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5/1/2008 8:20:24 AM EDT





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And you may continue to debate the merits of this program... now.
5/1/2008 8:23:30 AM EDT
[#1]
She's pretty.  Don't know enough about the program to contribute anything more than that.
5/1/2008 8:27:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Fort Worth?
5/1/2008 8:30:00 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm not too keen on all the foreign flags on there, unless that planes fragged them.
5/1/2008 8:30:18 AM EDT
[#4]
Pardon my ignorance, but what's with the nine different flags on the side?
5/1/2008 8:32:33 AM EDT
[#5]
I don't remember which position I took the last time we debated the merits of this program. Just put me down as being for whatever arfcom is against.



Seems to me though that I remember the costs of these guys approaching the cost of an F-22 without the capabilities of the F-22.

BTW...is the server that these images are hosted on connected to the internet through a 14.4 modem or something?
5/1/2008 8:32:35 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Pardon my ignorance, but what's with the nine different flags on the side?



The countries buying it and making parts of it.
5/1/2008 8:32:57 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Pardon my ignorance, but what's with the nine different flags on the side?


Those are all the nations participating in the program.
5/1/2008 8:33:59 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Pardon my ignorance, but what's with the nine different flags on the side?



The countries buying it and making parts of it.


+1  Joint program.  All the countries main contributors are listed on there.
5/1/2008 8:34:16 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29607.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29613.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29641.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29642.jpg

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And you may continue to debate the merits of this program... now.



<---- Does not want.

UK will split it's buy now between F-35B's to replace it's Harriers and buy 3 Squadrons worth of F-35C's to use as long range strike aircraft.
5/1/2008 8:35:27 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29607.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29613.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29641.jpg
www.traintohell.com/f35/F08_29642.jpg

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And you may continue to debate the merits of this program... now.



<---- Does not want.


NO ONE ASKED YOU WHAT YOU WANTED!

Now eat your gruel and buy the fighters!
5/1/2008 8:36:12 AM EDT
[#11]
That thing is badass looking apart from all the flags.
5/1/2008 8:39:38 AM EDT
[#12]
What's with the funky UHF blade where the SATCOM antenna goes?
5/1/2008 8:41:01 AM EDT
[#13]
Look at an old photo of the demonstrator F-16A. That thing had flag decals from stem-to-stern. I kind of like the flags. They show not only who our friends are, but who our customers are.
5/1/2008 9:20:15 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
What's with the funky UHF blade where the SATCOM antenna goes?

Telemetry antenna for testing (SWAG)
5/1/2008 9:40:06 AM EDT
[#15]
That is some gay ass Flash Gordon looking tail.
5/1/2008 5:01:59 PM EDT
[#16]
Nice plane.  Needs additional motor.
5/1/2008 5:07:02 PM EDT
[#17]
Why can't we make our own shit and let the rest of the world play catch up...

Next thing you know we'll be building a space station together...
5/1/2008 5:55:46 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Look at an old photo of the demonstrator F-16A. That thing had flag decals from stem-to-stern. I kind of like the flags. They show not only who our friends are, but who our customers are.
Upon further review, not so much. Memory plays tricks 30 years hence.


Note the Iranian flag. June '77


Same jet later (undated photo). Note the Iranian flag has been removed.
5/1/2008 5:59:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Sweet, I want to ride in it
5/1/2008 6:00:38 PM EDT
[#20]
5000th F-4 Phantom II with flags of 11 customer countries. Phantoms were also built under license in Japan. In fact, the Phinal Phantoms (138) were built by Mitsubishi.
5/1/2008 6:02:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Norway
5/1/2008 6:02:46 PM EDT
[#22]
DzlBenz, that bird is sitting in the Edwards AFB museum. Its interesting to see the differences between it and produtcion F-16s.
5/1/2008 6:04:45 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Fort Worth?


