Posted: 3/5/2008 7:52:01 PM EDT
... bug off  Tonight's episode (I don't know if it's a rerun or not) was intriguing. Regardless of the host's annoying "whisper voice" monologue, I thought it was a neat opportunity for some great AR15 porn screenplay Anyone else watch this instead of FOXNews or American Idol? Actually, I'm somewhat quite amazed, in this day-&-age that there's even a show like this showcasing EBRs - I liked it! _________________________________________________________________________________\ Futureweapons Next Episode: Firepower Wed, Mar 5, 9:00 PM Run Time: 60 min. Genre: Documentary TV-PG A device can tear apart terrorist bombs; a new weapon helps troops avoid being ambushed; the latest surface-to-air missile. |
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SAW is 5.56. However, it can feed from a belt. I suppose that open bolt M16 wouldn't be bad with a BETA C, but not sure if they are up for combat. I respect the host, because he is a SEAL, but someone could really give him some tips about speaking. The over dramatic whisper has to go. |
| I've noticed the show is getting better. But I don't understand, and maybe one of our .mil or ex .mil members can explain it to me, how a weapon with a 30 round mag can lay down the volume of fire that a weapon with a 200 round belt can. Seems to me like having to stop to swap mags will cut down the volume of fire, and give the enemy a chance to raise his head and shoot back. |
He was probably comparing cyclic rate of fire. ~Dg84 |
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Gotta love the stupid shit editors putting the ultra cool movie sound suppressor over lay on the M110 every time it fired. Sounded like a kid with a spit gun and the timing on it was different every time they overlayed it. God I wish they wouldn't gear that show for the fuckin dim witted Oprah watching idiot who needs to be entertained by a show before they can accept any information being fed to them. Was laughing when I saw the steel hangers down range, said to myself "hmmm, looks about 200 yards" and then Mack whispers to the audience, "I'm here to shoot these targets, the distance? A whopping 220 yards". [drooling idiot audience]ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!![/drooling idiot audience] [average 3 gun competitor]ROTFLMAO! GOLLY GEE! That sure is a long ways away Andy![/average 3 gun competitor] |
Thanks! So another stupid question. The SAW is different from the M60? 
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Open bolt M16s have been done before. M261 port firing weapons as well as the Colt M16 LMG. Not sure what this thing brings to the table other than it appears to maybe have an AR18/piston type action. |
... Well, maybe you're better off sticking with something not as painful to you - such as Wiil & Grace
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Yup, I agree with you. Some poeple bitch no matter what. perhaps its better to have an over technical show that will blow over 99% of the viewing audiences head. That will make a show successful.  Like I said some people really talk some dumb crap on forums sometimes, and they have the balls to shit talk gun shows. Yay! |
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I do watch the show occasionally (why do I feel like a seminar caller?), but I have two problems with it, and its overly enthusiastic host. First, and this is pretty minor, he carries on like he's laying down some sort of secret primal truth, as if none of the audience has ever been in the military, or knows anything about guns. Of course, that's probably not a bad assumption these days. Second, and more importantly, he's a shill for every company trying to get hold of the DOD teat. No matter what he's pushing, it's the secret-weapon-magic-pill-super-gadget. I've never seen him so much as question anything he's ever had on the show. I suspect he, or more likely, whoever's behind the show, is getting heavily subsidized by whoever's pitching this week's widget to the military. Several of the products he's touted are retreads long since passed over; others have obvious flaws that go by without comment. On top of that, he's awfully gushy and amateurish for someone who's supposed to be a former SEAL or whatever. Sorry, but I just don't get an operator vibe from that guy. I enjoy the gun porn for what it's worth, but I think the show is aimed at two main audiences: any people watching who might be in a position to suggest acquisition by the military, and a certain type of geeky 13-year-old in camos and/or black t-shirts. |
I watched part of one episode, and that was enough. The host held up a round, called it a .308, and said it was the standard round of the AK-47. It did look like a .308. I can understand a military guy getting his nomenclature wrong, but how screwed up do you have to be to hold up a .308 next to a .223 and still think the .308 is what the AK uses? |
