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7/18/2008 9:05:17 PM EDT
We hear about UFO's in the news all the time. Are they aliens, or are they some other crap? Do we really have visitors from another solar system?
7/18/2008 9:08:15 PM EDT
[#1]
All I know is anal probing is real.  And deep.
7/18/2008 9:08:39 PM EDT
[#2]
they exist and are invading from the south every day.
7/18/2008 9:17:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Pretty much everyone has a cellphone camera nowadays and we still don't have any proof.  It's a mass halluncination.  It's 2008... we can get proof of everything but freaking aliens... whatever.  They don't exist.
7/18/2008 9:19:55 PM EDT
[#4]
oh sure they exist, but they are elusive  
7/18/2008 9:21:27 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
All I know is anal probing is real.  And deep.


Yeah, but he's talking about aliens, not your priest.
7/18/2008 9:22:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Intelligent life has to exist, outside this planet. The universe is far too large for it not too.

As to, if there are green martians coming down and killing cows and anal probing Billy Bob, doubtful.
7/18/2008 9:23:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Oh... outer space aliens... gotcha...

The way I look at it... there are 100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy.  There are millions upon millions of galaxies.  It is impossible that this is the only planet where life has developed.

Google the "Hubble Deep Field" to begin to get an idea of how many galaxies are out there.
7/18/2008 9:26:34 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Oh... outer space aliens... gotcha...

The way I look at it... there are 100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy.  There are millions upon millions of galaxies.  It is impossible that this is the only planet where life has developed.

Google the "Hubble Deep Field" to begin to get an idea of how many galaxies are out there.


They've come up with a pretty good equation.

7/18/2008 9:26:55 PM EDT
[#9]
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  
7/18/2008 9:29:21 PM EDT
[#10]


Yes.





5sub
7/18/2008 9:30:06 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


wow, well read.


ETA, but the author left out SEX
7/18/2008 9:31:29 PM EDT
[#12]
They exist, and they come to Arfcom to post stupid threads about Cindy McCain.
7/18/2008 9:33:07 PM EDT
[#13]
I for one welcome our alien overlords.
7/18/2008 9:34:08 PM EDT
[#14]
Yes, maybe not here, but somewhere in the universe they exist.

7/18/2008 9:35:04 PM EDT
[#15]
Yes, Didnt you watch SouthPark last night where we are one big Reality TV show for Aliens?
7/18/2008 9:35:35 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Intelligent life has to exist, outside this planet. The universe is far too large for it not too.

As to, if there are green martians coming down and killing cows and anal probing Billy Bob, doubtful.


This
7/18/2008 9:35:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Your post asks two questions, but your poll only addresses one of them.

1. I believe it is possible that intelligent life may exist elsewhere in the universe.

2. I do not believe any such life is making visitations to this planet.
7/18/2008 9:36:10 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


deep, but what about peace loving liberals?
7/18/2008 9:38:14 PM EDT
[#19]
Yes, but they are so far away that if they tried to travel to Earth, even at the speed of light, they would be older than Site Staff by the time they arrived.
7/18/2008 9:40:25 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


deep, but what about peace loving liberals?
Those peace loving liberals still thirst for dominance.  That need and quest for domination to influence the masses is the same quest that humanity started out with just in a different package.  Liberals can and will lead the masses who disagree with them to the showers and then the ovens.
7/18/2008 9:41:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Out of the billions of stars,..or more odds are if life exists on Earth, then it could elese where. I believe we are not alone in the universe. I do not belive in UFOs.
7/18/2008 9:42:22 PM EDT
[#22]
I've hands down seen UFO's as of recently, as many have read up on my experience.

UFOs exist, they do plain and simple.  At least round shaped ones as that's what I without a doubt saw.

Now, were they some form of secret Gov't terrestrial object or extraterrestrial.  If I had to choose, extraterrestrial.

Very surreal once you see them.
7/18/2008 9:43:53 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


wow, well read.


ETA, but the author left out SEX
Not sure what you mean by sex but humans were designed by nature to breed extremely fast when compared to other non human races.  Humans unlike other races can raise massive armies of invasion very fast.
7/18/2008 9:45:17 PM EDT
[#24]
*grabs his tin foil hat*
7/18/2008 9:46:22 PM EDT
[#25]
of course aliens exist.  Our experience on Earth indicates that life exists pretty much wherever it's possible.  Look at extremeophiles that live in hydrothermal vents and the like.  There are billions of galaxies and quadrillions of stars in the universe.  Of course life exists somewhere else.  Astronomers have already discovered other planets within the habitable range of distant stars.

