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4/21/2008 7:46:15 AM EDT
If you want good tactical Carbine training, go with Magpul Dynamics, Paul Howe, Pat Rogers or Larry Vickers. Period.
4/21/2008 7:50:32 AM EDT
[#1]
great pics--beautiful woman you got there---looks natrual holding that glock.
4/21/2008 7:52:49 AM EDT
[#2]


'grats on the hot wife.

anyways, me and my old lady will be taking some classes shortly. i've had a bit of formal pistol training a few years back, but she's had none and needs it for several reasons, the biggest being is that ME has a training requirement for its' CCW permit.

ETA: i should add that my old lady is in medicine. she deals with a LOT of drug-seekers who are constantly calling and making threats because the practice has discharged them for getting scripts from mltiple doctors, or whatever. she's only 95 lbs. and it's only a matter of time until she runs into one of these disgruntled tweekers when she's out on lunch break. i want her to be prepared should things go from bad to worse.

4/21/2008 7:53:21 AM EDT
[#3]
I say this with all due respect...


YOW!
4/21/2008 8:00:26 AM EDT
[#4]
Nice pics.

You are a lucky man.
4/21/2008 8:05:57 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks fellas. She is definately a keeper.


Quoted:

anyways, me and my old lady will be taking some classes shortly. i've had a bit of formal pistol training a few years back, but she's had none and needs it for several reasons, the biggest being is that ME has a training requirement for its' CCW permit.

ETA: i should add that my old lady is in medicine. she deals with a LOT of drug-seekers who are constantly calling and making threats because the practice has discharged them for getting scripts from mltiple doctors, or whatever. she's only 95 lbs. and it's only a matter of time until she runs into one of these disgruntled tweekers when she's out on lunch break. i want her to be prepared should things go from bad to worse.



That is EXACTLY why I want my wife to take the class. I've trained her how to shoot thousands of rounds, but standing there taking your time to point, aim, breathe and slowly squeeze your trigger at a bullseye target isn't going to teach her how to shoot armed bad guys who are moving, dodging and most likely not wanting to get shot.
4/21/2008 8:07:31 AM EDT
[#6]
you gotta send that wife of yours to more classes so we can see more pics!
4/21/2008 8:16:12 AM EDT
[#7]
Few pointers:

1. She could stand to grip her Glock higher. She'll likely find that she has better control of the weapon and will manage recoil better. Her support hand thumb should be over the top of the trigger guard, not down at the bottom of it. It's not doing her much good there.

2. If you are the guy in the bluejeans and you are performing a reload, you need to get the weapon back closer to your body. Attempting to insert a magazine when your arms are at almost full extension is needlessly complicating your life. Your support grip could also be moved up for best effect.

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.

Look here.
4/21/2008 8:38:57 AM EDT
[#8]
Good job and getting them some training.


4/21/2008 8:43:27 AM EDT
[#9]
So who was the tack driver in the class?
4/21/2008 8:47:30 AM EDT
[#10]
Looks very interesting.

I see they are located in Katy, TX.

How would you rate the class?  Worth the money?

Thanks in advance.
4/21/2008 8:48:09 AM EDT
[#11]
She looks like a woman that you would never want to piss off.  Looks like everyone had fun.
4/21/2008 8:48:37 AM EDT
[#12]


4/21/2008 8:56:54 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.



I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?
4/21/2008 8:59:37 AM EDT
[#14]
BTW What Glocks were you running? What were other people shooting and where there any malfunctions?
4/21/2008 9:00:35 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I took most of the pictures except for the one of me shooting (navy blue t-shirt).


A minor point, but I think JW missed this sentence.

4/21/2008 9:04:27 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
A minor point, but I think JW missed this sentence.



Ah....well...whoever he is....
4/21/2008 9:06:10 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?


I've always been taught to keep the magazine in my left hand or to put it back in the mag holder.

EDIT -- Some of my instructors have taught ditching the magazine altogether.
4/21/2008 9:07:11 AM EDT
[#18]
Nice post, great pics.
4/21/2008 9:07:42 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.



I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?


Followed your link, and at the top of your page I got a "congratulations, you won" type
banner.  Only this one is making a bunch of chirping noises.  Errrr.
4/21/2008 9:10:20 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?


I've always been taught to keep the magazine in my left hand or to put it back in the mag holder.

EDIT -- Some of my instructors have taught ditching the magazine altogether.


How would you rack the slide if your left hand is holding a magazine?
4/21/2008 9:15:18 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.



I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?