Look, I hate what these once great channels are becoming. Used to be you could watch something that was geared towards being educational first and entertaining second. I like watching things like Nova, National Geographic Explorer, and it used to be the History Channel and Discovery Channel didn't have all of these absolutely retarded shows about ghosts and paranormal activity along with gay assed home decorating shows. This is just one more example of the dumbing down of the viewing audience combined with the fact that the show is nothing more than an hour long advertisement. Model_One pretty much nailed it, so what is better the HK 416 or the Barrett 468? And if he were to have the two in proximity of eachother on the same show would it cause a paradox that collapsed the universe inward on itself? Better yet would his head spin around and steam come out his ears as he tried to declare both to be the best firearm on the planet? Mack's obviously turned himself into a prostitute of sorts to go around saying each week "golly, this is the best gun there ever was" and over extend/exaggerate every damned thing making guns seem even more mythical than even the Violence Policy Center and Brady bunch could ever dream to do. One week it's the Barrett 50BMG, next week the AI50, oh no wait it's gotta be the new Barrett 416, no screw that it's the CheyTac M200. The show is a mess being geared towards an audience of idiots. Maybe it's not Mack's fault at all with respect to how his show eventually winds up getting edited into. Catering to the idiotic masses though, wow something to be proud of. No disrespect to him for his professional past or his service to the country, he has my respect and thanks for that. But his show is a joke. |
This is from the discovery channel biography of him:
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M60 is 7.62x51, it's also old and I think it's been replaced with the GP240(I think that's the designation) which is also 7.62x51 |
like i said people like you love to kill tv gun shows with unimportant details. How many viewers could catch the error you saw? I would venture less than 5% of the total viewing audience could. Shows like future weapons might not be uber cool for you but overall they help expand the gun culture. I fix guns for a living. I guess I should treat every customer like an idiot because they dont know what I know. Everyone bow to my super gun knowledge. Has anyone proven the guys not a non active SEAL? If not its pretty shitty to say hes not. I would take it further to call anyone who does knock the host withous basis a spineless coward. Im sure hes worried about all the internet tough guys. |
I agree the show isnt perfect but what history show is? really? you can have an "Expert" do a tv show on the K98 and there will be 10 people who call themselves "experts" tear each other apart over whos the king of the K98 hill, and how there were all kinds of "obvious" errors. No one knows everything. Its for entertainment. |
If you fix guns for a living, and you made a mistake like the host did that time, I wouldn't call you an idiot. I'd hold a sign outside your shop saying "RUN! THIS GUY'S AN IDIOT!". Don't compare the host to the average citizen. The host, and the producers, want to present themselves as experts. Just as you do. I hold them to that.
I've never said anything of the sort, and I don't think I saw anyone else in this thread say it either. But let's be clear here. Just because you stand up and defend the record of a seal, and even capitalize it properly, doesn't mean that you're a tough guy either. In fact, given the distinctly non-record-related points we've all raised, I think it sounds more like you standing up and hoping a little of the seal status rubs off on you. |
This guy did imply he may not be a non active SEAL. and many other posters in other threads about Future Weapons have too. You just insulted him with the amateur comment too. What skills do you have to show up a SEAL? Perhaps someone will come along and crap talk R Lee soon too. I dont come off as an all knowing God either like many experts here do either. I can admit when im wrong. Im not kissing the Hosts rear because of his "operator" status. I will respect him for his service until proven otherwise. Its shitty to talk crap about someone who helps cause interest in modern military weapons. |
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Fair point. I agree, MO was out of line. And I apologize for my harping on you about your defense coming out of the blue. Obviously, you'd seen MO's line the first time around. Still, .308 the standard round of the AK? I'm sorry, but the guy's a motivational speaker, not an expert. If they wanted to undue that damage, it wouldn't be rocket science. Just put in even an oblique reference to it. Like, hold up a 7.62x39 for some reason, and say "[bold]THIS[/bold] is the standard round of the AK-47". We'd all know what's going on, and forgive the show. But as it is, it's just sleazy pandering. Any benefit to the gun community, in my eyes, is offset by the dangers in misinformation. I'd rather people don't know what goes in the AK, than think it's a .308 and that we're just armed with wimpy 5.56's. |