However, humans are the only intelligent life to evolve on the Earth, which indicates that perhaps intelligence isn't a particularly necessary evolutionary skill.  Although i'm sure that a few intelligent species have evolved somewhere else in the universe, I highly doubt that they traveled very far, because I believe that faster-than-light travel is impossible.
7/18/2008 9:53:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Those aliens that humanity encounters from time to time are the Keepers of the Weapon.  They are responsible for the weapon. They do abduct humans from time to time not to hurt them, but instead to make sure that the weapon has stayed potent over the the years.

In the event that the weapon is needed those same aliens will give us the info we need to begin our "Dominance war" again.

Only the keepers of the weapon know the location of earth.


They are here because at one point they were our living logistical computers.  
7/18/2008 9:54:31 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


Where did you come up with that?
7/18/2008 9:55:40 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


Where did you come up with that?
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.
7/18/2008 9:56:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Yes.
Id say any race that could visit us would have to have vastly superior technology and I doubt we would be able to detect them.
7/18/2008 9:59:19 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Yes.
Id say any race that could visit us would have to have vastly superior technology and I doubt we would be able to detect them.



Various animals have no problem detecting us, and other than the occasional stick-swinging chimp, most animals have zero technology...
7/18/2008 10:03:00 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
<snip>
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.


When you finish it, be sure to let us know. Sounds like an interesting read.

7/18/2008 10:07:37 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
<snip>
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.


When you finish it, be sure to let us know. Sounds like an interesting read.



Right on.... looks interesting, if not good.

7/18/2008 10:08:37 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Yes, but they are so far away that if they tried to travel to Earth, even at the speed of light, they would be older than Site Staff by the time they arrived.


Stasis / hibernation / cryonics

And the Theory of General Relativity makes it pretty clear that no spacecraft are going to be travelling at c or any appreciable fraction thereof.  I think we're stuck at sublight velocities until and unless we can make a quantum breakthrough... "wormholes", folding space, etc.

Life suspension is more likely than relativistic velocities, and "generation ships" are more likely than that.

Watch for asteroids entering a solar orbit from beyond the Oort Cloud.
7/18/2008 10:08:59 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
<snip>

Where did you come up with that?
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.

When you finish it, be sure to let us know. Sounds like an interesting read.

Its based on WWII and the Holocaust but set in the future.

We as the human race are the Nazis and the rest of the universe races are the Allies that united agaisnt the Axis powers.

The book is my personal effort as a historian and history teacher to help people understand how the holocaust occured by showing it a way that removes the human racist issue by eliminating the Nazis and Jews from the story.

I have almost finished book one where we are visited by the Keepers of the Weapon.

It took three college level WWII and Holocaust classes just to finish book one.
7/18/2008 10:15:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Drake equation for the win!
7/18/2008 10:23:46 PM EDT
[#36]
"Do aliens exist" and "have aliens visited us," are two VERY different questions.
7/18/2008 10:35:51 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
<snip>

Where did you come up with that?
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.

When you finish it, be sure to let us know. Sounds like an interesting read.

Its based on WWII and the Holocaust but set in the future.

We as the human race are the Nazis and the rest of the universe races are the Allies that united agaisnt the Axis powers.

The book is my personal effort as a historian and history teacher to help people understand how the holocaust occured by showing it a way that removes the human racist issue by eliminating the Nazis and Jews from the story.

I have almost finished book one where we are visited by the Keepers of the Weapon.

It took three college level WWII and Holocaust classes just to finish book one.

going to publish?  if so what is title, I'd like to read more
7/18/2008 10:38:33 PM EDT
[#38]
I want to believe

But seriously, I think something else out there exists, have they been to earth? I'd like to believe so, so that there is some mystery still left in the world but it could just be all hoaxes or "secret" military projects.
7/18/2008 10:51:23 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
<snip>

Where did you come up with that?
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.

When you finish it, be sure to let us know. Sounds like an interesting read.

Its based on WWII and the Holocaust but set in the future.

We as the human race are the Nazis and the rest of the universe races are the Allies that united agaisnt the Axis powers.

The book is my personal effort as a historian and history teacher to help people understand how the holocaust occured by showing it a way that removes the human racist issue by eliminating the Nazis and Jews from the story.

I have almost finished book one where we are visited by the Keepers of the Weapon.

It took three college level WWII and Holocaust classes just to finish book one.



