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4/11/2008 8:13:27 PM EDT
Yes, I was watching Star Trek.  

Anyway, I don't know much about lasers.  What are the real problems with handheld or at least rifle sized laser weapons?

Anyone a laser expert here?
4/11/2008 8:18:41 PM EDT
[#1]
Power source would be a problem since we do not have anything small enough to power a rifle let alone a pistol sized weapon.  If we did we would have rail/gauss weapons.  
4/11/2008 8:20:35 PM EDT
[#2]

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Yes, I was watching Star Trek.  

Anyway, I don't know much about lasers.  What are the real problems with handheld or at least rifle sized laser weapons?

Anyone a laser expert here?



Ummm, power supply and output.  There is a reason the anti missle type lasers being developed take up a whole 747.  There are many different types, it is not like amplifying a laser pointer.
4/11/2008 8:21:58 PM EDT
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Yes, I was watching Star Trek.  

Anyway, I don't know much about lasers.  What are the real problems with handheld or at least rifle sized laser weapons?

Anyone a laser expert here?



Ummm, power supply and output.  There is a reason the anti missle type lasers being developed take up a whole 747.  There are many different types, it is not like amplifying a laser pointer.


No need for the tard face.  I said I don't know anything about them.  I was asking to find out this stuff.  
4/11/2008 8:26:17 PM EDT
[#4]
We just haven't figures how to make a small enough power source that would be capable of powering it.
4/11/2008 8:27:50 PM EDT
[#5]

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Yes, I was watching Star Trek.  

Anyway, I don't know much about lasers.  What are the real problems with handheld or at least rifle sized laser weapons?

Anyone a laser expert here?



Ummm, power supply and output.  There is a reason the anti missle type lasers being developed take up a whole 747.  There are many different types, it is not like amplifying a laser pointer.

The Airborne Laser is chemical. It can only fire so many times before needing a re-fill (on the ground).

Lasers have traditionally suffered from poor ratios of input power to beam power. Newer technologies like solid state diode-slab-pumped lasers and fiber lasers are overcoming this. The free electron laser offers the best long-term solution, especially when a superconducting system recirculates the electron beam. At the same time, portable power systems are improving in capacity and weight. But for the near term, rifle or pistol lasers will not be deadly.
4/11/2008 8:33:46 PM EDT
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The Airborne Laser is chemical. It can only fire so many times before needing a re-fill (on the ground).

Lasers have traditionally suffered from poor ratios of input power to beam power. Newer technologies like solid state diode-slab-pumped lasers and fiber lasers are overcoming this. The free electron laser offers the best long-term solution, especially when a superconducting system recirculates the electron beam. At the same time, portable power systems are improving in capacity and weight. But for the near term, rifle or pistol lasers will not be deadly.


I figured it wouldn't be soon, I was just asking if it was possible, and are we heading in that direction.

My next question would be how it would work.  How long would it take to penetrate 12" of flesh?  Would it take too long to be worth it?
4/11/2008 8:35:35 PM EDT
[#7]
What about that one laser pen that can melt crap?
4/11/2008 8:42:32 PM EDT
[#8]
It takes a certain amount of power to do a given amount of damage. Right now, tactical lasers that can mount on a vehicle are nearing (more likely passing) 10 kilowatts. It would probably take upwards of 20 seconds for that to bore through 12 inches of flesh. Are you gonna stand still for that? Blinding, on the other hand, is easy (even though it's "against the rules").

The amount of power needed to punch right through a human body (like in the movies) is probably in the megawatts. And that's not going to be a portable system anytime in the foreseeable future.

4/11/2008 8:44:25 PM EDT
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Australia's planning to ban laser pointers now. Apparently they're considered weapons now just because a bunch of morons pointed them at planes.
4/11/2008 8:47:47 PM EDT
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It takes a certain amount of power to do a given amount of damage. Right now, tactical lasers that can mount on a vehicle are nearing (more likely passing) 10 kilowatts. It would probably take upwards of 20 seconds for that to bore through 12 inches of flesh. Are you gonna stand still for that? Blinding, on the other hand, is easy (even though it's "against the rules").

The amount of power needed to punch right through a human body (like in the movies) is probably in the megawatts. And that's not going to be a portable system anytime in the foreseeable future.



So, it would all be fairly achievable if we only had a magic tiny super power supply?
4/11/2008 8:48:56 PM EDT
[#11]

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It takes a certain amount of power to do a given amount of damage. Right now, tactical lasers that can mount on a vehicle are nearing (more likely passing) 10 kilowatts. It would probably take upwards of 20 seconds for that to bore through 12 inches of flesh. Are you gonna stand still for that? Blinding, on the other hand, is easy (even though it's "against the rules").

The amount of power needed to punch right through a human body (like in the movies) is probably in the megawatts. And that's not going to be a portable system anytime in the foreseeable future.



So, it would all be fairly achievable if we only had a magic tiny super power supply?

Maybe we can acquire a mini zpm and harness the power of sub space.
4/11/2008 8:50:11 PM EDT
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Australia's planning to ban laser pointers now. Apparently they're considered weapons now just because a bunch of morons pointed them at planes.
The Aussies are gonna ban something else? Shocking
4/11/2008 8:51:09 PM EDT
[#13]

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Yes, I was watching Star Trek.  

