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7/26/2008 3:02:22 PM EDT
In the market for a new desktop. Looking at a gateway at Best Buy for $550. I have a nice new monitor. Basic details are
Quad Core 2.1 Ghz
1 Gig Ram
500 Gig HD
ATI 256 Card
Card reader slots
DVD Burner.

I have built my own in the past but dont want to deal with that again, but I guess I am handy with them. I have reservations about getting a mass produced unit. But what is everyone else using? And would you recommend or steer clear from Gateway. Thanks
7/26/2008 3:13:43 PM EDT
[#1]
My exgf had one of those all in one unit gateways that was a POS, used oddball propitiatory parts you couldn't buy anywhere. The normal towers maybe a bit better when it comes to that. For the money though you could get a barebones kit from tigerdirect with a bit of a faster cpu and a couple gigs more of RAM. Only downside would be I dont think they come with anysort of OS so if you dont already have a copy of XP or Vista thats another $1xx. Also if you do any gaming you'll probably want something better then a 256meg ATI card.
7/26/2008 3:27:36 PM EDT
[#2]
go have a local computer shop custom build one for you.  you'll get the exact specs you want,  you can still get XP, and you'll be supporting a small business.

almost all "off the shelf" computers are made with cheep components, and don't perfom as well as they should by the spec sheet.  most major brand computers use crappy hard drives and poorly timed motherboards.


BTW, in computers you really do get what you pay for.
7/26/2008 3:28:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Thats what I thought about the parts. I do game but all on Xbox. I dont do much with the desktops, Powerpoint, Internet, Excel files and general dinking off.
7/26/2008 3:31:43 PM EDT
[#4]
If you don't do computers I would say get a Dell with a good warranty.

but if you know computers then rolling your own is always preferred.
7/26/2008 3:32:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Build it yourself. You'll get a better price-to-performance ratio and you can place the money in components that you think are important.
7/26/2008 3:38:16 PM EDT
[#6]

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Thats what I thought about the parts. I do game but all on Xbox. I dont do much with the desktops, Powerpoint, Internet, Excel files and general dinking off.


Video would be fine then, But 1 gig ram is pitiful, you'll want atleast 1 more. I'd compare prices of building your own over on tigerdirect and newegg first, like I said in the previous post you'll get something a bit nicer. Oh and if you go tigerdirect  you'll need to buy a cpu fan seperate most of there barebones dont include that.

The only prebuilt pc I would buy again would probably be a Sony, I had one I gave away to my niece and nephew and its still running after 8 years with all the original components minus the HD that I replaced when I had it for a larger one.
7/26/2008 3:41:40 PM EDT
[#7]
My son is a highly accomplished and extremely well paid computer scientist.

He told me Gateway is the worse piece of shit out there.

I deferr to him on these matters.
7/26/2008 4:05:47 PM EDT
[#8]

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My son is a highly accomplished and extremely well paid computer scientist.

He told me Gateway is the worse piece of shit out there.

I deferr to him on these matters.


Yup, it's known as the "Gateway to Hell" for a reason.

Take a look at Systemax.  Made and supported in the USA.

www.systemaxpc.com/
7/26/2008 4:20:07 PM EDT
[#9]
1gb of ram.....   OMG    

what kinda operating system is this running
7/29/2008 6:15:12 AM EDT
[#10]
Looked at tigerdirect and your right, thats the way to go. One question about the power supply. Does it usually come with all the required harnesses and wiring. I would imagine that the mobo instructions would come with a diagram of where everything gets plugged into. The PCI cards, ram and stuff are all no brainers but the wiring is a little confusing. But I am guessing that if my pot smoking high school drop brother can build a killer system I should be ok. Thanks for the help guys you confirmed something I was already thinking.
7/29/2008 6:24:04 AM EDT
[#11]
I would look at the HPs over Gateways.  Similar specs for similar price.
7/29/2008 6:41:41 AM EDT
[#12]
I bought an HP something or other last summer.  Works well enough.  I added another GB of RAM and a video card.  Plays my 3 year old games just fine.  
7/29/2008 6:50:25 AM EDT
[#13]
Don't buy a Gateway if you intend to run XP (99% chance it'll come with Vista)... you'll have to research the source of every single piece of hardware and gather the drivers from the four corners of the earth.  Gateway will only provide drivers for the OS they install which will be Vista.