Mack and his silent ninja assassin super clandestine whisper voice and other over the top presentation tactics... I personally feel his behavior perpetuates more firearms myths and does nothing to actually educate the dimwitted viewing audience. I own a 50BMG rifle and resent the fact that his presentation almost sells it as the "mantle of the earth shattering uber gun" that the antis have tried to portray it as. Yeah, I've actually had to defend myself a bit based on things people have seen on on Future Weapons and taken for granted and I've had to suggest not all is as it seems. Personally I'd love for his show to disappear and be gone forever. I'm sick of shows catering to fucking morons, I don't care if somebody catches an error on the show, I care about all the idiots who lap up a lot of the shit as fact and then turn around to say "Oh, I saw that firearm on Future Weapons and nobody should ever be allowed to own such a firearm." I'm personally waiting for the VPC or Brady tards to get hold of some footage and start using it against us. I view him as doing more harm than good. |
I too apoligize. I wasnt intending on my post to seem like you were saying negative things. Sometimes quotes can make a comment seem like an attack. It wasnt my intention. Overall I can agree with your last post. For gun enthusiats like us errors on shows can be a killer. I dont watch much of the show either but it does cause interest. I get many young men and women that show up at my shop based on guns shows like future weapons, and video games as well. I would say a high percentage of new shooters parents didnt introduce them to firearms, tv shows, movies and games did. I do my best to help new shooters. I give free safety lessons. I do group shoots for newbies, and I spend countless hours at the counter talking away with customers who may be misinformed, but enthuastiac about guns anyway. I loose may hundreds of dollars a day chatting away with newbies (while guns arent getting fixed  ), but I would rather loose money and make gun ownership exciting for everyone I can.
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Even when uninformed people come to my gun shop I show them everything they can legally own. Most people are pleased to discover what they can possess. I spend alot of time correcting errors Movies and TV perpetuate. You may see these things as bad but they really arent. They create interest even if what they know isnt accurate they still are interested. I get many comments from novices that the Desert Eagle is the best handgun ever. I could be an ass and give them this look , but I dont. I tell them D.E. is a neat gun its not the end all of handguns. I will spend all day at the counter discussing guns even if they go own the road to buy a gun from the pawn shop. I would rather be the cool gunsmith than the know it all gunstore clerk that spews the unfounded poo from their pie hole.
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I too can spend all day talking to somebody about shooting and firearms. I don't have any motive or goals in mind and am simply in it to enjoy the conversation. I'm an enthusiast first and foremost and it extends to everything from the oldest black powder firearms to the most modern technology one can fathom. But I refuse to blow things out of proportion and try to layer on 3 inches of the honey baked ham glaze that Mack layers on everything that graces his show. The gunstore clerk spewing unfounded poo and Mack grate on my nerves about equally. The difference between the two is you can mute Mack, you can't mute the gun shop guy who won't shut up. |
This guy did imply he may not be a non active SEAL. and many other posters in other threads about Future Weapons have too. You just insulted him with the amateur comment too. What skills do you have to show up a SEAL? Perhaps someone will come along and crap talk R Lee soon too.
Excuse me, but "this guy" isn't "insulting a SEAL," but questioning whether the FutureWeapons spokesmodel IS a SEAL in the first place. Why am I out of line for questioning someone who has a cable show, claims to be a weapons expert, and who also claims to be a SEAL, without ever providing anything in the way of credentials? What if he isn't really a SEAL? Just because he claims to be one, doesn't mean that he is. Can anyone verify this guys history? Just because he claims the title, he gets a pass, and anyone who questions his bona fides is insulting the military? Sorry, but he sounds like a little too good to be true. When someone bases his credentials for the show on his military standing, that is called a vested interest. While this guy might be 100% the real deal, I'd think you guys would be a little more willing to question somebody like this, considering the number of military elite - wanabees out there. If he's the real deal, more power to him, but if not, he should burn. All I'm saying is that from his demeanor, the breathy hyperbole he heaps upon every gadget that comes along, and the indisputable fact that he often pitches weapons and gear that have long since been rejected by not only the military, but the market as well, that he does not come across as an experienced, tech-savvy individual. If you disagree, don't attack me for stating my opinion (and yes, I'm prior military), but state your case, with specific facts and details. |
M240B is the current 7.62 MG. However I believe certain spec-ops teams still use the M60E4, as it's a little lighter than the 240. |