Posted: 8/23/2008 8:31:35 PM EDT
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After kicking around in various other threads tonight and reading & posting comments here and there, I decided to put up a thread about this myself, and if ONE PERSON listens and acts, it will have been worth the effort. The forces arrayed against gun rights in this election are formidable, and I believe they are the worst I have seen in my lifetime. I have been a law abiding gun owner since 1974. I have never in my life seen a greater political threat on the horizon to gun rights than I see RIGHT NOW. What really brought this home to me in the past day or so was Obama's pick of Joe Biden as VP running mate. Obviously, no comment needs made here about Obama's views on the subject - we are ignorant proletariat who "cling to guns and religion" and need to be "corrected" by our enlightened, socialist masters - but the choice of Biden for the ticket REALLY brings home to me where we are headed, as Biden is THE AUTHOR of the original AWB, and one of the biggest liberal gun haters in Senate history. Folks, if we wind up with Obama/Biden in the White House, and Schumer and Pelosi steering liberal majorities in Congress and naming Supreme Court justices, I really do foresee a coming attack on gun rights the likes of which YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN. Did we win a key battle in Heller? Sure. But we won it by ONE VOTE. They could tilt that court to the left for decades to come if ONE conservative justice retires or dies. Heller can be overturned, or "modified" in such a way as to render any benefits utterly meaningless. ("Yes, the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right. Here is the single shot .22 caliber rifle you are allowed to own to exercise your Second Amendment rights. Now turn over the rest of your guns because they are too dangerous." I hope you don't think that sounds too farfetched). I see the entire country tipping over into socialism and liberalism if we lose this thing, and with it will come all the social pathology and moral degeneracy that those diseased and bankrupt philosophies have always engendered in their wake. We need this election, AND we need Congress back. What I am asking everyone reading this to do is two things: 1. Join the NRA (today preferably, tomorrow at the latest). 2. Make a donation - ANYTHING YOU CAN SPARE - to John McCain's campaign. Sell a gun if you have to, and give the proceeds to either the NRA or to McCain. Empty out the change jar you keep on the kitchen counter, count up the money, deposit it in the bank and write a check for that amount to the McCain organization. We need every law abiding gun owner in this country to become a member of the NRA. Please spare me the crap about the NRA "not doing enough" for gun rights. I KNOW they are not perfect. But they have been fighting liberal gun control for over 40 years now, and they have the best track record of any group out there for winning decisive battles for us. As it stands now, we don't even have 10 percent of American gun owners in the NRA, and that is sad and pathetic. If that doesn't disgust you, it should. Why do 90 percent of gun owners expect other people to fight their political battles for them? You can buy an annual dues paying membership in the NRA for pennies a day. There are 60 million gun owners in America. We need politicians to see SIXTY MILLION names of registered voters when they look at NRA membership rolls - not just a paltry two or three million that they dismiss with a wave of their hand. Likewise, give something, anything you can spare, to McCain's organization. It will help to fund a TV ad. It will help to fund a radio spot. It will help to buy a yard sign or a bumper sticker. It will MAKE A DIFFERENCE. The time for in-fighting among conservatives is over. The time for arguing about Ron Paul or this or that candidate having been a better choice than McCain is over. If you didn't get who you wanted with McCain, I'm sorry. McCain isn't perfect, just as the NRA isn't perfect, and I know that. BUT HE IS ALL WE'VE GOT. We have to close ranks together now. If we do not hang together, we WILL "hang" separately - and I address that remark in particular to all of you reading this who think it is a "good idea" to abstain from voting just because you wanted someone other than McCain for the Republican candidate. Sit on your ass and not vote as a "protest" because you don't like McCain? Fine. Don't blame me five or six years from now when the gun rights holocaust is going on all around you because too many gun owners didn't vote. I have already given a thousand dollars to the NRA this year. They called me on the phone on Wednesday and asked if I could do a little more. I told them I would try, and I am going to dig a little deeper into my pockets and see if I can give them a little more. I'll eat a few peanut butter sandwiches instead of going out to eat. I'll find something to sacrifice that I do not hold as dearly as my guns and my freedom. You can too, and I am asking you to do that. I have a gun on consignment sale at my gun dealer right now. If it sells in a timely manner, I am going to donate that money to John McCain's campaign. If not, I'll give it to the NRA instead. This is it, guys. THIS ELECTION is going to have profound implications for the future of gun rights in America for all time to come. www.johnmccain.com/ ...and the link for the NRA is right at the top of your page. Send them $20. Send them $10. Send whatever you can. And please, whatever you do, whether you can afford to send money or not, make sure you REGISTER and VOTE. That costs you NOTHING, and millions died so that you could have that right. Remember, too, that one person CAN change the world. Never, ever, ever give in to thinking that you can't make a difference. Keep the faith & God bless. "Six Two" out. |
at this.
