[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Assault Rifles (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/13/2008 11:19:41 AM EDT
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I find it disturbing how often the media refers to semiautomatic rifles as "Assault Rifles." Isn't an Assault Rifle by definition a selective fire weapon? I feel it is also misleading when they refer to them as military type weapons, because if they were the military type again they would be selective fire. I like calling them SURs -- Sport Utility Rifles. Sometimes when I am with fellow gun people I call them EBRs(evil black rifles) just to be funny. What do you all call them? |
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The United States Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency book Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide, explains that “assault rifles” are “short, compact, select fire weapons, that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between a submachine gun and rifle cartridges.” See Defense Intelligence Agency, Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide - Eurasian Communist Countries 105 (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1988). Assault Rifles were restricted by law (1934 nfa) before they were even invented. |
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Assault rifles means it's a rifle that assaults people. My rifles don't assault people. For clarity, I don't assault people with my rifles either. Therefore, nothing I own is classified as an "assault rifle". Were I to use one of them to defend myself or my loved ones, it would thereby become known as a "defense rifle"......... locked in a room somewhere I'm sure. Assault is used as a descriptor of Rifle just to provide negative conotation to the ignorant. ->ETA: by the media that is. |
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Today's media has no real interest in accuracy, thier only interest is their political and social agendas. Recently one of them called a 9mm Hipoint carbine an assault rifle. They also make no distinctions between real guns and airsoft toys. And just like in the CavArms raid, they try to convince that by simply owning more than a few guns you're doing something wrong. "OMG, look at all those guns, he must be doing something illegal". The media has gone from reporting the news, to generating false impressions. They truly are parasites. |
This an issue that I have always had with this site. People saying "oh, the definition of an assault rifle is a select fire weapon that uses an intermediate cartridige" like a bunch of mealy mouthed mamby pamby propaganda artists. The actual answer to your question is a question. Who's definition? If you use the US Army's definition then yes, an assault rifle is a select fire long gun that uses an intermediate cartridge. If you use the United States Code's definition then an assault rifle is a semi-automatic that rifle that takes a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following; a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a flash hider, a threaded barrel, a muzzle break, a bayonet lug or a grenade launcher. Both are definitions created by the Federal Government and both are just as valid as the other. Yes, an AR-15 is an assault rifle and it was primarily designed for killing. So what? Killing is not automatically unlawful or immoral. Sometimes killing is absolutely necessary, completely justified and entirely moral. If killing needs to be done then it is wise to have the best tool for the job. |
The only things you have pointed out to me is that the government isn't consistent (imagine that) and the label "assault rifle" is inaccurate. Assault = offensive move Defend = defensive move By definition of lawful ownership, weapons are not used in assaults. So a more accurate label would be "Defense rifle". Sure they are used in crimes, but do you label it based on its extreme minority use or is lawful intent? If you go with lawful intent, then it's actually a "Defense Target Hunting Rifle". |
+10 Couldn't have said it better. |
I guess that's right.... it was originally designed for war. But it can still be argued that it be called a "Defense Rifle" instead of "Assault Rifle". And I still think the media calls it "Assault" for its negative sensationalization. |
Check out Webster's definition of an assault rifle:
Added in 1972.  I guess you'd like to correct the dictionary as well? |
Of course they do. That's because the media for the last 50 years has been working with the left in this country to help reshape the values of this country. |
This is from Wikipedia: (The origin of the word is attributed to Hitler in several sources and I've heard / read the same story in books and on the Military / History Channel)
Pretty good definition I think... |
an assault by definition is "a crime of violence against another person" okay? So a weapon is something to assault somebody with right? Isn't every weapon an assault weapon? Something couldn't be considered a weapon if you couldn't assault somebody with it. My hands are a assault weapon. Anything that you can pick up and throw is an assault weapon. There isn't a rifle that isn't an assault by definition. WTF is wrong with politicians? if there is another AWB, why not just ban everything? knifes, fists, feet, hell even cars, everything in existence could be called a assault weapon. God, this pisses me off 
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From websters Clip: 2: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm Just cause they are the dictionary doesn't make them right. I prefer the military definition, I think your right though, it does depend on whos definition you use. |
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While conducting its review as directed by the President the BATFE determined that weapons were guns usually based on military design and had a preponderance of military characteristics. See Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Report and Recommendation of the ATF Working Group on the Importability of Certain Semiautomatic Rifles (1989). The most important features the BATFE found distinguishes these semi-auto civilian assault rifles from other semi-auto rifles are the ability to accept: 1. Large Capacity Magazines; 2. Bayonets; 3. Grenade Launchers; 4. Threaded Barrels; 5. Pistol Grips; 6. Folding Stocks; 7. Night Sights; 8. Bipods. President Clinton twice expanded the import ban by in 1993 adding assault pistols, and again in 1994 when he prohibited all Chinese made weapons from entering the United States. |
It touches my nerve as well. Hell, Cars kill more people than firearms, right? |
Britannica defines an assault rifle, and then states that assault rifles include guns which are modified to not match their definition of assault rifle.
http://www.britannica.com/bps/topic/39165/assault-rifle#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked%3E%2Fbps%2Ftopic%2F39165%2Fassault-rifle&title=assault%20rifle%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia |
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These rifles don't require a special name they are semi-automatic rifles. The differences between rifles designated as assault rifles and those that are viewed as simply semi-automatic rifles was displayed by the 1994 AWB to be a total joke. Only when you are talking about a select-fire firearm is there a true difference between a semi-automatic rifle and an assault rifle. This is why the military includes in its definition of assault rifles the words "select-fire." Any suggestion otherwise is foolish and based on unsound logic. |
See... there it is.... unsound logic. The left wing media has that as their second middle name........ Left Wing UnsoundLogic Media. It's official, it's on their birth certificate. |
It's all about passion and what is politically expedient for them. That's why they find themselves unable to even carry out a Presidential Primary this year. |
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The US Army's definition came first, and was the accepted use of the term. Their term originated from the "sturm gehwer", which as you know, was one of the first, or the first, intermediate caliber select-fire rifles that saw wide use. Then came the vagina-bleeding liberal's calling semi-auto's "Assault Rifles", screaming that we need to ban them all over the tv, all the while a video of a full-auto being fired is being played in the background. The only reason that semi-auto's are referred to as "assault weapons" in any code or law in this country, is because the liberals succeeded in decieving the public about our semi-auto's with their propoganda. Yes, now days most people refer to semi-auto rifles that look "scary" as "Assault Rifles", only because the liberals succeeded in changing definitions and using the connotations of their propoganda to put false impressions in the back of people's mind's. Before that, an "Assault Rifle" always referred to the select-fire version's of our semi-autos. In conclusion, gun-grabbing liberals can go to hell, and I will NOT EVER be an unwitting participant in the spread of bullshit propoganda by using the term "Assault Rifle" to refer to our semi-autos. That terminology WAS NEVER USED to refer to semi-autos prior to the beginning of the push by the socialists for the AWB. |
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Preach it. It's amazing how buzzwords have replaced rational thought in so many ways, and almost always to the detriment of freedom and logic. |