It is simply a piece of software which runs without your consent and makes changes at a serious level to your system.

There has never been any question of Sony's rootkits allowing external control.

However, the CD protection ones did cause certain programs to crash and were difficult to remove.
9/23/2008 6:49:28 AM EDT
[#2]
That sucks!  Is it possible to delete the rootkits when you use them?

How can you tell if something has one before you install or get 'infected'?


-K
9/23/2008 7:08:41 AM EDT
[#3]
IIRC, Sony actually had criminal charges filed against them in some states the last time.

Part of the deal that let them off (in addition to large fines) was the promise they would correct the damage and not do it again.

I wonder what will happen this time?

9/23/2008 7:09:04 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
A rootkit is not "software which allows a hacker to remotely take over a system." although it can be. It is simply a piece of software which runs without your consent and makes changes at a serious level to your system.

There has never been any question of Sony's rootkits allowing external control.

However, the CD protection ones did cause certain programs to crash and were difficult to remove.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit
9/23/2008 7:17:05 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A rootkit is not "software which allows a hacker to remotely take over a system." although it can be. It is simply a piece of software which runs without your consent and makes changes at a serious level to your system.

There has never been any question of Sony's rootkits allowing external control.

However, the CD protection ones did cause certain programs to crash and were difficult to remove.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit


What was even better was sony setup a web page with an active-x script that would remove their rootkit. You had to install the active-x script which would stay installed forever unless you manually removed it. It was shown that the active-x script wasn't locked down and any other website could take full control of your computer through it.

-Foxxz
9/23/2008 7:23:12 AM EDT
[#6]
Did you notice that this story was over a year old?  It even says so in your link...


August 27, 2007 (Computerworld) -- A line of USB drives sold by Sony Electronics Inc. installs files in a hidden folder that can be accessed and used by hackers, a Finnish security company charged today, raising the specter of a replay of the fiasco that hit Sony's music arm two years ago when researchers discovered that its copy protection software used rootkit-like technologies.
9/23/2008 7:44:40 AM EDT
[#7]
Sony obviously subscribes to the theory that hiding files is securing them.

Is all they're doing setting the hidden attribute to the files/folders (regardless of what the files do)?

IIRC, the way to "bypass" the Sony BMG CD rootkit was to
1.  Disable autorun (which should be done anyway) or
2.  Hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.

Folks, if your machine isn't set up to show hidden files (windows explorer:tools>folder options>show hidden files) then make it so.  While you're at it, check the box to show filename extensions.  And click the button to make all folders look that way.
9/23/2008 7:54:21 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Sony obviously subscribes to the theory that hiding files is securing them.

Is all they're doing setting the hidden attribute to the files/folders (regardless of what the files do)?

IIRC, the way to "bypass" the Sony BMG CD rootkit was to
1.  Disable autorun (which should be done anyway) or
2.  Hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.

Folks, if your machine isn't set up to show hidden files (windows explorer:tools>folder options>show hidden files) then make it so.  While you're at it, check the box to show filename extensions.  And click the button to make all folders look that way.


It goes a bit farther then that. Its inserts a kernel module/driver or runs a program at startup that intercepts calls to the filesystem to list directory contents and omits that directory. Any programs running from that directory do not show up in process lists as the rootkit intercepts those system calls as well and feeds it a response while omitting info it doesn't want you to see.

Its not simply a hidden folder.


-Foxxz
9/23/2008 7:55:41 AM EDT
[#9]
No more sony crap in my house.
9/23/2008 7:57:26 AM EDT
[#10]
How can we test our computers for this "rootkit"?
9/24/2008 3:41:07 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A rootkit is not "software which allows a hacker to remotely take over a system." although it can be. It is simply a piece of software which runs without your consent and makes changes at a serious level to your system.

There has never been any question of Sony's rootkits allowing external control.

However, the CD protection ones did cause certain programs to crash and were difficult to remove.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit


I know exactly what a rootkit is.

The software takes control of your machine. Whether or not that allows an outside entity to take control depends on the software.

The Sony rootkit does not "allow a hacker to remotely take over" your PC.

Read the article you posted again. The term "rootkit" refers to the level at which the software makes changes.
9/24/2008 3:48:23 AM EDT
[#12]


Sony pays $1.5m over fake critic


A judge has finalised a settlement in which film studio Sony will pay $1.5m (£850,000) to film fans after using a fake critic to praise its movies.

In 2001, ads for films including Hollow Man and A Knight's Tale quoted praise from a reviewer called David Manning, who was exposed as being invented.
9/24/2008 3:57:35 AM EDT
[#13]
so, get in on another class action time?
9/24/2008 7:14:03 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Did you notice that this story was over a year old?  It even says so in your link...


August 27, 2007 (Computerworld) -- A line of USB drives sold by Sony Electronics Inc. installs files in a hidden folder that can be accessed and used by hackers, a Finnish security company charged today, raising the specter of a replay of the fiasco that hit Sony's music arm two years ago when researchers discovered that its copy protection software used rootkit-like technologies.


Crap, missed that.