Anyway, I don't know much about lasers.  What are the real problems with handheld or at least rifle sized laser weapons?

Anyone a laser expert here?




Just like Star Wars they were probably Plasma not lasers.  
4/11/2008 8:52:42 PM EDT
[#14]
Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.
4/11/2008 8:55:48 PM EDT
[#15]

No need for the tard face. I said I don't know anything about them. I was asking to find out this stuff.


Sorry, I didn't mean it that way.

As a side note, just as a simple computer equal to a wrist watch today would have taken up a large room back in the day, the tech will improve and the military will be the first to use it.  

The main issue is power input vs. power output.  You can't change the laws of physics, so at the most optimal configuration you could get most of the applied power as output, so how it is focused and directed at a target would be the key.  
4/11/2008 8:57:13 PM EDT
[#16]
Well, I do have a 200mW laser en route, capable of instantly blinding someone, and burning paper/plastic, etc.
4/11/2008 9:01:00 PM EDT
[#17]
I helped some friends build a 100W CO2 laser way back in '91. Burning stuff with invisible energy is hella-cool.
4/11/2008 9:01:55 PM EDT
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Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.



You would need a gas cartridge and an insane battery.  Not much gas would be required to make a small plasma projectile.  The problem comes with the power the battery would need to charge that gas and how do you make the porjectile stay together long enough to kill a distant target.

They know how to make plasma, they know what gases would work best in a plasma weapon but the other components cannot be overcome with current tech.
4/11/2008 9:03:22 PM EDT
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Well, I do have a 200mW laser en route, capable of instantly blinding someone, and burning paper/plastic, etc.



Using it to burn a hole through a tank is a bit more of a challenge, as is making said AT weapon man portable.
4/11/2008 9:06:38 PM EDT
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Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.



You would need a gas cartridge and an insane battery.  Not much gas would be required to make a small plasma projectile.  The problem comes with the power the battery would need to charge that gas and how do you make the porjectile stay together long enough to kill a distant target.

They know how to make plasma, they know what gases would work best in a plasma weapon but the other components cannot be overcome with current tech.

They are just beginning to learn how to make self-stabilized plasmas that remain cohesive in atmosphere. And such plasmas have lower energy delivery than a decent laser (they are not being developed as offensive weapons - yet). And lasers offer the chance to fine-tune the delivered power in a wavelength the target will absorb. Especially the free electron laser.
4/11/2008 9:07:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Lack of power is THE issue.

After that - size becomes the issue.  Then cooling.
4/11/2008 9:10:43 PM EDT
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Lack of power is THE issue.

After that - size becomes the issue.  Then cooling.

Not so much total power as the size/weight ratios of the system for a given power level.
4/11/2008 9:11:42 PM EDT
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Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.


Heat is another problem.

Plus all laser weapons would accomplish would be severe burning on the single point.  If the beam were spread out maybe 1 MOA that would probably be enough to incapacitate someone, and it won't be pretty.

Electromagnetically launched projectiles will be/are the next step.
4/11/2008 9:20:04 PM EDT
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Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.


Heat is another problem.

Plus all laser weapons would accomplish would be severe burning on the single point.  If the beam were spread out maybe 1 MOA that would probably be enough to incapacitate someone, and it won't be pretty.

Electromagnetically launched projectiles will be/are the next step.



Slight problem, RECOIL!  Man portability is another.
4/11/2008 9:22:21 PM EDT
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Well, I do have a 200mW laser en route, capable of instantly blinding someone, and burning paper/plastic, etc.



Using it to burn a hole through a tank is a bit more of a challenge, as is making said AT weapon man portable.


Lol que?  I didn't read the OP.
4/11/2008 9:26:32 PM EDT
[#26]

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Even if you have the magical power supply, it takes a certain amount of physical material to produce the beam, and the system has to do something with the heat that results from the process.


Heat is another problem.

Plus all laser weapons would accomplish would be severe burning on the single point.  If the beam were spread out maybe 1 MOA that would probably be enough to incapacitate someone, and it won't be pretty.

Electromagnetically launched projectiles will be/are the next step.



Slight problem, RECOIL!  Man portability is another.


Recoil is barely the same issue as it is with current weapons.  Reports of heavy recoil is from extremely large and heavy projectiles.  And if there were a power source small and powerful enough to use powerful lasers with, it would be a better move to use use that power source in em-weapons.
4/11/2008 10:05:33 PM EDT
[#27]
There are things coming out in the next few years that might make "old style" weapons (like gravity explosive bombs) obsolete.
4/11/2008 10:08:58 PM EDT
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There are things coming out in the next few years that might make "old style" weapons (like gravity explosive bombs) obsolete.


Halliburton's Hunger Ray.
4/11/2008 10:09:44 PM EDT
[#29]
I've heard that some company is experimenting with putting laser weapons on some ground vehicles.
4/12/2008 4:16:34 AM EDT
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I've heard that some company is experimenting with putting laser weapons on some ground vehicles.

Already deployed in Israel.