I saw that too!  Not written anywhere, but those hangars DO look a whole lot like the ones at AFW
5/1/2008 6:27:46 PM EDT
[#24]
i dont like the F35, or the 22 in particular. The 35 is trying to be used to replace too much too cheaply. they're trying to have a jack of all trades replace the aces of each suit. The only thing i think that they're actually good for is the VTOL variant replacing the harriers, and even then, I dont know how much its an improvement.
5/1/2008 6:32:51 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:



<---- Does not want.

UK will split it's buy now between F-35B's to replace it's Harriers and buy 3 Squadrons worth of F-35C's to use as long range strike aircraft.


Would you be interested in buying F-22s?  
5/1/2008 6:34:50 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Norway


They haven't decided if they're going to buy it yet.
5/2/2008 10:52:29 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:



<---- Does not want.

UK will split it's buy now between F-35B's to replace it's Harriers and buy 3 Squadrons worth of F-35C's to use as long range strike aircraft.


Would you be interested in buying F-22s?  



We were offered them back in the day and politely declined. But it was nice of you guys to offer.
5/2/2008 11:05:41 AM EDT
[#28]
The flags represent those countries in the consortium.  They pay to play and should be represented, IMHO.

DN
5/2/2008 11:09:24 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Nice plane.  Needs additional motor.


That would be the F-22.
5/2/2008 11:13:06 AM EDT
[#30]
I surprised at the lack of a true bubble canopy...

...So much for being able to check your six by turning your head to look behind you with your eyeballs...
5/2/2008 11:15:30 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
i dont like the F35, or the 22 in particular. The 35 is trying to be used to replace too much too cheaply. they're trying to have a jack of all trades replace the aces of each suit. The only thing i think that they're actually good for is the VTOL variant replacing the harriers, and even then, I dont know how much its an improvement.


????????????????????  I guess I don't see how the F-35s aren't very large improvements on what they're replacing.

S/F, FOG
5/2/2008 11:17:49 AM EDT
[#32]
dp
5/2/2008 11:19:17 AM EDT
[#33]
I like it.

It looks like victory.
5/2/2008 11:19:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Well, since the Navy and Marines don't have F-22s we really need the F-35 to work.  
5/2/2008 11:21:54 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
I surprised at the lack of a true bubble canopy...

...So much for being able to check your six by turning your head to look behind you with your eyeballs...



I noticed that also. I wonder what the deal is.
5/2/2008 11:24:28 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I surprised at the lack of a true bubble canopy...

...So much for being able to check your six by turning your head to look behind you with your eyeballs...



I noticed that also. I wonder what the deal is.


The lift van for the STOVL version needs to go right behind the cockpit.
5/2/2008 11:27:20 AM EDT
[#37]
The F-35 should replace the A-10 nicely.
~Dg84
5/2/2008 11:28:45 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
I don't remember which position I took the last time we debated the merits of this program. Just put me down as being for whatever arfcom is against.



Seems to me though that I remember the costs of these guys approaching the cost of an F-22 without the capabilities of the F-22.

BTW...is the server that these images are hosted on connected to the internet through a 14.4 modem or something?



USMC/USN NEEDS a jack of all trades

Comparing the f-22 to the f-35 is apples and watermellons

completely different role

In a nutshell
f-35:
1. stealthy so that it may provide its own SEAD on the first days and tango with any shitbird 1st/2nd/3rd world airforces (but would perfer to avoid the engagement)
2. After line item 1 is done it converts to a bomb truck cas platform

5/2/2008 11:29:34 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
I surprised at the lack of a true bubble canopy...

...So much for being able to check your six by turning your head to look behind you with your eyeballs...



You did not know that the dogfight is a thing of the past?
5/2/2008 11:30:24 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
The F-35 should replace the A-10 nicely.
~Dg84


I don't think so. The A-10 is way too good at it's job.
5/2/2008 11:31:52 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The F-35 should replace the A-10 nicely.
~Dg84


I don't think so. The A-10 is way too good at it's job.

AGNTSA
a-10's are/were a great plan things change....
A day may will come where a CAS aircraft may not enjoy total inpunity
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