Posted: 2/14/2008 9:20:54 AM EDT
Need a reasoned response to this question:
Also, did Mccain vote for the AWB in 1994? |
No he did not. And he voted against its extension. |
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You want it in a nutshell, OK let us make it simple… McCain will be the Republican nominee, ain’t no changing that. Now you have a choice… keep bitching about McCain and accept the alternative which is Hillary or Obama or not. McCain with all his faults is light years better than Hillary or Obama. You pick. |
That's 100% correct and he has even spoken out against the AWB. However he did vote for an amendment to the first round of the gun manfuacture's protection bill that would close the "gun show loophole." I don't know if he threw that in there as a poison pill to the overall bill or what. The AWB renewal was also an amnedment to that bill and it passed. Both of which, including I'm sure some of Teddy Kennedy's BS amendments, killed that first bill. |
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Oh, and Obama, while probably not having a lot of his own ideas, will be easy to lead by his handlers towards any legislation that they deem important. This may very well include a new AWB, magazine capacity restrictions, and or re-interpritations of existing laws. Lets also not forget the "other" big name issues such as immigration, health care, social secuirty, defense. While McCain may not be our friend and leader on some of the issues I'd say he's with many of us on 80% of the issues whereas the Obama Nation is going to be 80% against us. |
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Doesn't anyone know how to use the Internet? I've posted THE FACTS on John McCain 10 times at least and you guys STILL insist that he is a damn commie. John McCain at www.ontheissues.org Abortion: # Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007) # Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007) # Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007) # Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006) # Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005) # Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004) # Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003) # Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000) # Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999) # Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998) # Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003) Gun Control: # Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999) # Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005) # Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004) # Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999) # Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999) # Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999) # Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998) Taxes: # Voted YES on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007) # Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007) # Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006) # Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006) # Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006) # Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006) # Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005) # Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003) # Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001) # Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001) # Voted YES on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000) # Voted YES on phasing out the estate tax ("death tax"). (Jul 2000) # Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999) # Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998) War on Terror/Defense: # Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007) # Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006) # Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005) # Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005) # Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003) # Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002) # Voted NO on allowing all necessary force in Kosovo. (May 1999) # Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999) # Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995) # Supports $48 billion in new spending for anti-terrorism. (Jan 2002) Yeah, John McCain is a real fucking leftist.  Stop with the bullshit already and educate yourselves. |
Did you make a claim that you can''t back up? |
What about the bill he co-sponsored with Lieberman? |
Thanks,that was actually quite helpful. Perhaps now I can still pull the "R" lever if I hold my nose tight enough. I don't suppose you have any similar stats on his record towards Illegal Immigration ? |
Needed no clarification at all. The non electable candidates are already pretty much off the table so he is the best game in town. |
What about it? |
We're supposed to jump ship and vote for the hard-left liberal because McCain isn't perfect, duh!
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McCain on Immigration: # No more ballot initiatives against immigration. (Mar 1999) # Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) # Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) # Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006) # Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006) # Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) # Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006) # Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998) # Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998) # Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997) # English immersion over bilingual education. (Jul 2001) # Rated 18% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006) It's not that great, but it's not horrible either. He supports building the border fence and he supports making English the official language. That alone puts him head and shoulders above Bush. |
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Remember, there is NO difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. Just ignore the fact that McCain has voted along Republican party lines 84% of the time while Clinton has voted along Dem party lines 96% of the time and Obama along Dem party lines 100% of the time. Ignore that McCain is anti earmarks and expensive social programs and Hillbama for them Ignore that McCain is pro live and Hillbama is pro choice. Ignore that McCain says he'll vote to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and Hillbama say they'll let them expire. Ignore that McCain was pro surge and Hillbama was dead set against it. Ignore that McCain voted against extending the AWB and Hillbama voted for it. So remember, there is NO difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. 
