Posted: 7/10/2008 12:56:41 PM EDT
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I am in an arguement with some people about Dragon Skin vs Interceptor. Curious what you experts have to say on the subject?? haha |
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A friend of mine works for a company that does a lot of research and development for military projects. He has been heavily involved in up-armored vehicles, so it is part of his job to stay on top of advancements in armor technology. According to him, the biggest problem with Dragonskin armor is that it doesn't stop bullets. So, if that's important to you... |
And we should take the words of the very people who claimed nothing was wrong with the first version - until "scales" started falling apart under test conditions? Are people still claiming the Army is against Dragonskin since they had such a huge stake in the Interceptor? Oh wait - it has already been replaced - by something that was PROVEN to be better. |
i thought that was it's strong point, being able to survive multiple impacts from rounds. |
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I had "heard" that is will stop bullets that hit it at near a 90 degree angle. But that it had trouble defeating rounds that hit it at an angle from above or below. |
According to who though? The only tests results I saw were from HK style "manufacturer self tests". |
Seemed to work fine when we demo'd it. It was redneck style using a soft bodied mannequin. I was disappointed we couldn't try the grenade test. No grenades in our LE armory though! Once the Army canceled their orders, we canceled our's. Now, the arguments about the faulty tests, etc. seem to be going back and forth. |
IIRC, it couldn't pass the "standard" tests that the military uses to evaluate armor plates. |
I didn't know they'd released those... Those need to be incorporated in one of those "motivational posters" things. |
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The facts are in and Dragon Skin works period. At this stage the technology behind Dragon Skin is still premature and it will take a few more years for the problems of weight and the construction of the vest to be worked out. Anything that can absorb dozens of rounds of 7.62x39mm ( which is the primary small arms threat that our forces will face over the next 100 years ) is truly remarkable. As far as Interceptor is concerned it is a good system and will suffice for the interim. . |
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1) It doesn't work... It has poor performance against off-angle shots, against frag/shrapnel coming up from the ground, and against rounds larger than 7.62x39.... 2) 7.62x54R is as (if not more) important than 7.62x39 protection... It's fairly easy to defeat 7.62x39 (it is a very very poor round).... HOWEVER, defeating x54R is not quite so easy - and the enemy's most dangerous weapons (crew-served MGs and sniper rifles) fire x54R.... The IBA reliably stopped x54R. The Dragon Skin did not... Any vest that CANNOT stop GPMG fire is not worth having.... |
ummmm, look at the pics above your post amigo. The facts are in, dragon skin doesn't work. period. |
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The only thing Dragon Skin has going for it is an effective marketing Folks who wear it and have followed the real tests and results and know a bit more about the subject know it is crap. |
I don't know what "facts" are "in", but your post is mighty short on them. I'll stick with the Army assessment. ETA: "The facts are in and Dragon Skin works period." Shades of, "The debate is over."? |
this makes sense to me. |
This is what Pinnacle claims: www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/
The whole world is allegedly conspiring against them. The Army, the Air Force, H.P. White, etc. They have directly attacked the integrity of some many consummate professionals who have no monetary stake in this, and who have worn US Army issue body armor in the past, and will again in the future. If you ask me, their behavior is despicable, and their motives are obvious - purely financial. |
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This man has publicly stated that the tests were fair and valid. He has put his name and reputation out in public. The Pinnacle CEO hides behind lawyers and such, and has an obvious financial interest, while claiming BG Brown is corrupt. Whom do you believe? |
There's no need to waste the money.... Just like there's no need to give Boeing a second shot at the tanker deal... Or give HK a shot at replacing the M4.... Unfortunately, there will always be people (some in high places) who think otherwise... |
Red seems inconsistent with blue. |
Hell according to NBC its a conspiracy. Just more War profiteering for inferior products to illustrate that GWB hates the troops and doesn't care for them. If NBC wouldn't have done their horrible report this wouldn't surface as a thread every 6 weeks. and i might as well link this professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14523 |
That thread is beautiful. It's nice to see how many others have the same disdain for Defensereview as I. |