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6/13/2008 4:22:31 PM EDT
Could someone tell me what "conversion" means when talking about the saiga line of firearms.
6/13/2008 4:29:48 PM EDT
[#1]
Most Saiga (Russian) firearms are imported in "sporter" configuration.  Though they are AK variants, they have been modified by moving the trigger back and a sport-type (hunting) stock added.  They have no place for a pistol grip.

Conversion amounts to moving the trigger back, cutting a hole for a pistol grip, and adding an AK type stock, usually folding.

Look here: www.saiga-12.com/

ETA: changing them to EBR configuration makes them actionable under 922r.  A certain number of US parts is required.

6/13/2008 4:45:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
6/13/2008 4:50:16 PM EDT
[#3]

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Thank you for clearing that up for me.


No problem.

I LUV my Saiga-12.  They have become almost impossible to get.



6/13/2008 5:44:33 PM EDT
[#4]
How much are the Saiga-12's going for now, unconverted?  I know Tony Rumore was backordered through all of 2008 on conversions.  I threw my name in around August of last year just to get on the list.  
6/13/2008 5:46:09 PM EDT
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How much are the Saiga-12's going for now, unconverted?  I know Tony Rumore was backordered through all of 2008 on conversions.  I threw my name in around August of last year just to get on the list.  


4-500


Wish I'd got in on them at $289 a pop.
6/13/2008 5:49:25 PM EDT
[#6]

I will have a new offering going up fairly soon after this first batch is sent out, and I hope it to be a "bit" larger. This summer is looking REAL GOOD for the saigas, especially the saiga-12.


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The price will be $520 shipped (CONUS) PREPAID PREORDER. YES there was another price hike from Russia! That is the cheapest we can do for you all.







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6/13/2008 6:58:53 PM EDT
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Conversion amounts to moving the trigger back, cutting a hole for a pistol grip, and adding an AK type stock, usually folding.


On the non-shotgun versions, it also usually involves adding a feed ramp to the receiver. The original Saiga magazines are an "oddball" design that includes their own provision for feeding the cartridge into the chamber. Since conventional AK mags lack this provision, a feed ramp must be installed in the rifle before conventional AK mags can be used.

As previously stated, the converted rifle must contain at least the minimum number of American-made parts required to satisfy 922R regulations.
6/13/2008 7:00:29 PM EDT
[#8]

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Most Saiga (Russian) firearms are imported in "sporter" configuration.  Though they are AK variants, they have been modified by moving the trigger back and a sport-type (hunting) stock added.  They have no place for a pistol grip.

Conversion amounts to moving the trigger back, cutting a hole for a pistol grip, and adding an AK type stock, usually folding.

Look here: www.saiga-12.com/

ETA: changing them to EBR configuration makes them actionable under 922r.  A certain number of US parts is required.



You forgot the bullet feeding ramp
Requires drilling and tapping a hole before the chamber and a piece of steel being screwed into place.
ETA: Unless you choose to stick with factory mags, that is...
To me a conversion makes little or no sense unless you adapt it for AK mags.
6/13/2008 7:02:33 PM EDT
[#9]

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How much are the Saiga-12's going for now, unconverted?  I know Tony Rumore was backordered through all of 2008 on conversions.  I threw my name in around August of last year just to get on the list.  


The 12 gauge is the hardest version to find

The .223 and 7.62x39 go for about $279-$289
They seem to be sitting, perhaps due to magazine availability issues.
6/13/2008 7:07:13 PM EDT
[#10]


One of Tony's
6/13/2008 7:11:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Surefire makes magazines for 308 and it works great.  From a 10rounder to a 25 rounder.  The only problem is that it cost  almost $45.00 each.
6/13/2008 7:15:32 PM EDT
[#12]

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Surefire makes magazines for 308 and it works great.  From a 10rounder to a 25 rounder.  The only problem is that it cost  almost $45.00 each.


Well thats no better than AR 10 mags
6/13/2008 7:15:53 PM EDT
[#13]

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One of Tony's


His stuff is badass, thats for sure.
I haven't read a single negative about him or his work either.
6/13/2008 7:18:01 PM EDT
[#14]

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Surefire makes magazines for 308 and it works great.  From a 10rounder to a 25 rounder.  The only problem is that it cost  almost $45.00 each.


Well thats no better than AR 10 mags


Thats the issue with Saigas

You can do a conversion to a Saiga AK and have cheap mags...
otherwise, you're paying through the ass for polymer, factory or otherwise.
Really shitty situation for an otherwise really decent firearm.
6/13/2008 7:20:19 PM EDT
[#15]
Here is another

I have an MD20 coming for each one

I can't wait.

6/13/2008 7:34:09 PM EDT
[#16]

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Surefire makes magazines for 308 and it works great.  From a 10rounder to a 25 rounder.  The only problem is that it cost  almost $45.00 each.


Well thats no better than AR 10 mags


ArmaLite 30's are $30.00.



5sub
6/13/2008 7:46:26 PM EDT
[#17]
i like em

6/13/2008 7:50:14 PM EDT
[#18]

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Quoted:

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Surefire makes magazines for 308 and it works great.  From a 10rounder to a 25 rounder.  The only problem is that it cost  almost $45.00 each.


Well thats no better than AR 10 mags


ArmaLite 30's are $30.00.



5sub



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