[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dear ARFCOM: Stop lying (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/7/2008 8:35:13 PM EDT
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There has been dozens and dozens of "Will you turn 'em in " polls in which a vast majority of voters said "no". Honestly, I think most of you who voted "no" are deluding yourselves, and I bet you WILL turn in your guns for the following reasons: 1) Family (most important) 2) Your job 3) Your criminal record (you are, after all, a "LAW-ABIDING" gun owner) You're not going to leave your children fatherless (or motherless, for a few people  ) over this, and you won't let them get involved in this situation in any way. This "revolucion" that both you and I fantasize about in GD isn't going to happen for the above three reasons.Unless if you hard-core "MOLON LABE" armchair commandos can convince me otherwise  ETA: I'm guilty of this too, although I am single and have no siblings or cousins that live in the United States. |
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Let's assume for a minute that you are completely correct. What is the purpose of this post? To out them? Wouldn't it be in our best interest that the alphabet soup people fear active defiance? I'm glad people all say they'd refuse, even if some of them are bullshitting. 
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1.) i do nto have any children, the rest of my family will do just fine 2.) my job is not that great 3.) who cares what record i have if i am not alive. Eve "are you like a crazy person?" V "im quite sure that is what they will tell you" |
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If my government decided to ban handguns - which I plan on owning - I'd have no choice but to hand them in, as the cops know exactly where they are. That said, I know of a few people who actually pulled the "boating accident" line on the cops - easier in the bush when you went to school with the copper, and know have a stash of highly illegal semi-automatic and pump action shotguns stashed in various places. |
| If guns are banned I will post my name and address along with pics of all my guns. I would not resist violently when they come for me. Its basically the whole Ghandi non-violent civil disobedience concept. How many million gun owners are there? There's no way in hell that they can arrest and detain that many of us. |
You know it!!! |
aha....ahahaha... Good one  You guys have a point. I don't know any of you. I'm making a (baseless) assumption probably. I'm just saying why I think you guys won't do it, and asking you to prove me wrong. This is hardly trolling. |
Do you think our founding fathers had anything less to fear? "Some" people have certain core values, character traits and beliefs that they will not compromise. What a shame that it seems so few people in this country have the will to honor them. Besides, my wife and kids would be really rich if was dead
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I too believe most people would turn them in. There has been no mass protest in action towards any other gun law that has been passed in this country- what makes people think the next one is going to be any different? Then you get into passive vs. physical resistance. Lots of people would just hide them most likely never to be shot again. There are many more unregistered machine guns in this country than there are registered ones. However people dont take them to the local public range and unload with them. They get kept hidden. There have been very few armed standoffs in regards to guns- Ruby Ridge being one. These are isolated incidents that the public did nothing but sit on their couch and watch on TV. The bottom line is you will see lines of gun owners turning their weapons in just like you saw in GB a few years ago. |
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No family, no current job and when I am employed it's at a fast food joint, and I don't particularly about a criminal record if some government ninja is stepping on my neck and point guns in my face so he can steal MY stuff. I'm not turning in anything. Fuck 'em. |
Isnt it illegal for someone to sell a gun to a Californian outside of California? I believe it has to do with the ATF ruling saying states have to follow other states rules. I believe the actual illegal part is Californians cant buy guns outside of California so therefore people cant sell guns to Cali's outside of California... |
While you're probably right to some extent, you have to realize no, that does not apply to everybody. Just because you can't fathom standing up outside of internet bravado does not mean others won't. My family can take care of themselves, and I love America too much to let it go quietly into the night for my own personal safety. If there was no such thing as people who think that way, then there would be no such thing as America. Conviction in basic principles didn't die after 1800. |
I've broken laws before. I have a family & freedom to lose. And, if there's a ban, I'll risk it again. I didn't follow the '94 ban, so I'll ignore the next one too. Who's lying? Not me bucko. |
It still happens. A lot. |
80-100 million That's just counting the legal gun owners. There're around 270 million legally owned firearms in the United States. Which is give or take 1/3 of all the firearms in the world. We have the highest per capita rate of gun ownership of any nation in the world. I (as I'm sure the OP) realize there is no way this could ever be sucessful. That doesn't mean we should flame the guy for posting a thread asking our honest opinion. I know this is impossible, you know it's impossible, and he knows it's impossible. He's simply asking a question. Ron Paul winning the Republican nomination is impossible, yet how many threads are there on that? |
When I was his age, I thought I knew everything too. Short of a dangerous job where you see the shit that humanity really is, up close, it's rare for someone to be different. Btw, none of us give a shit about convincing you of anything.
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speak for your self,
I'm curious. Unless you were building your own EBR's at home and slapping on bayonet lugs and flash hiders, just how exactly were you not in compliance with the AWB? |
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Do the math. 50 million gun owners? 300 million guns? Let's say you're the government-guy-in-charge of this "effort." Even if only a small fraction are not turned in... and even if only a small fraction decide to put up a fight, you've still got a very very VERY large problem on your hands. How long do you think your "raid teams" are going to hold up against even a million trained/armed gun owners with nothing to lose? If they organize, you're doubly screwed... imagine Mogadishu every time you try to raid somebody's house. You'd be talking about civil war... and nobody wants that. Not the government, and not the citizenry. Besides... who'd do the confiscating? Nobody I ever knew in the military would've participated in such an effort. Put my vote down as "never going to happen." |
You writing this down, detective?
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Up until a few years ago I was a California resident. I was denied several times at stores when I didnt realize I couldnt buy a gun in another state. Once I got Texas residency I was denied again because at the time I was stationed in Germany, and a store here said I couldnt buy a gun because I was stationed overseas and was a German citizen (  ). I even called the local ATF office about it because I was pissed and they said I could indeed buy a gun. Normally people in the military are considered a resident of the state they are stationed in but since I was stationed overseas I could still buy a gun in my homestate of record which I had changed to Texas prior to going on leave. I also had my DL switched to TX. |
Ban's over. I could walk right up to a cop or fed and gloat about how I violated it on a daily basis (not me personally; I was only eight when it started ) and they can't do a thing to me.
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Gun laws or bans don't eliminate guns; they only criminalize their possession. Having lived in New york City I can tell you true that there are literally millions of illegal guns (some say as many as 5,000,000); almost all of which are in the hands of street thugs, drug dealers, pimps and gang bangers. And a few decent shop keepers who fear for their lives from the aformentioned. They'll never turn them in. Never. |
is it me or is she not a hottie! WOW just WOW!! |
Yep. WE (The FFL I was working for) didn't sell to them but private sale were allowed at the Reno Hilton shows and the Californians showed-up with cash. |
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