Followed your link, and at the top of your page I got a "congratulations, you won" type
banner.  Only this one is making a bunch of chirping noises.  Errrr.


Yeah, that was an annoying ad...
4/21/2008 9:15:25 AM EDT
[#22]
that is awesome, looks like a fun class.  Congrats on the hot wife, and even more on having a lady that is willing to not only shoot with you, but also work on her skills.
4/21/2008 9:26:52 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
How would you rack the slide if your left hand is holding a magazine?


Because only part of your support hand is holding the magazine.
4/21/2008 9:49:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Nothing to see here.
4/21/2008 9:50:57 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Few pointers:

1. She could stand to grip her Glock higher. She'll likely find that she has better control of the weapon and will manage recoil better. Her support hand thumb should be over the top of the trigger guard, not down at the bottom of it. It's not doing her much good there.

Yes I get on her for that constantly and she knows how to properly grip the pistol. She's fairly new to tactical / defensive shooting -vs- stagnent typical range shooting so she forgets... a lot. More training will fix that.

2. If you are the guy in the bluejeans and you are performing a reload, you need to get the weapon back closer to your body. Attempting to insert a magazine when your arms are at almost full extension is needlessly complicating your life. Your support grip could also be moved up for best effect.

I'm the guy in the Navy blue t-Shirt doing a tactical load (with a round still in the chamber). I normally do bring it closer to me, but I was keeping the weapon pointed at the threat.
www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/128/12194/234373.jpg

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.

Look here.


what kind of gear are you using there?
4/21/2008 10:08:54 AM EDT
[#26]
Awesome pics!

You're a lucky man.
4/21/2008 10:17:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Howdy.
4/21/2008 10:20:57 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Yes I get on her for that constantly and she knows how to properly grip the pistol. She's fairly new to tactical / defensive shooting -vs- stagnent typical range shooting so under stress she forgets... a lot. She's trying to remember too many things at once (grip, draw, front sight picture, breathe, trigger slack, front sight again, squeeze, stance, etc...) More training will fix that.


Definitely. Lots of folks struggle with grip, even people who aren't trying to shoot with french tips.



I don't think that my support hand can grip any higher, but I'll try.  
www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/128/12194/234391.jpg


Ya, that's all my mistake for not paying attention.

Bad moderator! No donut!

4/21/2008 10:25:50 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
The instructor-to-student ratio was excellent. There was a lot of good information taught. (In response to JW's magazine in the shooting hand's piinky finger): What I like about their style is that they "try" not to discredit any other methods that have been taught (unless it's blantantly FUBAR). Instead, they try to tell you that there are different methods of doing something. They have their way of doing something and others have different ways. Try both ways and see what works best for you.


That's how most of my instructors have been. If it works and you can repeat it under stress, then you're good.

A lot of instructors won't bother to correct something they see a student doing proficiently unless it's FUBAR. If they see that you can do the pinky stash without trouble, they'll leave it alone and focus on other stuff.

Everybody who has trained long enough will come across somebody who does it different than they were taught. Larry Vickers had to work darn hard to break me of some stuff I learned before showing up at his courses...and he's still got a fair bit more to beat out of me.
4/21/2008 10:28:34 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Definitely. Lots of folks struggle with grip, even people who aren't trying to shoot with french tips.


LOL I told her that I have no use for French Tips (did not know what they were called until today), but her reply is that she is still a woman regardless of how much I try to make her a tomboy.


Quoted:

what kind of gear are you using there?


I'm using a Safariland Holster with Blackwater Molle Padded Belt & Eagle Industries mag pouches.


Quoted:
BTW What Glocks were you running? What were other people shooting and where there any malfunctions?


Me: G34 with TRL LED Light, David Sevigny Competiton Sights, Lone Wolf Threaded Barrel
Wife: G19 with Ameriglo Tactical Operator NS

The rest were Glocks & two 1911.

Two guys had G21SF. One of the G21SF broke an extractor. I have never seen a Glock fail until this weekend. Gotta be a fluke. Aside from that, there were no malfunctions except the ones that the instructors induced for us to learn how to clear.


Quoted:

Everybody who has trained long enough will come across somebody who does it different than they were taught. Larry Vickers had to work darn hard to break me of some stuff I learned before showing up at his courses...and he's still got a fair bit more to beat out of me.


I'm saving money to take the Paul Howe Carbine Instructor Course. I definately have a Larry Vickers class on my to-do list.
4/21/2008 10:30:47 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Yes I get on her for that constantly and she knows how to properly grip the pistol. She's fairly new to tactical / defensive shooting -vs- stagnent typical range shooting so under stress she forgets... a lot. She's trying to remember too many things at once (grip, draw, front sight picture, breathe, trigger slack, front sight again, squeeze, stance, etc...) More training will fix that.