Sounds like a great book. If you need a test reader, let me know.
Anything that gets me the book faster, let me know.

TXL
7/18/2008 10:55:20 PM EDT
[#40]
I wouldnt doubt it. Not the UFO roswill type, but life, primitive or intelligent on another planet or moon.
7/18/2008 11:29:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Odds are pretty good that extraterrestrial life exists. However I would say that the odds are extremely low that they have visited, are visiting or will ever visit us. For which I, for one, am grateful - I don't need no anal probing from nobody.
7/18/2008 11:38:59 PM EDT
[#42]
Your thread title and poll description are two vastly different things.


1.  Do aliens exist?   Well, so far we have a sample population of exactly 1 planet out of...what, no more than a hundred or so...that has life on it.  Still, there are an unimaginable number of planets in the Universe, and it seems probable that some of them will have similar environments to Earth.  Similarly, it seems unlikely that Earth is a significantly unique environment in the universe.  Without much data to go on, I would say that it is likely that there is life elsewhere.

2.  Are UFOs that we observe here on Earth aliens?  Even given all of the above, it seems unlikely that things we see here originate from another planet.  Still, as someone (Clarke?) once said, any technology, sufficiently advanced, appears to be magic...perhaps other civilizations have advanced well beyond our level, and their technology is beyond our scientific ability to explain so far.  So, while allowing for the possibility that alien life has technology and science so advanced that we do not yet comprehend it, I do not think it very likely that our local observations are evidence of an alien presence on Earth.


So, my opinion:  probably life elsewhere, probably not coming here on vacation.
7/18/2008 11:47:39 PM EDT
[#43]
In the immortal words of Jack Burton (and the Pork Chop Express) - "Now I'm not saying that I've been everywhere and I've done everything, but I do know it's a pretty amazing planet we live on, and a man would have to be some kind of fool to think we're all alone in this universe."
7/18/2008 11:48:53 PM EDT
[#44]
this poll proves that 19% of arfcom is no fun at all
7/18/2008 11:54:22 PM EDT
[#45]
115 voted "yes".

This explains a hell of a lot, when I argue with somebody and say to myself "Is it possible that he's THAT incapable of rational thought?". It seems the answer is in fact "absolutely".
7/18/2008 11:56:30 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
115 voted "yes".

This explains a hell of a lot, when I argue with somebody and say to myself "Is it possible that he's THAT incapable of rational thought?". It seems the answer is in fact "absolutely".


There is like  7 septillion planets in the possible known universe.


You deny the possibility that one of these could contain life?
7/19/2008 12:16:00 AM EDT
[#47]
I highly doubt it.
7/19/2008 6:49:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Just curious what ARFCOM thought on this one. Larry King had this same poll on his website and he got 90% yes.
7/19/2008 6:57:31 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
The human race fought a war of dominance against the known universe destroying entire systems in their quest for human dominance.  The universe eventually defeated the human race and banished them to the outward backwards solar system that we know today.  The civilizations of the universes decided to keep the humans as a race of living weapons to achieve a sort of super weapon to unleash in the event that the galactic universes faces destruction again by a race bent on dominance.  The human race is kept alive to ensure that no one race is dominate among all races of our universe.  In the event that one alien race claims dominance in the universe the human super weapon will be unleashed on the universes to unite them once again against the greater evil that is humanity.  

I some ways the human race was banished to the prison Earth as a form of punishment.  It is believed that the human race would forever punish itself in the quest for human domination that has always fueled the human race.  Instead of humans destroying alien races the human race would be exiled to always attempt to destroy humanity itself in the quest for unachievable dominance.  Since human mental strength and violence is dominate the human race will never die out sentenced for all time to punish itself in a sort of human made hell.

We are a race that glorifies violence and dominance.  Our children and our children’s children will continue to advance the science of death and dominance to an even more purified form.  The science of violence is and has always been the ultimate motivator for the advancements of human science.  The art of warfare and death has forever advanced faster amongst the human race than any other science.  The first ultimate advancement of the human race was the ability to destroy humanity itself.  

We are on Earth as a punishment.  Our souls are trapped for all time to continue our own personnel hell until we as a race are unleash upon our universe to continue our war of –perpetual dominance.

We are the demons of the hell we believe exists.  


Where did you come up with that?
Novel I have been working on for the past 5 years.


Well finish it already; you've got a damn good plot line there.
7/19/2008 7:02:56 AM EDT
[#50]
yes and we should deport their ass back to Mexico.
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