Also, margins are razor thin on PCs, so it's a safe bet they'll cut any corner they can to save a dime.  That means they'll use shitty components for the power supply, cables, off-brand memory, optical drives... you name it.  Better to build it yourself and KNOW what's inside at the end of the day; you'll be glad you did.
7/29/2008 7:12:05 AM EDT
[#14]

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Looked at tigerdirect and your right, thats the way to go. One question about the power supply. Does it usually come with all the required harnesses and wiring. I would imagine that the mobo instructions would come with a diagram of where everything gets plugged into. The PCI cards, ram and stuff are all no brainers but the wiring is a little confusing. But I am guessing that if my pot smoking high school drop brother can build a killer system I should be ok. Thanks for the help guys you confirmed something I was already thinking.


Yes the PS's in the kits will have all the needed plugs for the mobo and other drives with a few left over in case you decide to add more drives in the future. Hooking power to the mobo is very easy, usually the biggest pain in the ass wiring wise is doing any additional usb or firewire ports that maybe on the front of the case, but the board should come with a schematic showing where to plug in for additional ports.
7/29/2008 7:13:53 AM EDT
[#15]
Thanks again. Am ordering the goods right now.
7/29/2008 7:16:32 AM EDT
[#16]
I using a Gateway right now.

It's running OK now but has already been back to the service center for a mother board.

Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.

We run Dell at the office and have no trouble with them.
7/29/2008 11:43:18 AM EDT
[#17]

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Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.


Spend less $$ and don't get a Dell.  Offshored tech support ain't worth it.
7/29/2008 11:45:07 AM EDT
[#18]
my parents and fiancee both bought Dells a year and a half ago.  they are both going strong, but Vista has been a pain for my parents.
7/29/2008 11:52:46 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.


Spend less $$ and don't get a Dell. Offshored tech support ain't worth it.



Why would you assume the OP can't speak Tamil?

I have a circa '98 Dell running XP. I just replaced the original HD (40 gig should last forever!), maxed out the memory @750k and went broadband internet. Little sucker runs fine for me, but I don't do games.

If I were to replace it I'd go local. We have a young guy who opened his own shop and he has helped me both at work and home in the past. Knows his stuff.

Last one I built was a 486. When the Pentium's came out Dell was too close to what I could do it for to fool with it.

7/29/2008 11:58:54 AM EDT
[#20]
One word


LENOVO
7/29/2008 12:00:14 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
One word


LENOVO


Two words:  Chi Com
7/29/2008 12:02:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Systemax from TigerDirect.com is the way I've been leaning for a while now.  

7/29/2008 12:03:21 PM EDT
[#23]
i've been ordering dells for the business i work for for 2.5 years.  i've ordered alot of them and have probably had maybe 3 incidents that caused me a head ache.  for the most part they are a good brand.
the vostro line runs strong.  hell even the walmart line of dell inspirons runs well.  hp is ok in my opinion also.  lenovo is a bit more expensive i believe but they are a good brand definately.  for that matter i have a systemax server sitting right next to my desk that has been great. i have had it for about a year an a half now. its run smooth the enitre time.  so i vote for systemax as well.  you can't really go wrong with any of those. after that its just preference in what you want it to do and look like.
7/29/2008 12:17:53 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.


Spend less $$ and don't get a Dell. Offshored tech support ain't worth it.



Why would you assume the OP can't speak Tamil?

I have a circa '98 Dell running XP. I just replaced the original HD (40 gig should last forever!), maxed out the memory @750k and went broadband internet. Little sucker runs fine for me, but I don't do games.

If I were to replace it I'd go local. We have a young guy who opened his own shop and he has helped me both at work and home in the past. Knows his stuff.

Last one I built was a 486. When the Pentium's came out Dell was too close to what I could do it for to fool with it.



Dude, 640K should be enough memory for anyone!  
7/29/2008 4:21:26 PM EDT
[#25]

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My son is a highly accomplished and extremely well paid computer scientist.

He told me Gateway is the worse piece of shit out there.

I deferr to him on these matters.



Nope, he's wrong.  The worst piece of shit out there is eMachines.  Of course, Gateway owns eMachines.  

Seriously, avoid Gateway and eMachines like the plague.  Lately I've been having problems with Toshiba, too.  I've been having good luck with Dell and HP hardware.  Dell tends to ship basic systems without a lot of crapware and are pretty much ready to go out of the box.  The HPs tend to be totally crammed with crapware and are in serious need of an enema before you can use it.  You need to go into "Add/Remove Programs" and uninstall everything that isn't a part of Windows.
7/29/2008 4:50:25 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.


Spend less $$ and don't get a Dell.  Offshored tech support ain't worth it.


im not sure they are still offshore.  when we call for work, we always get good english speakers, and we are not calling a special line.
7/29/2008 4:53:41 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Spend a few extra $$ and get a Dell.


Spend less $$ and don't get a Dell.  Offshored tech support ain't worth it.


im not sure they are still offshore.  when we call for work, we always get good english speakers, and we are not calling a special line.


Commercial accounts get US tech support.  Consumers get India.