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2/14/2008 8:55:32 PM EDT
What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  
2/14/2008 9:04:37 PM EDT
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Your hotlink doesn't work for me for some reason.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw
2/14/2008 9:09:36 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.
2/14/2008 9:10:35 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5
2/14/2008 9:11:51 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5


+1 on F-5
2/14/2008 9:12:14 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5


Two seats. Not one. Watch it again.  
2/14/2008 9:13:10 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5


Two seats. Not one. Watch it again.  

www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5.htm
F-5B was the two seater version.
2/14/2008 9:13:25 PM EDT
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The airplanes in the video were single seat F-5s.  Don't think that USAF ever operated F-5s in regular combat, but I recall that the VNAF were so-equipped.  It's been a while.
2/14/2008 9:15:40 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5


Two seats. Not one. Watch it again.  

www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5.htm


Yes. The F-5 has one seat. The ones in the Apocalypse now have two.

Go to 13:40, and count the seats.

2/14/2008 9:16:19 PM EDT
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What are the aircraft that do the napalm run during the helicopter assault on the village in Apocalypse now?

I want to say phantom II but after looking at some pics of them and the ones in the movie there seem to be some slight inconsistencies.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw

Scroll to 13:41.  


T-38's.

T38 is a trainer,
F-5


Two seats. Not one. Watch it again.  

www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5.htm


Yes. The F-5 has one seat. The ones in the Apocalypse now have two.


F-5B is a two seater.
2/14/2008 9:16:42 PM EDT
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in a movie... i wouldn't be surprised if they were T-38's.  the MiGs in Top Gun were T-38's
2/14/2008 9:18:40 PM EDT
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in a movie... i wouldn't be surprised if they were T-38's.  the MiGs in Top Gun were T-38's

In Red Dawn the Hinds were a Jolly Green with wood weapon pylons.

F-5 Freedom Fighter / Tiger
The development of the Northrop F-5 began in 1954 when a Northrop team toured Europe and Asia to examine the defense needs of NATO and SEATO countries. A 1955 company design study for a lightweight supersonic fighter that would be relatively inexpensive, easy to maintain, and capable of operating out of short runways. The Air Force did not initially look favorably upon the proposal, since it did not need for a lightweight fighter. However, it did need a new trainer to replace the Lockheed T-33, and in June of 1956 the Air Force announced that it was going to acquire the trainer version, the T-38 Talon.

On April 25, 1962, the Department of Defense announced that it had chosen the aircraft for its Military Assistance Program (MAP). America's NATO and SEATO allies would now be able to acquire a supersonic warplane of world-class quality at a reasonable cost. On August 9, 1962 the aircraft was given the official designation of F-5A Freedom Fighter. Optimized for the air-to-ground role, the F-5A had only a very limited air-to-air capability, and was not equipped with a fire-control radar. The F-5B was the two-seat version of the F-5A. It was generally similar to the single-seat F-5A but had two seats in tandem for dual fighter/trainer duties. Although all F-5A production was intended for MAP, in October 1965, the USAF "borrowed" 12 combat-ready F-5As from MAP supplies and sent them to Vietnem with the 4503rd Tactical Fighter Wing for operational service trials. This program was given the code name of *Skoshi Tiger" ("little" Tiger). and it was during this tour of duty that the F-5 picked up its Tiger nickname.


On November 20, 1970, the Northrop entry was declared the winner of the IFA (International Fighter Aircraft) to be the F-5A/B's successor. The emphasis was be on the air-superiority role for nations faced with threats from opponents operating late-generation MiG-21s. An order was placed for five development and 325 production aircraft. In January of 1971, it was reclassified as F-5E. The aircraft came to be known as *Tiger II*
The US Navy Fighter Weapons School (the so-called "Top Gun" school) at NAS Miramar acquired a total of ten F-5Es and three F-5Fs for dissimilar air combat training. Because of the F-5's characteristics, which were similar to the MiG-21, was used as 'agressor' aircraft, equipping the FWS and VF-126 at NAS Miramar, plus VF-43 at NAS Oceana. All three units later disposed of their Tiger IIs in favor of the General Dynamics F-16N. These Tiger IIs were passed on to VF-95 at NAS Key West and VFA-127 at NAS Fallon. During FY 1996, VFC-13 moved from NAS Miramar, CA, to NAS Fallon, NV, and transitioned from 12 F/A-18 to 25 F-5 aircraft. VFC-13's flight hour program will increase to offset the scheduled decommissioning of the two remaining Active Component adversary squadrons, VF-45 and VFA-127. This transition to the F-5 adversary aircraft will provide Active and Reserve Navy pilots with air-to-air combat training at significant savings to the taxpayer. Recent estimates show that the F-5 can be operated at one third of what it costs to operate an F/A-18
2/14/2008 9:21:28 PM EDT
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There a mix of single seats, and two seaters.
2/14/2008 9:24:04 PM EDT
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F-5B is a two seater.


Very nice.
Which is more likely to be seen in a movie?  A F-5B, or a T-38?