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A question, I've never donated to a candidate before. If I donate to McCain's campaign (which I had planned to do before this post) How do I let them/him know that my money is being donated to specifically protect the second amendment? I hate BHO for 100% of his positions on the issues, but the RKBA is #1 to me. Work in my field has been tough to come by recently, and any $$$ I send his way will HURT. I want to make sure that he/they understand WHY I'm giving him money. |
Include a letter if you send by mail. Send an e-mail if you donate on-line. |
They don't sign bills, they don't vote for them. They "influence". Put effort where it matters. |
What about by phone? I want SOMEONE to hear it for sure, instead of my letter going into a shredder. |
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Seriously dude edit the blue text to black. If people can't read your message how are they going to respond. You will loose 20-50% of the viewers simply because you made it a PITA to read. I agree with your points but if you want to get it across just use black, and it doesn't have to be bold either. IMHO Bidden just sealed the deal for McCain. Liberals are all wailing and gnashing their teeth and conservatives are laughing their ass off. But it is better to be safe than sorry. And to tards. If you give money to the NRA they will see you as a donor. ANY org that lives by donations will always contact past givers because they have a proven history of paying. IF YOU DON"T WANT TO BE CALLED: 1. NEVER GIVE OUT YOUR NUMBER. This is not rocket science. I use the same fake number all the time for everything. I don't get telemarketing calls, and it is the same number so I can remember it. Stop bitching. Don't want calls don't give out the damn number. 2. If you are getting calls you don't want. CHANGE YOUR NUMBER to an UNLISTED. Again not rocket science. 3. TELL THE NRA TO PUT YOU ON THE "Do Not Bother" List. They will respect this and stop sending you the mail and calling you. This is not complicated, takes 5 minutes. Every. Single. Thread. about the NRA people bitch them asking for money. If they don't ask they will get none. And with no money they can't fight for our rights. If you are too retarded to figure out how to not have telemarketers call you, maybe you should not own guns. Are the 4 safety rules too complex for you as well? Can you figure out how to put your car in both drive AND reverse? If you bitch about this you are a retard. I hate McCain but hate Obama more. I dislike the NRA most of the time but I like my RKBA more than I dislike them. They are NOT perfect and FUCK UP sometimes. But they are all we got. |
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That was a very profound argument, one of the best I have heard on this subject! Very well said.  That said please change the blue text, it is really annoying, and if you really want to get your point across with this crowd you can't afford to annoy them. I have seriously been contemplating joining the NRA again for precisely this reason. Anybody that doesn't think this asshole can talk his way into being President is sadly mistaken, and he has your gun rights in his sights. |
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I hope people are not still seeing blue. I edited the post to black on my end and to me it now appears black. If you cannot afford to give $$$ then don't. Obviously, feed your family and keep a roof over your head first. But for God's sake, vote. BTW: I originally chose blue text because I am sick of the "Red America" bullshit that the liberals always try to label us as. To me, THEY are the "Reds" and Red = Communism. |
We'll allways be red until we lose an election. Then they will be the incumbent, and we will be blue again. |
So what did you do about the 86 MG ban? What did you do about the original AWB? What did you do to support Heller? Spare me the "worst evar!" threat to gun owners. Gun rights are on the march my friend, with max numbers of CCWable states and no federal laws impact AWB's. There has never been a time in US history where carrying a pistol or owning a military style firearm has been easier since prohibition! Fear monger only has negative effects. True, being vigilant is always wise; however, playing the chicken little card EVERY election is counter productive and just a simpletons tactic. Gun rights are off the Radar to modern democrats. They learned from the AWB backlash in the 90's. Sure some are hardcore, but a shit load of democrats in the congress are pro-gun and have run on such platforms. Major gun-restriction laws are going no where. The only thing at issue in the upcoming election is loosing our veto power off any leaker laws that get through congress, and possibly assigning supreme court justices. Even with the later we will not see another major gun rights case for 20 years in the USC. In short, stop being a god damned pessimist. |
For the most part, I agree with what your saying. This is a great time for the RKBA. I do see the OPs point of view too, and to break it down barney style, its like a fight to the death. You dont stop until your enemy's head is a bloody red stump. Thats how I look at these gun-grabber types. we cant allow them to think we are getting even the slightest bit soft. |
Your right.... they don't matter at all. Oh wait, maybe I forgot something, but who is the tie breaking vote in the Senate??? I do believe it is the VP 
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If it gets that far, we dropped the ball.  Any one of 100 other guys can trump the VP.
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Inspiring through fear only goes so far. And at risk of sounding like Obama, to inspire further you need to use hope and honor to push people further. 
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To answer your questions about "what I did": 86 MG ban - Wearing a uniform and stationed overseas. Did not have much time to be politically involved. That okay with you? Original AWB - wrote letters to Senator, Congressman, newspaper editors, magazine editors, and made phone calls. Voted conservatively (every election since I was first able to vote). Gave financial support to NRA. Spoke out against ban to friends, family, and coworkers in hopes of influencing them against it. Support Heller - Life Member NRA. IIRC we did support Heller, as you may be dimly aware. You really believe all that about gun bans being off everyone's radar? Well, you are entitled to your beliefs I guess. Unfortunately, I am not so optimistic about what the other side has planned for our future. I wish I could be, but for all the things you yourself mentioned (86 ban, 94 ban) I am not. "God damned pessimist?" Pretty close to a personal attack I'd say (swearing). Let's let the mods decide. |
- Would you also say that the president's wife has NO effect on policy? Anyone still believe that Hillary Rodam did not have a big effect on Clinton? Just because Bidden is only the VP, you should NOT expect that he will have no influence on how the next administration chooses to attack out 2nd Amendment rights. You now know how bad the alternative will be if the gun grabbers are elected. VOTE! |
Well if you are going to get pissy, I'll just say it. You sound like a pessimist in your post. Feel free to use the report button for this "personal attack."  And just for the fuck of it, I'll call you an optimist as well. You know, since I'm racking up the "personal attacks." I want to cover all my bases you know...