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Well, you can count me out for that! McCain is rated something like 80% conservative by the American Conservative Union (I looked at their website, but I can't find the URL). Obama and Hillary are rated like 3% for Obama nd 5% for Hillary. I'll take a 80% over 3% every time. |
I won't really be voting FOR McCain,as much as AGAINST Hillary and/or Obama.  My biggest problem with McCain is that he was in support of amnesty ,and then later he stated something to the effect that he heard the "voice of the people" on the issue. What the hell does that mean ? Is he going to reward an invasion force of 20,000,000 illegals with amnesty so they can bring another 20-30 million more of their families in ? You think we have problems now ? Wait till there's 50 million of Mexicos Finest here. Our best cities will look like freaken Beirut. If he were solidly aginst amnesty,I wouldn't be against the guy. |
People need to start realizing that the high-level Republicans (Senate or higher, and the national party officials) are for the most part going to be pro-amnesty. They WANT the hispanic vote, it is without doubt the new voting bloc being pandered to. The only way to stop it is going to be in the House, just like last time, IMO. |
bullshit. it's not over yet. the liberals want us to choose between a dem and mccain. Hilary want's it, barack wantrs it. huckabee is still in the race. we will be having a brokered convention. |
I am no fan of amnesty, but I can tell you first hand that what you are saying is nothing more than fear mongering. I happen to live in one of the cities that is most effected by illegal immigration. It looks nothing like Beirut. In fact, having been to most of the major cities in the country I can tell you that it is one of the nicer cities in the US IMHO. |
No we won't. Romney is expected to endorse McCain today and encourage his delegates to vote for McCain. That would put McCain 66 delegates shy of the nomination. |
At all.
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I knew this election was going to be bad. Early on I decided that there were some potential candidates that I simply couldn’t vote for on the Republican side no matter what the consequences… John McCain wasn’t on that list. The campaign finance thing was bad. His support of illegal immigration is atrocious. He tends to support a lot of the nitwit environmental regulations that I oppose. But McCain does love America (look what he sacrificed for this nation) and he’s going to do what he things is best for us as a nation. I may not agree with him, but I believe in his commitment to this country. John McCain will not take my guns. McCain isn’t going to make any radical Left turns during his administration. McCain won’t appoint radical leftists to the courts. I like and respect McCain even though I disagree with him on a lot of things. I can hold my nose and vote for him. He’s far preferable than the alternatives. |
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I will be voting McCain without reservation. (1) On his worst day he is far better than Obama or Satan Woman. (2) My son is .mil. McCain will support the military and a strong offense/defense against the ropers. (3) He is far, far better than either democrap on firearms. If one bothers to study the facts. (4) I threw one vote away on Perot and saw my gun rights and income suffer badly for 8 years under Clinton part 1. |
That's good ,it didn't happen to yours. I'm not saying when or where,but I moved back north from the Southern United States. As the illegals moved from town to town pushing wages down the crime rates went through the roof . When I moved to that small southern town ,the worst crime in a decade was some kid keying a few cars.People didn't even lock their doors. When I moved out ,burgleries,rapse,murders,muggings,drugs everywhere . Garbage thrown all over the place ,Spanish phrases spray painted everywhere, iron bars bolted over peoples windows,all the stores had posters up for people's missing children. You REALLY wouldn't believe the amount of missing children. I'll post no more on the subject ,so I don't get to close to any COC violations. I hope you never see what I have. If amnesty happens,you will . |
No we will not. Lemme guess, you're a Ron Paul supporter? If not, I apologize. They seem obsessed with this "brokered convention" delusion. |
I see just the opposite. I live in an area of houston where Hispanics have been displacing folks Katrina stuck us with after the Superdome was evacuated. Crime has gone down dramatically. The new residents hold jobs and are for the most part God fearing family folks who have stable nuclear families. The former LA folks just roamed the streets all day and night stealing, robbing and terrorizing the whole neighborhood, all the while bitching that they were "victims". |
Yep. |
Yeah, thats exactly what I was driving at.  Don't be a clown. Nobody likes clowns.I amy hold my nose and vote for him, but I'll be burying guns all the same if he wins. I don't trust that asshole one tiny little bit. |
Just remember that if Hillary or Obama wins, you'll be paying for a whole bunch of new entitlement programs for those illegals and absolutely nothing will be done to improve border security. |
Funny,.. What you describe happens in places like Milwaukee & Detroit... Where the 'criminal element' is mostly US citizens... Crime & Poverty are part of the 'big city' thing period.... 20-50 million 'extra' people in a nation of 300 million is NOT going to change much in either direction, much less make the US major cities like a 3rd-world country (well, except Detroit - but that's our own citizens doing the damage).... People don't commit crimes 'because they don't have a good paying job'... They commit crimes because they are criminals who have no respect for others or for society... Weather they could make $10/hr without mexicans, or $6/hr with makes no difference, if they can make $100/hr selling crack or stealing shit... |
And McCain of 94 is NOT the McCain of 08. He has progressively gotten more liberal. I have zero faith he won't throw any conservative issues under the bus. I am near postive he will fuck us on purpose to settle scores however. I am also positive that the electorate will also blame the Republican party for his failings as President thus electing Ds for the next 2 or 3 election cycles. |
+1, if you are going to vote R then McCain is going to be your choice. |