2/14/2008 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Same aircraft Pres Bush flew.  T-38/F-5s

Thought I saw a glimpse of F4's for about 1 second, didn't rewind to look, but for the napalm in the morning, T-38s borrowed from AF Boneyard, I'd guess.
2/14/2008 9:35:40 PM EDT
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The airplanes in the video were single seat F-5s.  Don't think that USAF ever operated F-5s in regular combat, but I recall that the VNAF were so-equipped.  It's been a while.


I just read the Wikipedia article on the F-5s in apocalypse now the F-5, the part about the ones in Apocalypse now is just a tidbit of trivia from it.  They were provided by the Philippine air force.  
2/14/2008 9:39:09 PM EDT
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The airplanes in the video were single seat F-5s.  Don't think that USAF ever operated F-5s in regular combat, but I recall that the VNAF were so-equipped.  It's been a while.


I just read the Wikipedia article on the F-5s in apocalypse now.  They were provided by the Philippine air force.  

Makes sense, its where most of the movie was shot.
2/14/2008 9:39:47 PM EDT
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F-5 for all of them, even the 2 seat one that you see a glimpse of.  They all have fuel tanks on the wing tips; T-38 do not carry tanks on the wing tips, F-5s do.

2/14/2008 9:40:57 PM EDT
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The airplanes in the video were single seat F-5s.  Don't think that USAF ever operated F-5s in regular combat, but I recall that the VNAF were so-equipped.  It's been a while.


I just read the Wikipedia article on the F-5s in apocalypse now.  They were provided by the Philippine air force.  


That is a possibility I did not consider. The Phillipines DID operate F-5B's.

2/14/2008 9:42:21 PM EDT
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F-5 for all of them, even the 2 seat one that you see a glimpse of.  They all have fuel tanks on the wing tips; T-38 do not carry tanks on the wing tips, F-5s do.

img177.imageshack.us/img177/6179/58500401ku4.jpg


What is funny, is that in your screenshot they all appear to be single seat  models.
2/14/2008 9:42:23 PM EDT
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in a movie... i wouldn't be surprised if they were T-38's.  the MiGs in Top Gun were T-38's


Nope, F-5s.

T-38s cannot carry missiles on the wing tips, F-5s can.

2/14/2008 9:46:04 PM EDT
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F-5 for all of them, even the 2 seat one that you see a glimpse of.  They all have fuel tanks on the wing tips; T-38 do not carry tanks on the wing tips, F-5s do.

img177.imageshack.us/img177/6179/58500401ku4.jpg


What is funny, is that in your screenshot they all appear to be single seat  models.


2/14/2008 9:47:53 PM EDT
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in a movie... i wouldn't be surprised if they were T-38's.  the MiGs in Top Gun were T-38's MiG 28s


2/14/2008 9:48:22 PM EDT
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F-5 for all of them, even the 2 seat one that you see a glimpse of.  They all have fuel tanks on the wing tips; T-38 do not carry tanks on the wing tips, F-5s do.

img177.imageshack.us/img177/6179/58500401ku4.jpg


What is funny, is that in your screenshot they all appear to be single seat  models.


img184.imageshack.us/img184/3210/39722646td0.jpg


And now they have two seats!

I hate Hollywood.

I concede. Phillipines, tip tanks and two seats=F-5B.
2/14/2008 9:51:57 PM EDT
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The airplanes in the video were single seat F-5s.  Don't think that USAF ever operated F-5s in regular combat, but I recall that the VNAF were so-equipped.  It's been a while.


1960s -- Bomb-laden F-5 aircraft are shown here refueling from an KC-135 tanker before striking a Viet Cong position in South Vietnam.

www.af.mil/photos/index.asp?galleryID=163&page=1

2/14/2008 9:56:21 PM EDT
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The Hinds were actually modified Pumas, not HH3s.


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in a movie... i wouldn't be surprised if they were T-38's.  the MiGs in Top Gun were T-38's

In Red Dawn the Hinds were a Jolly Green with wood weapon pylons.
2/14/2008 9:58:44 PM EDT
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Same aircraft Pres Bush flew.  T-38/F-5s

Thought I saw a glimpse of F4's for about 1 second, didn't rewind to look, but for the napalm in the morning, T-38s borrowed from AF Boneyard, I'd guess.


Now President Bush most likely did fly T-38s when he was going through pilot training, but it was F-102s that he flown in the ANG.

F-102

2/14/2008 10:02:21 PM EDT
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Same aircraft Pres Bush flew.  T-38/F-5s

Thought I saw a glimpse of F4's for about 1 second, didn't rewind to look, but for the napalm in the morning, T-38s borrowed from AF Boneyard, I'd guess.


Now President Bush most likely did fly T-38s when he was going through pilot training, but it was F-102s that he flown in the ANG.

F-102

img184.imageshack.us/img184/9544/f10230061041customrb3.jpg


I always liked the way those, and the 106's looked.  Heard the 102's were kind of a pig though.