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Duly reported. Thanks. You WILL NOT tell me to "park" the eight years I served on active duty. |
For relevance to the topic at hand and for the purposes of this discussion, I just did and I'm doing it right now. Get off your high horse. Everyone here is a gun owner, and huge percentage are veterans. Stop retreating behind your service to justify a lack of involvement in the firearms community. Just admit you were not involved to the "impending threat of gun grabbers" at that time. It would have little to do with your service; and there is nothing wrong with not being politically involved. If you want to tell yourself that, fine. Go ahead. While you are at it, lets throw youth, inexperience with the way politics and the world works in there as well. There is nothing wrong with this, since everyone goes through this phase. The fact you are getting upset about it is interesting however. And in the interest of full disclosure I didn't do anything about 86, 94 or Heller, and as evidenced by my posts I never claimed to have either. I'm failing to understand why you can't take a little commentary, none of which is approaching a personal attack, in stride. Surely someone with as much experience and honorable background should be able to enter into a normal discussion and not get worked up insults that are simply not there. Make an opinion or statement; I'm entitled to respond. Attempt to use an irrelevant excuse, justification etc; I'm going to call BS on it and tell you to park it. This has nothing to do with whatever you once did. It is simply not relevant to the discussion at hand. The only going on here is discussing your "call to arms." I've yet to hear from you on anything relevant to that "call to arms" other than you being upset of being called a pessimist. But in an attempt to get back on topic: - can you provide citation/links to where any of the nominees or the VP's have mentioned gun ownership during this primary or general election season? - can you provide citation/links to where any of the congressmen up for re-election mention gun ownership issues in their own campaigns? - can you provide citation/links to where any party has mentioned their desire/goal to do XYZ wrt gun ownership? Edit: out till the AM or beyond |
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This is NOT a silent attack against gun rights, our country has been on a slow an incremental path to shirking the constitution and the accompanying oath to uphold those rights. This is a silent attack against ALL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. In lieu of the first amendment we have "free speech zones". In lieu of the second amendment we have 4473's, background checks, and felons being prohibited from owning guns. NONE OF THAT was written into the second amendment, it was added later. In lieu of the fourth amendment we have checkpoints for drunk drivers and drugs, and many roadside searches which are in contravention of the original fourth amendment. We have warrantless wiretapping by the NSA when I call Aunt Betty in Ohio to wish her happy birthday. Then we have the personal income tax, SOCIAL(ist) security, SSN numbers and accompanying identity fraud, veterans accused of terrorism by being added to a "list" without charge or trial, and the financial destabilization of our economy due to inflation. Elected politicians have gotten us this far. If you truly believe in your heart that two party politics are going to cure these issues when DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS have gotten us into this mess, I regret to inform you that you're a little late to the party. Politicians will not save you from these losses of rights. Its up to us, THE PEOPLE to demand a change and see it through if necessary. These are the facts. If I wake up tomorrow and find out that some executive order was signed banning firearms it would not surprise me in the least. If they do ban firearms, it will only lead to the inevitable situation which is forming. As to the matter of who turns in said weapons, or keeps them for use, thats a personal choice we will likely all face very soon. So its time to ask yourself if you haven't already.- What will you do? |
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We NEED this election for christs sake. Stop bickering with the OP. I will pull funds from my next gun purchase for an NRA membership. I dont agree with some of their policies, but you are correct sir, the list needs to be long as we can make it. So many foolish people are going to be massing at the polls in November. We cant risk this one guys. We cant count on the libs not voting this time. They have their perfect candidate. Obama to a liberal is like Ron Paul to an Arfcommer. They will be voting this time. |
You can't direct the money to a cause. It goes to pay for campaign staff and consultants, ofice space, and hotels. If the big money doners, lobbyist and big business, can't "direct" their contributions or ask for favors, then neither can you. Save your money and buy a new toy. |
NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT. EVER! |
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Don't forget to email the shit out of your representatives! GOVERNMAIL |
The True story of the NRA and Heller Yes, the NRA is pro heller now. Because they had no choice. It's there and they need to pretend they like it. But the FACT is they tried to kill it multiple times and ways. They tried to take the case over, failed, and then tried to overturn the DC gun ban in congress to MOOT heller before it could be heard. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_v._District_of_Columbia#National_Rifle_Association
www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200305\NAT20030506b.html
www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/us/03bar.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=p&adxnnlx=1196698403-9bduxMhv9II9YBOJ+ti9Pg&oref=slogin
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