Definitely. Lots of folks struggle with grip, even people who aren't trying to shoot with french tips.



I don't think that my support hand can grip any higher, but I'll try.  
www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/128/12194/234391.jpg


Ya, that's all my mistake for not paying attention.

Bad moderator! No donut!




GREAT pics and some good shooting.!!


I'm not sure I could hit my own ass with a pistol.  Fair with a rifle but have always been crappy with a pistol.



5sub
4/21/2008 10:33:25 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Two guys had G21SF. One of the G21SF broke an extractor. I have never seen a Glock fail until this weekend. Gotta be a fluke.
The G21SF is my usual "go to" gun.  5,500 rounds in the past year no problems, highly accurate.

BTW you forgot about the guy running a SIG
4/21/2008 10:49:31 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

BTW you forgot about the guy running a SIG


OOPS!!! That's MY friend Alan.
4/21/2008 10:50:21 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:

BTW you forgot about the guy running a SIG


OOPS!!! That's MY friend Alan.
Must be the quiet guy.
4/21/2008 10:51:09 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
I'm saving money to take the Paul Howe Carbine Instructor Course. I definately have a Larry Vickers class on my to-do list.


You can't lose with PH or LAV. I'm scheduled to take 4 Vickers courses this summer.

I'm going to have to whore myself out to some fat chicks to afford the ammo.
4/21/2008 11:03:08 AM EDT
[#36]
I just have a question and I may be way off here but if people are taking this course in order to buff up on skills for conceled carry, why are most of them wearing drop leg holster and molle gear? Not very practical for someone who is not in law enforcement or military. I would want to practice with EXACTLY what I would be carrying. Just my $.02 though!
4/21/2008 11:26:37 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
I just have a question and I may be way off here but if people are taking this course in order to buff up on skills for conceled carry, why are most of them wearing drop leg holster and molle gear? Not very practical for someone who is not in law enforcement or military. I would want to practice with EXACTLY what I would be carrying. Just my $.02 though!


I'm MIL and Alan didn't have a holster so that's why he's using one that I loaned him.
4/21/2008 11:58:31 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I just have a question and I may be way off here but if people are taking this course in order to buff up on skills for conceled carry, why are most of them wearing drop leg holster and molle gear? Not very practical for someone who is not in law enforcement or military. I would want to practice with EXACTLY what I would be carrying. Just my $.02 though!


I'm MIL and Alan didn't have a holster so that's why he's using one that I loaned him.


Ahhh I gotcha. Makes sense to me now!
4/21/2008 12:12:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Great pics!  Looks like fun.  I wish I could talk my wife into attending a class with me.


My only comment is during your "tactical reload" it looks like the mag is already out of the gun.  Is that the case?  I was trained if there are still rounds in the mag but you want to top it off with a fresh mag you first index the new mag, then extract the first one into the same hand with the second, insert the second, then put the first back into a pocket.  The idea is that you don't want to run yourself dry when you don't have to.
4/22/2008 8:04:05 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
Great pics!  Looks like fun.  I wish I could talk my wife into attending a class with me.


My only comment is during your "tactical reload" it looks like the mag is already out of the gun.  Is that the case?  I was trained if there are still rounds in the mag but you want to top it off with a fresh mag you first index the new mag, then extract the first one into the same hand with the second, insert the second, then put the first back into a pocket.  The idea is that you don't want to run yourself dry when you don't have to.


I still had a round in the chamber, but I let the mag drop freely as I inserted a fresh one. Even though I did not count how many round I had already expended, I knew that I had seven more targets that required two shots each. When I picked up my mag after the scenario, it only had one round left. Lucky guess.
4/22/2008 10:09:19 AM EDT
[#41]
i need to find a woman shooter in kentucky i can compete against  
4/22/2008 5:28:37 PM EDT
[#42]
4/22/2008 5:45:10 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

3. I'm assuming that in the pic where you have a magazine in your pinky that you are trying a tac load of some sort. It's a lot easier if you keep the magazines in your support hand.



I imagine that he is performing a clearance of a double feed, as I was taught at Thunder Ranch.

See here:  Clearing a Doublefeed

Is that no longer suggested as a good way to clear this malfunction?


I guess it just depends.

I find it easier, once you identify the double feed etc., lock the slide to the rear, pull the mag out and hold it with strong hand pinky, rack three times recover the mad, which is now right next to the mag well, rack once more and you are back up.