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2/13/2008 10:46:42 AM EDT
An open letter to the Moderators of Arfcom...

Thank you for taking the time to review my argument in defense of my avatar.  I hold to my affirmation that this avatar is not racist, nor anti-semitic and it is not my wish that it be viewed in that manner.  However, because my avatar is meant to represent the Scots-Irish people who helped shaped this Nation from it's inception, I will not dishonor their memory by removing the avatar.  

 Not limited to Arfcom, online forums have become a popular destination of the American people to discuss political and current events taking place in our daily lives.  And universally, internet forums are restricting our freedom of speech in a manner not consistent with the Constitution of the United States, but more in step with political correctness.  While these restrictions are not done intentionally as part of a "tinfoil-hat" type conspiracy", it is my opinion that these restrictions are conditioning the American public to accept such limitations to their liberties and as a result, will ultimately find their way into our daily lives outside of the internet forum.

I fully expect that my refusal to remove my avatar will result in my account being locked and I accept that decision.  

Sorry for the inconvenience,
Bryan

edit:   www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=673728&page=2
2/13/2008 10:47:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Well...bye.
2/13/2008 10:48:12 AM EDT
[#2]
I must have missed all the hubbub.
2/13/2008 10:48:46 AM EDT
[#3]
hmm...
2/13/2008 10:49:01 AM EDT
[#4]
whats wrong with your avatar?
2/13/2008 10:49:03 AM EDT
[#5]
I believe you've stated your case very professionaly but .......

IBTB
2/13/2008 10:49:06 AM EDT
[#6]
So what does the  red hand in the 6 pointed star mean?
2/13/2008 10:49:28 AM EDT
[#7]
I didn't take it as racist or anti Semitic?  I took it to be poking a jab at facists.

So long I guess Barney.  You ever get over to the Oregon Trail Shooting Range in Pocatello give me a ring.

-Ben
2/13/2008 10:49:38 AM EDT
[#8]
Who the hell could possibly be butt-hurt by your avatar?

WTF? Did I miss something? What in the world is offensive about that avatar? For Christ's sake, already.
2/13/2008 10:49:48 AM EDT
[#9]
So what is that hand in the middle for?
2/13/2008 10:49:57 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
whats wrong with your avatar?
2/13/2008 10:50:09 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I must have missed all the hubbub.


Ditto.
2/13/2008 10:50:37 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
So what does the  red hand in the 6 pointed star mean?


It's the image found on the flag of Ulster Ireland, Northern Ireland.  My avatar represent the Scot-Irish people of the American South.  
2/13/2008 10:50:37 AM EDT
[#13]
Im sure I missed all the commotion too.
2/13/2008 10:51:01 AM EDT
[#14]
Here lies a man of principle.
2/13/2008 10:51:08 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
So what is that hand in the middle for?


Just a thought, maybe it could be left to the Jew Crew for us to decide if his avatar is offensive (slashed because someone else might think it racist) anti semitic and should be removed?

-Ben
2/13/2008 10:51:24 AM EDT
[#16]
Yeah, I would curious to know what the issue happens to be....because if there is something racist about that avatar.

It went over my head.
2/13/2008 10:51:57 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So what is that hand in the middle for?


Just a thought, maybe it could be left to the Jew Crew for us to decide if his avatar is offensive and should be removed?

-Ben


But, to my understanding, his avatar has nothing to do with Judaism.
2/13/2008 10:52:20 AM EDT
[#18]
Nothing wrong with his avatar.


Quoted:
Who the hell could possibly be butt-hurt by your avatar?

WTF? Did I miss something? What in the world is offensive about that avatar? For Christ's sake, already.


There seems to be some nice power tripping going on lately.
2/13/2008 10:52:31 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Here lies a man of principle.


I dunno'.  I'm pretty convinced he's tellin' the truth.
2/13/2008 10:52:46 AM EDT
[#20]
WTF?

I see nothing wrong with your avatar
2/13/2008 10:52:58 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
So what is that hand in the middle for?


Just a thought, maybe it could be left to the Jew Crew for us to decide if his avatar is offensive and should be removed?

-Ben


But, to my understanding, his avatar has nothing to do with Judaism.



I edited my post.  I was only referring to the accusations that it was anti-semitic.

-Ben
2/13/2008 10:53:17 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong with your avatar?




What they said............
2/13/2008 10:53:47 AM EDT
[#23]
I don't see a problem with it.  Maybe I'm missing something.  

Bill3508
2/13/2008 10:54:20 AM EDT
[#24]
I'm Irish... something wrong with being Irish?  
2/13/2008 10:54:30 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Who the hell could possibly be butt-hurt by your avatar?

WTF? Did I miss something? What in the world is offensive about that avatar? For Christ's sake, already.


+1.  Now your avatar on the other hand is patently offensive.  I have written the moderators on a daily basis requesting that a fig leaf be placed over it.  
2/13/2008 10:54:41 AM EDT
[#26]
By the way, internet forums are not bound by the Constitution.

Thanks for playing though.
2/13/2008 10:54:47 AM EDT
[#27]
For crying out loud
2/13/2008 10:55:33 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I'm Irish... something wrong with being Irish?  


I am, too.  BLACK Irish, even.
2/13/2008 10:55:35 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Well...bye.


You are so cool!
2/13/2008 10:55:39 AM EDT
[#30]
What kind of person goes out of their way to look for things that offend them? There isn't a damn thing racist about that avatar, unless you desperately want it to be - particularly after a REALLY good explanation was offered, and it was.

