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3/16/2008 12:00:58 AM EDT
Do you feel file sharing falls under communism or thievery, and the government should stop it by full extent of the law, or do you believe it isn't the government's business to step in and is the right of privacy to share files over the internet, or is a problem that businesses alone should use measures to stop?
3/16/2008 12:03:22 AM EDT
[#1]
Its copyright infringement, not theft.
3/16/2008 3:04:43 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Do you feel file sharing falls under communism or thievery, and the government should stop it by full extent of the law, or do you believe it isn't the government's business to step in and is the right of privacy to share files over the internet, or is a problem that businesses alone should use measures to stop?

It's a problem that in practical terms probably can't be stopped, and concerned businesses would be wise to just accept it and move along.

If you want an example of acting realistically, then you can look at porno web sites. -Of course, you can look at them anyway, but in this case you can actually claim to have some high-minded reason.

When porno sites first got online, they tried lots of different way s to prevent people from copying the still photos they showed online. Some of these were pretty simple (using Javascript to disable right-clicking) and other ways were pretty complex (using a downloadable plugin to view scrambled images clearly). And sooner or later (generally pretty soon) every one of these types of protection was broken. Sometimes protections that took months to develop were broken literally within HOURS. So what all the porno sites did was, they went to the government and asked for vicious excessive criminal penalties for anyone caug-
-NO-
they didn't do that.
What they concluded was that there was no practical way to prevent people from copying what they were publishing online, and that they would simply have to produce a constant stream of new quality material. And that's what they do.

The most that they do is print their website name on the image somewhere, because they assume that if you really like a picture, you will go to the site and look for more like it. But you see--you can go to most porn sites now and right-click-save every photo on their entire site, some even let you use site-ripping utilities, that copy off EVERYTHING on the site with just a couple mouse clicks. They come out with new stuff all the time and if you want to see it ASAP, you have to pay for the membership.

According to what the RIAA and MPAA claim as "damages", there shouldn't be any more porn sites online; they should have all gone broke and failed years ago from people being able to freely copy and distribute their content.
~

3/16/2008 3:16:14 AM EDT
[#3]
It's theft, it's wrong, and I just can't help myself.
3/16/2008 3:23:25 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Do you feel file sharing falls under communism or thievery, and the government should stop it by full extent of the law, or do you believe it isn't the government's business to step in and is the right of privacy to share files over the internet, or is a problem that businesses alone should use measures to stop?

It's a problem that in practical terms probably can't be stopped, and concerned businesses would be wise to just accept it and move along.

If you want an example of acting realistically, then you can look at porno web sites. -Of course, you can look at them anyway, but in this case you can actually claim to have some high-minded reason.

When porno sites first got online, they tried lots of different way s to prevent people from copying the still photos they showed online. Some of these were pretty simple (using Javascript to disable right-clicking) and other ways were pretty complex (using a downloadable plugin to view scrambled images clearly). And sooner or later (generally pretty soon) every one of these types of protection was broken. Sometimes protections that took months to develop were broken literally within HOURS. So what all the porno sites did was, they went to the government and asked for vicious excessive criminal penalties for anyone caug-
-NO-
they didn't do that.
What they concluded was that there was no practical way to prevent people from copying what they were publishing online, and that they would simply have to produce a constant stream of new quality material. And that's what they do.

The most that they do is print their website name on the image somewhere, because they assume that if you really like a picture, you will go to the site and look for more like it. But you see--you can go to most porn sites now and right-click-save every photo on their entire site, some even let you use site-ripping utilities, that copy off EVERYTHING on the site with just a couple mouse clicks. They come out with new stuff all the time and if you want to see it ASAP, you have to pay for the membership.

According to what the RIAA and MPAA claim as "damages", there shouldn't be any more porn sites online; they should have all gone broke and failed years ago from people being able to freely copy and distribute their content.
~



That's a really good argument.
3/16/2008 4:00:27 AM EDT
[#5]
You guys will get a kick out of this.  

FYI, all the money the RIAA has collected from the lawsuits, not one penny of that has gone back to the artists.

*edit*

Source for my last statement.
slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/28/2123213&from=rss
3/16/2008 4:14:45 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Do you feel file sharing falls under communism or thievery, and the government should stop it by full extent of the law, or do you believe it isn't the government's business to step in and is the right of privacy to share files over the internet, or is a problem that businesses alone should use measures to stop?


One should distinguish between file sharing, a technology used for many perfectly legal purposes, and sharing copyrighted files, currently illegal under copyright laws.
3/16/2008 4:22:02 AM EDT
[#7]
Yeah, it is probably stealing, ie the artist is not getting their due royalties but....

the RIAA are a bunch of sharks and asshats simply looking for a buck!