Fucking victim mentality. Sack up, and quit letting 80x60 images on a damn forum get the better of you. This is some mickey mouse shit.
2/13/2008 10:56:02 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So what is that hand in the middle for?


Just a thought, maybe it could be left to the Jew Crew for us to decide if his avatar is offensive (slashed because someone else might think it racist) anti semitic and should be removed?

-Ben


Bad precedence.  Then we have to give every other group a veto power over someone's avatar.   Not that there is anything offensive about the OP's avatar.
2/13/2008 10:56:16 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
An open letter to the Moderators of Arfcom...

Thank you for taking the time to review my argument in defense of my avatar.  I hold to my affirmation that this avatar is not racist, nor anti-semitic and it is not my wish that it be viewed in that manner.  However, because my avatar is meant to represent the Scots-Irish people who helped shaped this Nation from it's inception, I will not dishonor their memory by removing the avatar.  

 Not limited to Arfcom, online forums have become a popular destination of the American people to discuss political and current events taking place in our daily lives.  And universally, internet forums are restricting our freedom of speech in a manner not consistent with the Constitution of the United States, but more in step with political correctness.  While these restrictions are not done intentionally as part of a "tinfoil-hat" type conspiracy", it is my opinion that these restrictions are conditioning the American public to accept such limitations to their liberties and as a result, will ultimately find their way into our daily lives outside of the internet forum.

I fully expect that my refusal to remove my avatar will result in my account being locked and I accept that decision.  

Sorry for the inconvenience,
Bryan

edit:   www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=673728&page=2


Did a mod actually direct you to change it or else? I don't see any indication of that in the thread you linked. If a mod didn't tell you to change it then you aren't going to get banned.
2/13/2008 10:56:21 AM EDT
[#33]
Well.......

I wish you luck and all if banned, but I hope it doesn't lead to that.



-K
2/13/2008 10:56:46 AM EDT
[#34]
i see no problem with your avatar


if you get banned over it, that's some bullshit there.
2/13/2008 10:57:11 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So what does the  red hand in the 6 pointed star mean?


It's the image found on the flag of Ulster Ireland, Northern Ireland.  My avatar represent the Scot-Irish people of the American South.  


Does the Ulster flag use a yellow 6-pointed star?  I only ask, since I have only seen the hand if Ulster in front of white stars before, and the yellow tends to make some people think of Nazi Germany.
2/13/2008 10:57:15 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
Yeah, I would curious to know what the issue happens to be....because if there is something racist about that avatar.

It went over my head.


I agree, there is nothing wrong with HIS avatar.



YOUR avatar, on the other hand, gives me nightmares.

2/13/2008 10:57:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Have you been told by mods/staff to change it?
2/13/2008 10:57:40 AM EDT
[#38]
What mod is requesting its removal?  

Bill3508
2/13/2008 10:57:46 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
whats wrong with your avatar?
2/13/2008 10:59:03 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well...bye.


You are so cool!



I know. I can hardly stand it.


The guy wants attention. If a mod tells him his avatar is offensive and he must change it, he has a handful of choices -- change it, appeal to a higher power, or leave. If he appeals all the way to EdSr, and and EdSr says the avatar goes, then he suddenly has two choices -- change it, or leave. And making an "I'm leaving now!" thread doesn't change that. I can't change it, and neither can you.

This thread serves no purpose but to garner attention. So I gave him some.
2/13/2008 10:59:10 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
i see no problem with your avatar


if you get banned over it, that's some bullshit there.

I have to agree.  
2/13/2008 10:59:14 AM EDT
[#42]
one person got their panties in a wad over the avatar... and you resign?

jeez, if only it were that easy to get rid all of the trolls on this site...

troll: you hate Liberty, why do you need guns, Obama rules, ur a racist
me: your avatar SUCKS FUCK YOU
troll: i quit.
2/13/2008 10:59:44 AM EDT
[#43]
OH BOY....
2/13/2008 10:59:45 AM EDT
[#44]
So a moderator asked you to change you avatar based on 1 person taking offense to it?  That's bullshit if thats the case.
2/13/2008 10:59:47 AM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
By the way, internet forums are not bound by the Constitution.


+1
2/13/2008 10:59:56 AM EDT
[#46]
Like it or not, the meaning behind symbols changes. I could throw a swastika up and claim I was Buddhist until the cows came home - unfortunately, that particular benign hieroglyph has been perverted into something else entirely.



2/13/2008 11:00:20 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So what does the  red hand in the 6 pointed star mean?


It's the image found on the flag of Ulster Ireland, Northern Ireland.  My avatar represent the Scot-Irish people of the American South.  


Your explanation was a good one and the symbolism is as you say it is, however, those ignorant of your intention could easily misinterpret it to mean something else and get sandy mangina's.

Perhaps you could put an explanation of it in your sig line so the mods don't get click-bombed over it?

Whatever the case, there is "freedom of speech" but not "freedom of speech without consequences", conduct yourself accordingly.

Maybe try something like this instead (if you qualify)?
2/13/2008 11:00:38 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
What mod is requesting its removal?  

Bill3508
None that I can see, or have heard.
2/13/2008 11:00:50 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
What mod is requesting its removal?  

Bill3508


I bet I can guess which one....
2/13/2008 11:00:52 AM EDT
[#50]
Well said.  No reason to ban anyone for that.

Not racist.

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