From what I have read, according to the RIAA, you are not even allowed to make a copy of a cd you purchased for you own use, say as a backup to the original!  That's  bs!
3/16/2008 4:40:45 AM EDT
[#8]
i stopped when they started sueing (sp)  college students several years ago.


now i just use bittorrent on my linux box and download distro's of linux.   thats all the file sharing i do  anymore

if you are taking something and NOT paying for it....  hmm  
3/16/2008 4:44:40 AM EDT
[#9]
The thing is even with programs like Itunes or legalsounds, it's a LOT cheaper to buy(for those of us that buy, I won't disclose whether I do or not) individual songs or CD's than to buy them in the store.

I'd rather obtain a bunch of songs that I want from an artist online instead of going to Walmart, and buying the CD with songs I don't want.
3/16/2008 5:07:31 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
It's theft, it's wrong, and I just can't help myself.


I know, I feel the same way about mugging.  
3/16/2008 5:33:54 AM EDT
[#11]
I don't download copyrighted stuff simply because I need to keep my nose clean for work.  I think the moral question of whether it's stealing is simple:

If you would be willing to pay for the music but don't, it's stealing because you deprive the artist of income.

If you're simply not willing to pay for music, it's not stealing because the artist doesn't get paid either way.  You deprive them of nothing.

It's really a question you have to ask yourself honestly any time you download a copyrighted work:  "If I couldn't download this for free, would I be willing to buy it?"
3/16/2008 5:43:31 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
It's theft, it's wrong, and I just can't help myself.


+1
3/16/2008 5:52:06 AM EDT
[#13]
I only use filesharing for ROIO's (recordings of independent origin). Also called "bootlegs."

I've really come to appreciate live music since discovering this.

Oh, and Dreamcast games! Awesome system, may live forever!
3/16/2008 6:41:48 AM EDT
[#14]
"Intellectual Property" is an abomination of property rights theory, its nothing less than the state extending privilege to corporations.
3/16/2008 10:46:57 AM EDT
[#15]
Check this out......the 20 biggest mistakes of the record industry.  Guess what number 1 is.

blender.com/articles/default.aspx?key=18696&pg=0
3/16/2008 10:57:11 AM EDT
[#16]
Today Youtube exists because "they" realize the mistake, but unforutnately the genie has been uncorked and there is no way to put him back in the case of Napster.


Quoted:
Check this out......the 20 biggest mistakes of the record industry.  Guess what number 1 is.

blender.com/articles/default.aspx?key=18696&pg=0


THE BIGGEST RECORD-COMPANY SCREWUP OF ALL TIME
#1 Major labels squash Napster
Shawn Fanning’s file-sharing service attracted tens of millions of users, but instead of trying to find a way to capitalize on it, the Recording Industry Association of America rejected Napster’s billion-dollar settlement offer and sued it out of existence in 2001. Napster’s users didn’t just disappear. They scattered to hundreds of alternative systems—and new technology has stayed three steps ahead of the music business ever since. The labels’ campaign to stop their music from being acquired for free across the Internet has been like trying to cork a hurricane—upward of a billion files are swapped every month on peer-to-peer networks. Since Napster closed, “there’s been no decline in the rate of online piracy,” says Eric Garland of media analysts BigChampagne, who logged users of son-of-Napster peer-to-peer networks more than doubling between 2002 and 2007. And that figure doubles again if you count BitTorrent.
Unintended consequence Your grandmother deciding to trade up from that dial-up connection
3/16/2008 3:20:42 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:


If you're simply not willing to pay for music, it's not stealing because the artist doesn't get paid either way.  You deprive them of nothing.

That's me.  I am NOT willing to pay for CD's with songs I don't want.  I'm not willing to pay $18 for a CD.
3/16/2008 3:25:41 PM EDT
[#18]
shit is illegal. 'Nuff said.

stealing.
3/16/2008 3:30:51 PM EDT
[#19]
Where is the loss in the download of a digital copy?  

There is none, there is exposure though, which is uch more valuable than even a CD copy.  If I like a band, I will definitely look them up on itunes and buy more of their work.  If I find them to be not my thing, I can  safely delete their  files and no one, not me, nor the artist are out a thing.  Well, other than my tie.  But it is a labor of love, after all.
3/16/2008 3:34:15 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Where is the loss in the download of a digital copy?  

There is none, there is exposure though, which is uch more valuable than even a CD copy.  If I like a band, I will definitely look them up on itunes and buy more of their work.  If I find them to be not my thing, I can  safely delete their  files and no one, not me, nor the artist are out a thing.  Well, other than my tie.  But it is a labor of love, after all.

There isn't one, and in fact, someone "illegally" downloading a song or game, is having a chance at listening to or playing a future purchase. I believe this type of distribution and leaking is working to the advantage those companies, and the more people who claim it is theft, the more they can use the law to their advantage and creep further into our privacy.
3/16/2008 3:36:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Question - Assuming that when I was in college I bought 100 cd's of all the greatest bands of the time and my roomate stole them from me.  Is it copyright infringement to go and down load all of those songs again without paying AGAIN?  I mean the artists already got their $$ from me.